LMAO - Love it!!

/me wants to see mark's face when next week Canon do there suprise announcement of there 720p HDV cam. :P

Neil Fisher posted an interesting link in another thread that is now locked (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31656)

SonyStyle Canada's online store now lists the HDRFX1 at $4999.00, but it indicates "out of stock" and doesn't accept orders. I can't find a corresponding listing at the US SonyStyle web store.

Do you think that price is $4999 $CDN? What would that be in $ USD? Or is it a $ USD price. meaning the camera is going to be more expensive than we thought?

Hi Boyd - it's Cdn. It's inline with $3700 US price quoted in the initial reports.

Okay, so what happened on Sept. 8? Did Canon crash the party and kidnap everyone who realized this new FX1 is a G*O*D*S*E*N*D and was going to suggest, ahem ahem, that HDV is the SECOND COMING ...

Even though they're both called "HDV", 720P and 1080I are two different formats.
Obviously, the M-PEG2 compression takes place in the camcorder, before recording, or it wouldn't be possible to squeeze an hour of high-definition video onto a mini-DV tape.

I've said it a couple of times before: DV was first conceived as a mini high-definition format. The SD format with DV, was an afterthought, to get some commercial use from it, years before high-definition was possible to implement.

The original DV-HD format spec called for 4 times the bit-rate of DV-SD. This was enabled in the specifications by doubling the tape and writing speeds (18,000 head rpm) and raising the recording carrier frequency from 13.5 MHz to 23 MHz. It was intended to have 100mbps. Obviously, this would have produced a better quality of high-definition video, than the heavily compressed HDV we now have. The
logistical problems of having an 18,000 rpm head drum in a lower-cost VTR, is another matter to consider.

Maybe they will use the original 100mbps DV-HD specification some day, even though it would give only 30 min. recording time on a mini-DV cassette. However, I believe that compatibility with the current type of DVD and PVR high-definition recording and the D-VHS HD tape format, is part of the reason that 19 to 25mbps HDV is being used, instead of DV-HD. The CoDec for all these M-PEG2 formats makes their outputs mutually recordable without conversion.

Perhaps, when they put blue laser/double layer DVD recording into use for high-definition, there will be an interest and feasibility for reviving
100mbps DV-HD for semipro and even consumer use.

Steve McDonald

There is a question as to if the FX1 also records in DV. According to camcorderinfo.com, it does:

"Like the JVC, the HDR-FX1 is capable of recording a standard DV signal as well as an HDV signal."

Go back to the fourth post in this thread for the URL.

The HDR-FX1 will play back and record 4:3 DV and 16:9 DV.

Here's a good question! I have some DVCAM (smaller ones) tapes from a PD-150 that I need to play back. I wonder if this camera will play them? If so, it's like getting a DVCAM deck for playback too! :) :)

Murph

If the FX1 includes DVCam playback, this would be in keeping with all the other Sony DV models of recent years. I'd be surprised if it didn't have this feature.
But, don't assume anything for sure. Sometimes, manufacturers discontinue and actively discourage the use of older formats, so that new formats will have a more open field for gaining popularity.

Sony gave the ax to ED-Beta at the same time they introduced the lower-cost PVD and UVD BetaCam SP series. U-Matic SP and the pro series of Hi-8 was taken out of production at about the same time as DV and DVCam were introduced. And so on, with other formats and companies. If support for DVCam was limited, wouldn't this help jump-start the need for new pro HDV models? Rather than allowing customers to gradually recognize the advantages of acquiring new and advanced formats, the manufacturers like to give them a strong nudge in that direction.

Steve McDonald

Steve McDonald

steve is right about dv100 which fits well within the i.link spec used today (400mbs). It's too bad they didn't follow through with this. I am no fan of HDV mpeg2 editing. I was looking forward to 1280x720p 8bit 4:2:2 content.

As far as Vegas, it supports HDV already. has for awhile. It's just another codec. Shouldn't be too hard for any NLE to add support.

Personally, I think PAL 16x9 progressive is a pretty good alternative. And a better editing format. But thats just my humble opinion.

Still, 3 chip 1080i is gonna be great for live action material, weddings, sports.....soap operas.