View Full Version : Zhang Yimou's "Hero"


Keith Loh
August 27th, 2004, 05:57 PM
I've seen it twice on DVD. Now it finally opens in theatrical release in North America today:

Rotten Tomatoes reviews (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/hero/)

I will try and see it in the theatres for the week or so it will be open. It certainly is one of the most sumptuously filmed movies ever made with glorious cinematography by Christopher Doyle. I won't spoil the rest. Go see it for the visuals.

Shawn Mielke
August 27th, 2004, 08:29 PM
I was very into Zhang's films ten years ago. Raise The Red Lantern had an enormous impact on me. I think it was it's spareness that I found so compelling.

Keith Loh
August 27th, 2004, 09:51 PM
I really loved his films from RED SORGHUM, JU DUO, RAISE THE RED LANTERN up to THE STORY OF QUI JU. Then I lost track of them until HERO.

Kevin Lee
August 27th, 2004, 10:06 PM
Hero was backed by the State... If i'm correct, the first Zhang's film to be so.
A good info to know when one reads the story told.

I feel this is very different in spirit and intention to the old Zhang's flicks.

Shawn Mielke
August 27th, 2004, 11:22 PM
Sigh...

Shanghai Triad was the last one I paid attention to. I shall have to take a look at his work again.

Keith Loh
August 27th, 2004, 11:48 PM
ALL of his films have received state money. The state just wasn't forthcoming when it came to distributing his previous films because they were perceived as criticism. 'Hero' was made in a new time. The government is different, the market is different, and Zhang Yimou is different. The Chinese state is no longer monolithic. Whereas, Zhang Yimou himself as he has gotten older may be feeling closer to the taoist philosophy.

Kevin Lee
August 28th, 2004, 12:39 AM
Taoist philosophy? Erhm. That didn't quite translate for me.
On the surface maybe.

Nonetheless, i enjoyed this beautifully crafted movie with my popcorn.

Keith Loh
August 30th, 2004, 02:34 PM
Really good interview with the cinematographer Christopher Doyle. A lot of good ideas and thoughts. Not just a fluff interview.

http://www.reverseshot.com/doyle.html

Shawn Mielke
August 30th, 2004, 06:32 PM
Thank you very much for that interview article, Keith. I'm off tonight to see Hero!
The idea of being as sensitive to location as possible,
and that location is as much character as anyone else, is also very important to me. Cimema is an exploration of the outer as well as the inner world, the two uniting and representing in just the same way that dreams do. Excellent stuff.

Keith Loh
August 30th, 2004, 06:56 PM
I'm glad to see articles like that. Frequently we are absorbed with the technical aspects and not too aware of the spiritual, artistic aspects that ground our ideas.

Shawn Mielke
August 31st, 2004, 07:51 PM
Alright, well I've now seen Hero. I don't see many films at theaters these days, certainly not big movie action fictions, so the sprawling enormity of it all just in itself was very moving for me.

I liked it very much. I wanted to see it boiled for longer into art, I wanted to see more of it's dialogue and narrative told even more visually and poetically. I wanted it's sense of itself to be more, I don't know, innocent. But it's emotional livelihood, for the most part, was as strong and mature as it's use of color, it is giving way to interesting ideas, for me, and I'm going to see it again tonight! Yimou has served the genre very well. (I haven't seen Crouching Tiger...) Can't wait to see his other films again.

Yi Fong Yu
September 1st, 2004, 10:36 AM
i think the american release of it is the edited 96min edition. there is a 120min edition on DVD somewhere. it's more detailed/character, etc. it's also even slower (if you can believe it) than the current one.

i think it's a typical wuxia movie nothing special (except for the brainwashing but other than that...).

Paul Tauger
September 1st, 2004, 11:49 AM
<<<-- Originally posted by Kevin Lee : Hero was backed by the State... If i'm correct, the first Zhang's film to be so.
A good info to know when one reads the story told.

I feel this is very different in spirit and intention to the old Zhang's flicks. -->>>
I agree. I was a huge Zhang Yimou fan for his earlier films. I think he started going downhill when he and Gong Li broke up. Since they stopped going together, her career has faded as well.

I guess Zheng Ziyi is being touted as the "new Gong Li." She's certainly very pretty, but she seems to lack Gong Li's fire (I don't think I'd ever want Gong Li mad at me ;) ).

Shawn Mielke
September 1st, 2004, 08:10 PM
"i think the american release of it is the edited 96min edition. there is a 120min edition on DVD somewhere. it's more detailed/character, etc. it's also even slower (if you can believe it) than the current one."

You know, it really did feel rushed where it mattered most, something I noticed more so on the second viewing, as though the story and it's themes weren't allowed to breath enough. I'm glad that wasn't entirely a conscious decision on the part of the filmmakers.

Nothing special? No, perhaps not, but, again, I don't see films of this sort, so I dug into the mixture of philosophy portrayed in a physical, yea action, form.

Brack Craver
September 3rd, 2004, 06:50 PM
I saw it today. Visually it was astounding. A lot of the scenes reminded me of Sandy Skoglund photographs. That final scene where Jet Li (was he the Nameless guy?) is walking down the steps and everything is gray punctuated by that red- breathtaking stuff. Or that little shrine in the lake. Or the fight between Moon and Snow where everything turns red. Wow! Really, there were so many amazing things visually about this movie. Also, the sound and score were great. However, the script was way too melodramatic for my taste.

Robert J. Payne
September 4th, 2004, 07:30 PM
I saw this movie on DVD almost a year ago, and it was fantastic. I'm a bit hesitant to watch the recently released version in the theaters, since it's cut, and most likely, not the same movie that I saw. In my opinion, it should've never been brought to America, but that's just my opinion.

The original version is pretty much a visual, poetic masterpiece. I'm not sure about the version that's in the theaters, however.

- Robert

Shawn Mielke
September 5th, 2004, 11:31 AM
Now I'm very curious. We'll probably at least get the uncut on dvd, eh?
Why not bring it to America?

Michael Wisniewski
September 5th, 2004, 03:47 PM
Finally saw both versions.

Interestingly, the Chinese verson feels more grand in scope while the American version seems to have a tighter focus on the individuals. That's probably on purpose, kinda makes sense why they had two versions.

I like the Chinese version better because it let me dwell on the events and characters more, while the American version seemed to cut more quickly to the fighting scenes.

I thought it was interesting that in the Chinese version, it felt like the character development scenes were tied together using the fight scenes as intermissions.

In the American version, it felt like the the opposite, where the fight scenes were the main focus of the story, and the character development scenes were kept in order to tie together the fight scenes into a coherent story.

Well, that's just food for thought ... either one you see, it's still a gorgeous film.

My favorite fight scene is still the two women with all the yellow petals, just beautifully done.

Gints Klimanis
September 7th, 2004, 02:54 PM
I have the "Hero" DVD from China. I wouldn't say that the movie is slow. If you just want to be immersed in the movie with its
siren-like singing and stunning imagery, just allow yourself to let go for the evening. My recent theater experience was pretty good, although I think the color and image quality were actually better on the DVD - at least on my TV. The movie I saw a few days ago was jittery and littered with dust. Rumors on the web mention that the original was damaged in making copies.

http://www.monkeypeaches.com/Heronews0210-12.html

In a Chinese video store, there is a 118 minute version for sale in a bigger DVD box.

Also, I saw a 3 VCD set of the Making of Hero as well.
I didn't buy it because I would like this production in DVD.
Has anyone seen this 3 VCD set ? I'm hoping that there isn't any overlap with the lower resolution "Making of ... " that is already on the DVD.