Aaron: this is a known issue w/ PPro 1.5. In 1.0, 24p could be interpreted as 29.97 with no issues. However in 1.5, like you mentioned, regardless of project settings, it will always look for the 24p flag, and subsuquently there is no way to render the footage as 29.97.

There are a few known glitches with the 24p setting,s and i have encountered this one as well, being a DVX user. The other big issue is strobing, have you noticed any? Look at the dark areas of your letterboxed version and see if you see the blacks fluttering. You probably will. One way to get around this issue (or at least cut it off a little bit) is to apply the broadcast safe effect and set it to 100 IRE, helps a bit. Again, this isnt an issue when exporting to mpeg2 or anything else, just going back to tape from my experience and what i understand.

Now, regarding the audio issue, I also have experienced this, on multiple projects and on multiple computers. The probably may lie where you said, but the other probably solution to all this, which i will be trying on my next export, is to lower the audio gain for the entire track -3db or so. I suspect, based on when my glitches occur, that the full gain signal combined with 24p acting like you suggested could be the issue. So, given that letterboxing reduces the artifacting, that combined with a slightly lowered top ed on the audio may yield a suitable full res backup. When reimporting into an NLE, just boost the gain 3db. Its not a best case scenario, but it will have to work given Adobe's shoddy 24p implementation.

Take a look at adobes forums for a more in depth discussion about it - theyre fuming over there.

Adobe really needs to kick it up a notch if they intend to be a contender. Here is one person hoping that the macromedia acquisition will yield better end user interaction, and actually posting bug fixes instead of waiting for major releases (which is what adobe almost always does).

Yep. Here's an old thread about it:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=36753

and a link to a page on my personal web site where I fiddled with 24p problems a little:

http://www.geosynchrony.com/scratchpad.htm (scroll down the page a bit for the 24pA Anomaly paragraph)

One of these days I'll find some spare time and try to learn more about what's really going on. For now, those two links pretty much cover what I know about the subject, though.

jeff,

i just screened my production tonight in a local theatre and i didn't notice the strobing in the 4:3 letterboxed export...LUCKILY. i really do hope premiere releases a patch soon, cos i am liking it save for these glitches we've all been experiencing.

as for the audio glitches, the weird thing was that the audio artifacts were there even when i cleared the audio tracks! (with or without an audio track, the glitches were there and in the same places!)

in the meantime, it seems that i can keep the same workflow for my 24p projects, assuming i can use premiere 6.5 to re-render 29.97 and lose the 24p flags. we'll see...

aaron

if hes sweaty, so be it.. that was him AT THAT TIME.. youre being honest...

i think a bleach bypass would help, enriched balck and whites using a colour curve, with a cut in saturation would aleviate the warm look (mind u i havent seen the footage so i cant say) but apart from that, theres not much u can do.. .
I mena you might be able to get a soft focus filter happening, but thats so cheesy its quite sad..

Shaun,

If you are able to post a couple of good quality frame grabs or a short hi-rez video clip to a web site, it may help folks come up with an idea that might work for you.

I've got a problem with premiere pro 7.0 when viewing DV files (both inported or captured), they are displayed like a chequered flag ...
The same files don't have any problems with premiere 6.5.
Do you know where's the prob?

thanks a lot

Danilo

well, since no one seems to be able to help us, let me share what i've discovered thus far...

after several days and hours on the phone with a very nice tech specialist at Adobe, we've been able to find a workaround. (this issue by the way, has been escalated to their research and development dept and is now being handled by their engineers. so if nothing else, we can feel special that our little problem is a reall brain teaser, even for Adobe!) ;-) in any case, the problem seems to be that in some configurations, Premiere isn't reading the 24p headers properly and plays the clips at 29.97 rather than 23.976. this flaw also screws the interleave for the audio, hence choppy audio or no audio at all. the fix from Adobe is to force Premiere to process the 24p pull-up by going into "Playback Settings" and selecting "Repeat Frame: ABBCD" rather than the default "Interlaced FRame." after hours of testing and configs, this was the one and only solution Adobe could find, and it works. my 24p footage plays out to my camera properly with clean picture and sound. upgrading to SP2 did help resolve some of the issues i had, but adjusting the playback settings as above was the trick. after days on the phone with Adobe i'm skipping over a lot, but hope what i posted here helps anyone in a similar bind. good luck!!

What are the properties of your video? How was it captures?

where is this on lynda.com?

http://movielibrary.lynda.com/html/modPage.asp?ID=129

My footage has the tip of the mic showing at the top of the frame.....maybe 5% or less the total frame (but just at the top edge). I see this both of the camcorder GL-2 LCD screen as well as the Capture screen. What can I do to eliminate it. Is there a border I can add to the top or something to get it out?

another problem I've noticed on some of my footage is that on my GL-2 camcorder LCD screen, i don't see the MIC, but on the adobe capture screen, I do see it. how does this affect the final result....is it what is seen on the capture screen or the LCD screen that counts?

Hi Joe,

The mic is probably in the 'safe-area' this should not be seen on a normal TV, but is when editing with a computer or when exporting to a video file (AVI, MPG etc). Just to check to see if it is in the safe area you can put a guide up on the Premiere preview monitor. I would also suggest hooking up a TV just to check that you can't see it.

The mic is in the picture then you can either crop the footage, or maybe add letter boxing to your project which will then mask the mic out.

Hope this helps a little,

Hi Joe, as Ed said, basically the GL2 monitor overscans, which means you just can't see the entire frame. You have to get used to how far above the LCD the mic has to be to be out of shot. You could letterbox and that would help.

If the shot you're doing is a locked off camera, you might be able to take a piece of static area where the mic wasn't in frame, and place it over the mic when it's in frame.

I use this to hide dropouts and it works reasonably well.

Aaron

Has anyone seen yet any good books that cover 1.5.1?

Obviously, what I am most interested in here is the new HDV capabilities.

Thanks,

David

At the moment, I don't think there are specific books geared towards editing HDV in Premiere Pro. However, I would reccomend checking out Steven's HDV page: http://www.stevengotz.com

Premiere Pro 1.5.1 handles HDV footage just like regular DV footage. Editing techniques are exactly the same. Plug-ins work almost the same (some plug-ins don't handle HD resolution). Any Premiere Pro book will teach the software.

Adobe is using CineForm's HDV software to edit the software. www.cineform.com will show you why it thinks it's the best solution for Premiere Pro.

Did I unawarely alter something in my Monitor window? In the Source view the scene/ picture is downscaled horisontally, with a black bar on each side, while in the Project view the picture is normally scaled. I can’t find the reason for this, and I cannot remember it was like this before. Maybe something I changed somewhere? Any suggestions or help?

I don't know of any on 1.5.1.

Mine is focused on v1 with a pdf update on the Focal Press site for v1.5 and Jacob Rosenberg's book is based on v1.5...but 1.5.1 is pretty new in book years...

I suspect we'll all have a new crop of tree-killing instruction when the next version hits.

Hello everyone,
I have what I assume to be a simple problem. Using premiere pro 7 and dragging a clip down onto the timeline, placing it over another clip in video 1, I assumed was an overlay edit which should replace the video footage with the drag and drop footage but keep the audio from the original footage on the timeline.

What I get is the original footage cut away and replaced with the drag and drop video and audio. How do I just overlay the new video IE: cut it in but still retain the original audio ?

Thankyou

If you are dragging from the source monitor, the simplest way is to toggle the 3-way switch (has a film icon on it) at the bottom right from "video & Audio" to "video only". You can toggle it once mor if you just wanted the audio, for instance.

If working solely in the timeline, you want to Alt + click the video clip to slect it w/o slececting its audio. You can also Alt+click the audio and delet it if you wish.

Thanks, that was easy ! as you can tell I am a complete beginner

The scene is two people talking to each other side by side at a table with a white glossy chalkboard (but it uses eraseable markers to write on) behind them.

The light hits it in a way that it has this sunlike highlight right over the heads and behind the two people. Its a relatively small spot, however it needs to be taken out. Is there a way in Premiere 1.5 to eliminate this light spot?

Cleanly? maybe enough that you wont really notice it too much...what you could do, if it is a stationary shot, is duplicate the clip, put it again in layer two, use the crop tool to select only the highlight area, apply a luminosity key until only the highlight is selected with a feathered edge, then apply after that a level adjustment effect and play with that until it matches. Of course, if the shot moves it'll be really hard...just make sure you apply the luminosity key before the levels effect, or it wont work right. Once it is done you can also adjust the opacity of the video 2 track to look a little more natural. Hope that helps.

if the spot moves, you can look into motion tracking with after effects to get rid of it.

Hi guys,

I´m having a problem with my Premiere Pro 1.0. When I move a clip to another track, only the audio or the video goes up and down.

Ex: I place the clip called “my little brother.avi” on the track 1 of the timeline. I click the video of that clip and try to move it to the superior track (video 2). It moves, but the audio stays on audio track 1. The audio was supposed to move to audio track 2, but it didn´t.

What is it?

That's actually the way Premiere is set up.
You can manually move the audio clip down to track 2 as well.

Often, folks don't want the audio clip to keep moving down, and thus farther away from its linked video. Often the video clips being inserted to video 1 are just jumpbacks or something with no audio anyway.

There are numerous ways to deal with the situation, but the key is to use the video itself as the source as you can match action...

i might try putting the video directly over itself on a higher track and choosing "Invert" and creating a black spot where the white spot is...if you crank up the contrast, you may be able to isolate the area alone and use a "reverse" luminance key with some reduced opacity to take that area down a bit...

if that doesn't generate the results you want, i have a suggestion.

in after effects (and photoshop), this should be relatively painless. grab a still of the video frame where the highlight is apparent. open the still in photoshop, and on a new layer, use the clone tool or healing brush to hide or bring down the highlight. make sure your clone brush is feathered to give you a little leeway. hide the layer with the still and export only the cloned area as an unmatted png or tiff (with alpha). import your video clip and cover up image into after effects, make sure everything looks ok, and re-export the video. as someone suggested earlier, if the spot is in motion, you can use the motion tracking tool in after effects to have the cover up image follow the highlight around.

in any case, good luck.

HI All
I'm doing a project where I have a jpeg as a background, with a second still moving over it. The background is a picture of a rusted surface; the still with the motion controls applied is a picture of my hand with a sanding block in it. I've applied motion controls to make it look like I'm sanding the rusted surface...

The problem is this: the picture of my hand has terrible jagged horizontal lines along its edges. This effect is more pronounced the more exaggerated the movement--the harder the hand sands, the more jaggedy the edges look. When it is briefly at rest in the sequence, the edges look normal. I've tried to apply all the options in the "Field Options" dropdown box, but they have no effect.

I've tried both .tiff and .psd versions of the hand picture, and the result is the same either way.

I didn't notice this when I was originally doing it because I had the monitor pretty small; when I made it bigger to see how the sequence looked, the jagged edges became apparent....

Why is this? How can I correct it?

Does the problem persist when you render/export? Can you view playback on an external monitor?

When you say you tried all field options, have you tried just "deinterlace"?

What is the resolution of the hand still image, and has it been scaled at all in Premiere?

If all else fails, try dropping a gaussian blur filter on the hand still, leave it set to zero, and see if thee is a difference.

Does the problem persist when you render/export? Can you view playback on an external monitor?



When you say you tried all field options, have you tried just "deinterlace"?



What is the resolution of the hand still image, and has it been scaled at all in Premiere?



If all else fails, try dropping a gaussian blur filter on the hand still, leave it set to zero, and see if thee is a difference.

Thanks for the quick reply!

The problem remains when I render the sequence, no change. I have not done an export test.

I've tried all the field options, and all combinations of those options.

I've tried a few resolutions--(A)1000X750@72dpi and (B) 2000X1500@72dpi. Plus one at 150dpi. Yes, I have to scale the image--(A) at about 65% and (B) at about 33%. I wonder--if I scale the hand image in Photoshop to the size that I need in Premiere, would that solve it? That would make some sense...I'll try that one when I get home.

I did try a blur on it, but it didn't really help in any usable way. I tried the blur (actually, I worked through a number of types of blurs) at numerous settings, but never at zero, I don't think...

Export a short segment. I had the same problem with jerky movement with animated pics and once I put it out to DVD, it was smooth as butter. Premiere has to compensate to keep playback at a decent frame rate, so quality takes a hit while previewing.

Kevin

Thanks, Kevin. In the past I've had the same problem you refer to--but not this time. This time it's actually a jagged edge to the image, not a jerky motion when playing back. I've learned to trust that the preview might be jerky and that the final output will be smooth....

But this is a separate problem from that....

[QUOTE=Chris Long]I wonder--if I scale the hand image in Photoshop to the size that I need in Premiere, would that solve it? That would make some sense...I'll try that one when I get home.

QUOTE]

Yeah, I'd open up a new Photoshop NTSC (or PAL) preset if you have CS, and scale the hand image in there. Source images scaled to DV size and resolution have much fewer problems in Premiere. Might work.

Well, I got it. I rescaled the tiff and tried it, with no visible difference. Then I decided to do the one thing I had not--export a test. Bingo! Once again, I am forced to ignore what my eyes are seeing in the Monitor view during editing, and trust that it will look like a million bucks when I'm done. It looks fine after export--so thanks all! On to other things...

Oh Yes! I want to mention this: I got more useful help--and I got it quicker--here in this forum than I did over at the official Adobe Premiere Pro User-to-User forum. Way to go DV Info!

I'm in the process of getting a Canon XL2 and I own Adobe Premiere 6.5/Mac Version. I plan to get Final Cut Pro down the road at some point and was hoping I would be able to capture footage from the XL2. I've asked Canon tech support and they said I should be able to altho' they don't list AP as compatible software. I use a Canon ZR40 and download/capture clips by using the ZR25 setting, so I'm wondering if anyone has tried the XL2 with Premiere? does it work? I will have my cam at the end of this week and will see for myself, but I just wondered if any of you might know. Thanks for any help!
Lucinda

Since you already have a cheap canon cam, dont worry about the XL2 - use that cam for capture and save the wear and tear on your XL2. I use a sharp $300 miniDV cam to dump all of my DVX100 footage and havent experienced a problem yet, and all of the 24p and 24pa flags remain intact on premiere pro.

Yes, Premier Pro will capture from an XL2.

Dan

he has 6.5.

it is possible that device control may not work properly without the right profile...i've seen it happen before, and actually that was with 6.5...

anyone have hands on experience with an XL2 and 6.5?

thanks for the advice

i'll try the suggestions, but alot of what is stated above is technical and i'm very green at photoshop and premiere 1.5 and after effects, but i'll try it and post questions as I go along. If you don't mind giving me maybe a bit more of (handholding) detailed instructions, i'd greatly appreciate it.

Bye the way, the light spot is still.....the camera was on a Tripod and the two actors were sitting on chairs at a table talking to each other. behind the actors was the glossy white chalkboard with the stationary light spot between and above the two actors.

bye the way I have after effects 6.0 - I believe this should be adequate for premiere 1.5 - no?

again thanks alot

I wanted to burn 3 short clips with a total length of 50 seconds to a DVD and miniDV tape.

I put the Indicator to the very beginning of the 1st clip and exported to DVD

I'm wondering, after 4 hrs it was still processing. Thats really long. On top of that, exporting to miniDV took a while to render, but it did finish rendering after 20 minutes, but it didn't record to the miniDV on my GL2.

Is burning to the DVD a very long process? My project may be 15minutes long which I'd want burnt to a DVD

Yes, DVD export can be a long process. It all depends on which encoder you
are using, which profile/settings you are using, what the source material is
(DV or HD for example), how fast your computer is, how much memory you
have, how many programs are running in the background (anti-virus and
spyware detection tools for example) and how fragmented or slow your
harddisk is etc. etc.

You will have to supply us with much more details. However, if you just have
50 seconds of footage it really should not take that long.

I only have an antivirus program in the background

the processor speed is 3 GHZ and the memory is 512mb

I am using the Adobe Premiere encoder (I believe) and the drive is large (120Gigs) and has been recently defraged

The source material is miniDV

I started at approx 6pm yesterday and 18hrs later its under 50% done.

Any help would be greatly appreciated

I conjecture that Premiere has frozen. 18 hours for 50 seconds is proposterous on that configuration. I rendered out a 10 minute clip with Magic Bullet filters (notorious for long renders) and it was a 7-8 hour output to DVD on my 3Ghz P4, 1GB Ram, HP Laptop. I would reboot, check your preferences as far as where your temp files are going and be sure you have plenty of space. In my case, 50 seconds would take well under an hour to render out. Good luck.

Kevin

Thanks for your responses, but my question was about 6.5 not Pro, I have a Mac.... I was wondering if anyone knew if the 24pA and 24P would be recognized, or if I could use Premiere for this?

Hi there,

I've been editing with Premiere 6.5 on my machine for a couple years without problem or complaint. The other day, I ran into a big problem that I've been unable to solve. When opening a project, I receive the following message:

"Premiere was unable to connect to the native Microsoft(TM) DV support on this machine.
This setting was designed to only work with an OHCI IEEE1394 (Firewire, iLink) card with an approved Microsoft DV driver.
If you have installed the driver included with your OHCI 1394 (Firewire, iLink) card, please uninstall those drivers, and use the install new hardware setting in the control panel to install the Microsoft (TM) drivers.
If you have installed another capture card, please use that card's custom project settings.
If this was working, and you have just installed another application or driver update, please uninstall those."

I click OK, then I get this message:

"Project initialization failed.
DV/IEEE 1394 Playback is not setup correctly.
Playback performance will be impacted."

The impact is that I cannot "print to tape." My firewire port is on my motherboard, and my DV device is a Sony TRV-11. I've tried reinstalling the firewire drivers (which are Microsoft - not Texas Instruments) and reinstalling Premiere, both of which did nothing. Any thoughts about what might be causing the conflict? I have looked online but haven't found an answer. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks!

Aaron

Hello Everyone. Is there a plugin I can buy for Premier or After Affect that will help me write my logo in hand writing? Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks Al Ioimo

hi joe,

send me a still of the video with the highlight at the resolution of the native video. a high quality jpeg is fine. i'll send you back an image with an alpha channel to overlay on top of your video. should be as simple as that since the highlight isn't moving. i'll try and get it back to you in 24 hours.

also, any after effects version is fine. it runs standalone, which is the way i use it. there's a lot of compatibility across adobe's video products now, but i can't really speak to that because i don't use them that way (though i probably should learn how since it would probably save me time in the long run). your version 6.0 is more than adequate to tackle your dillemma here, and for most tasks in the future.

No, Premiere 6.5 does not understand the whole 24p thing (from DV camera's),
so you really do need a newer NLE if you need support for that.