Below is a short film I completed near the beginning of the year which screened at the 2004 Kingston Film Festival here in Ontario... and rejected at many others.

It was shot using the mini35/XL1 edited in Premiere 6.5 and then Colored using After Effects 6.0.

One unique aspect of this film is the fact I chose to shoot it in the French language which I do not speak or write. I orginally wrote it in English and had it translated to French. My goal was to produce a European type looking and feeling film that would simply stand out for a "Canadian" production.

www.starcentral.ca/trailers/SousLeJour.wmv Runtime: 5:00

Enjoy, and feedback is always welcome! Thank you.

Hi Denis!

I watched it two times, and it is definitelly a good movie And unlike you when you watched my short, I can actually understand yours very well!!! :)

I loved the composition of your shots, the editing is also really well done, and the DOF of the mini35 really add to the visual aspect. If only I could have the money to buy or rent one...

Your actors are very good too, particularly the woman. The man is not bad, but his strong english canadian accent had the effect to scrap the european feel for me. But probably only french people will notice that.

The story was somewhat classical and a bit foreseeable. I think the story would have more consistency if you had more developed the reasons which led this poor man to not leave his wife.

But overall, great work, its a visually really good piece. I enjoyed watching it.

Well Jean, it is much easier to pull off a short "short" so still I commend you on your short film, it is a really great one and your effort shows. I admit Sous Le Jour was nothing more than a fragment of time, I wish I had made it longer when I wrote it but time was running out so it is what it is.

Yes the male actor definitely takes away from the Euro feel for the French viewers, I agree so I pretend that he was an English chap who tried hard to please his French mistress by speaking it!

The composition was pretty standard I think, nothing daring and mostly played safe. I would like to change that more in my future films. I edited the short for the first time and then had another editor/filmmaker make suggestions which truly made a huge difference. This was the suggestion I made to you on your film as well, it really did help me. The DOF offered by the mini35 definitely helps lose some of that video feel, and obviously isolates the characters in the foreground from the background.

Having spoken about the visuals however, I wonder if English viewers are too busy reading the subtitles to notice these observations? hehe

A simple question Dennis,

How have you managed to get the right to use the mucis? Is it complicated? How much does it cost?

Thanks!

Hello Jean, thank you for asking some questions. I have to openly say that I'm quite disappointed that no one is checking out this thread, probably because I used the film title and said it was a French film. It has subtitles, it has subtitles!. Maybe I should have put "MINI35 short / official festival selection" ?

Anyway the easiest way to obtain rights is to first contact the record label, and also the publisher. Finding the record label is easy, just look on the CD. But to find the publisher start off with www.cmrra.ca since you are here in Canada.

Once you contact them, they you will go through the process and fill out a form for quotation which can take up to 2 months. This quote will be valid for 90 days. In the form you describe where the song will be used, how the song will be used, what markets the film will be screened it, etc..

For a 1 year term, North American film festival market only I was quoted approxiatemly $1000 in total for both of the songs. The first song used in the opening was $750, the song for the credits was $250.

Hope this helps.

Good job. I agree with Jean-Philippe that the acting of your female lead was really good. (I don't speak French). Enjoyable to watch.

Thanks for your feedback.

Truth is my strength is more on the production end, not really writing so what you see is a real short slice of time. For my next film I will make it a longer one with a little more story and substance. This film was also my first time shooting using the mini35 and Canon XL1 which technically posed a wide range of challenges so I'm still getting the hang of that end too.

It wasn't really my type of story and ending but you did a good job and the video quality is good. I can't put my finger on it but the scene with the dialog going back and forth felt like it needed something ... different camera angles/POV or ??. That may just be my preference though because I'm not an expert by any means.

The shot of when he was walking, did you use a dolly or steadicam type of rig? Building a dolly is on my list of projects for this weekend.

Hey it wasn't really my type of story either but I really wanted something dramatic complete with the English subtitles. I like the imported feel so next time around I might try Japanese or something.. ?

As for the back/forth shots I thought of over shoulder shots and using a dolly but it's such a short conversation that takes place in the park too much camera movement would have been distracting I felt.

The only equipment used outdoor was a light reflector, and fluid head tripod. The shot where the guy walks down the hill was just a subtle tilt and use of good editing (ie. cutting to a shot that is already in motion, then slowing down to a stop). The profile shot of the guy walking was done with about 20 takes shooting outside the sunroof of my car (with separate driver of course). The bedroom scene used a home made dolly system consisting of skate board wheels at 90 degree angles to eacho ther attached to your typical spider type dolly. Just remove the stock wheels and add your own as seen in these photos www.starcentral.ca/images/DSC00574.JPG & www.starcentral.ca/images/DSC00576.JPG. I have to say this version of the dolly is somewhat rocky/shakey so my new version is 4 sets of wheels on a rectangular plywood sheet. The rails or poles I used are 3/4" electrical conduit purchased for $4.18 each (including tax). Also not seen in the photos are the rubber bands I recently siliconed to the wheels for a smoother ride. Just get an old bicycle tube and cut in strips enough to cover the center portion of the skate wheels - you'd be surprised at what a difference it makes.

Next on my list of projects I'm building a jib/crane arm so I can at least get some vertical travel in my shots, nothing crazy just a couple of feet of travel.

Oh the joys of indie film making......

Ouaaaa! you are a courageous guy! Putting so much money (camera, mini 35, film lenses... 20-25000 $ ?!?) on an home built crane... I hope that you have good building skills! :)

Anyway, good luck with your projects!

You've got it all wrong Jean-Phillipe, my life savings for the mini35 has left me having to build my own production equipment ;)

Hi Dennis,

Nice short. I liked the shallow DOF a lot. It is a nice simple story. Good choice of music. I had no idea paying for rights was that expensive.

Silence can be a good thing, but during the conversation, some of the cuts could have been a bit faster; there were some silent moments that felt a bit awkward. For the ending scene, it would have been better if it wasn't cross faded to the picture, but rather, you should have continued your traveling to the end. I agree with others that the English accent does throw things off, but it's easy to interpret it as an Anglophone wanting to communicate with his mistress in French to the best of his abilities.

Fredric,

Thanks for your feedback.

I am definitely one for fast cutting in films. I notice when film makers edit their own footage the 1st cut can be long and drawn out. With that in mind I did the first cut myself and as I mentioned had it reviewed by someone else for a "fresh" perspective. A few changes were made to some of the locations of the pauses and which angles we were seeing, but the length of the pauses weren't lengthened or shortened. Perhaps there were some moments that didn't need that extra dramatic emphasis though.

Yeah that end scene was a bugger I have to say. Because of the dolly contraption I had to pan, tilt, dolly out and then back in again all on my own in one contiuous take. I couldn't possibly pull focus with the lens too so I placed the dolly in a 45 degree angle in such a way that all focus points were equal distances thus avoiding the need to change focus. What a bloody pain in the ass that was! What resulted was the final shot of the table being what I thought was too far from the lens to make out the picture frame, so I felt there was no choice but to use the emergency close up footage I shot - but never intended to use. That cross fade bothered me for the longest time, now I'm just use to it.

Great comments, thanks I appreciate them.

Dennis,

I liked your piece a lot and if you don't mind I'll give you just a couple of editorial sort of suggestions.

In the conversation on the bench, don't feel that you must cut back to the person saying the line. I got the ping pong sort of feeling in that exchange.

In the final shot, I would have like to have seen a dissolve into a closer shot of the picture just to confirm that it is the two of them. I don't know how it would look on a larger screen but on my (21") computer screen I pretty much guessed it was her and it was him because the guy in the picture had a beard and glasses.

Liked the DOF a lot, the piece looked good!

Really good short short :) The DOF was a nice touch.

Regarding the conversation on the bench, I think the pauses were meant to be semi-strong reactions from the actors, and if the acting from the Male was better, the pauses would've been more effective, but some pauses were, indeed, necessary. (like right before the female says, "I don't care.") Just my opinion.

For the ending, I would've held the first shot of the picture a bit longer, (or a lot longer), then do a clean cut to a super close-up of the photo -- kinda like Kubrick did with the HAL 9000...just kidding ;)

Nice film.

- Robert

<<<-- Originally posted by Robert J. Payne :
Regarding the conversation on the bench, I think the pauses were meant to be semi-strong reactions from the actors, and if the acting from the Male was better, the pauses would've been more effective, but some pauses were, indeed, necessary. (like right before the female says, "I don't care.") Just my opinion.>>>

I take it that this was in response to my comment... what I meant was that there is not always a need to cut back to the person and that sometimes it's better to stay on the person receiving that line to get a bigger chunk of their reaction to the line. You already know who's talking.

I feel there are sort of 2 separate points being discussed here. One are the pauses between character's lines while the other is which character is being shown while there is speaking.

Funny is the fact that it was a very cold day here in November last year when I shot the bench scene (coincidentally it was the first day they opened up public skating at the park) and the actors flew through their lines. I only realized it in editing how fast their dialog took place so I was able to extend the pauses which really weren't as long as they appeared in the final cut of the short.

I think with casual conversation pauses aren't necessary, but with confrontation or conflict they emphasis drama which is what I guess I was trying to do. The guy is weak and intimidated by his female character so he hesitates before speaking to her, he is unsure as to what to say next, perhaps he even feels torn. The woman's "silence" or brief moment of thought is reacting to what has been said to her, she then responds "I don't care".

As for which character is shown while speaking, I completely understand this idea but find it more appropriate in long converstations, interviews and simply when the topic of conversation is boring for the viewer so we switch angles around a little and perhaps even throw the odd wide shot in there. I worked as a switcher and eventually directed some live type TV shows and agree changing up what we see is definitely an option and needed in the right situation.

Again with the dialog being so short in my film and almost confrontational from the minute the guy sits down, I didn't feel there is not a lot of opportunity to show the opposite character of who's speaking. I watched it again just now and the only spot I would say I could have done it in is when he says "It's true". But now I also see some of the cuts could have come later than they were made.

Well either way I definitely like the critique and feedback. We could be talking about how crazy the story was or how the shots were poorly composed so I'll take critique on something that can still be changed as opposed to too late ;)

Kevin: I absolutely agree with you. I usually don't prefer fast cuts at all, but sometimes they work for me.

Dennis: I understand what you were trying to do. The scene is still very well done. There's just so many different options while shooting a simple, short, conversation. Regardless, you handled it well.

- Robert

Great news - I just found out this film was accepted to a local film festival here in Toronto. I will post the details when they become available.

One minor problem is they want a teaser or trailer for the short film. Anyone have any ideas considering the shortness of the short itself? I do have some other footage of wrought iron fences from the park, the guy walking and shots of the empty bench both static and tilting shots - none of which were used in the short.

Any guess at how long the teaser would be for my short ?

Thanks for any input.

Maybe you could use sequences of the woman and him walking, and let them dissolve into each other? or maybe mix it with that photo of he and his wife? I don't know really, it's really short to make a trailer of it :-:$

Maybe you could only show a black screen, and you can hear some dialogue of one of them, wich could evoke interest, and then you just see the title of the movie appear?
Then you don't have images, but maybe people will be very curious?

Or maybe a picture of the bench empty, and then some voices with dialogue that evokes curiosity? and then the title that appears above the bench?
I couldn't really say

Hope it helps

(btw: sorry for the possible bad englisch, it is not my native tongue)

Actually you have given me some good ideas. I think I will dissolve between black and close up shots of their facial expressions. On the black parts I could use little pieces of the dialog, "Did you talk to her" and "I have decided not to leave my wife". The only problem then is how cheesy would a trailer appear with subtitles and would it be worse without them because not many would understand.

I don't think I could use the photo as that would then reveal the ending. I could however keep cutting back to the camera dolly in the bedroom but then never reveal the characters in the bed.

I can't see a trailer for this being more than 20 seconds based on what I have to work with.

Dennis, have you seen "The barbarians invasions"? You know, the Denis Arcan's movie that won the Oscar of best foreign film? The movies has been distributed worldwide with subtitles. I have seen the trailer Miramax does for the USA. Instead of putting shot with dialog, a voice over described the feel of the movie with strong images from the film where people exprimed emotions, laugh, etc. Perhaps something like that could be well suited for your film. You can in fact use some sequences of the ending, without revealing anything depending of how you edit it.

For your trailer I wouldn't give too much away like the sentence:
" I have decided to not leave my wife "

That says SO MUCH, too much in my opinion.

I really liked the idea of the empty bench with a couple of lines
that you hear them say and the title fading in or something.

Well thanks to many suggestions by members on this site I have thrown together a trailer for a 5 minute short with only 2 locations which I thought would be impossible.

It is simple yet perhaps effective so thank you everyone for your ideas.

http://www.starcentral.ca/trailers/Sous-Trailer.wmv

The short should be screened at the Toronto Online Film Festival which begins this weekend, let's hope it is well received there.

Thanks again.

Dennis, I hope this approriate. I've been playing a bit with the
footage you've put up to make a totally different kind of trailer.
I had a bit of fun playing with it and this is what I ended up with:

www.visuar.com/DVi/RobSLJ.wmv
(right-click and save target to download, watch at 200% in WMP)

What do you think?

How did the screening go?

Rob,

That is totally appropriate, it definitely gives me a different and unique idea of what can really be done with any footage. Thanks for your idea and I'm glad you had fun playing with it.

The screening hasn't happened yet, what this festival does is puts your trailer online and then asks for viewers to provide feedback on which films should actually screen later at a future date. My film/trailer for Sous Le Jour should be up next week along with another film called 'Pilgarlic' I did DOP on - it also was shot with the mini35 XL1 combo - check it out.

I'm still amazed that you would spend time playing around with the film to create your own version of the trailer, that is awesome thanks.

Dennis

All in the learning experience Dennis! This was done in a couple
of hours and I wanted to try the original idea someone else and
myself had posted. See how it would look like. It's just a rough
version, but it was fun to work with the limited footage I had.

Great that you liked it! <g>

Good luck on the voting. Where can I see this other film?

This other film is 12 minutes long written and directed by Joseph De Leo here out of Toronto. You can see some pics on my web site www.starcentral.ca/pilgarlic.htm and www.starcentral.ca/pil.htm - most probably I will create a wmv version sometime soon and post it online. We just finished it a couple of months ago and getting ready for 2005 festivals.

I keep you posted on it.

HI

Watched the movie. The movie didn't do anything to me. I think the cutting of the scenes and the way the sotry is told is strange and well, you can see that something is lacking. It has a semi-profesional touch. In the beginning I think the acting of both persons sitting on the bench on the soft side. You can see it is acted. It doesn't looks real. First of all, when the girl was waiting, she looked to the right and suddenly you made this cut to the next scene and the guy was coming from the left. Strange. And the shot on the bed was strange too. I saw some minor camshakes there. It seems amateur. And then at the end a strange cold cut to a scene with a photograph. It doesn't seem right. You have a hard way of cutting from one scene to another. The sound was good and the girls were beautifull, especially the last one. The locations were ok. The acting a bit too soft and like they studied it from the papers. Good luck!

LOL. I liked it. Call it sous le sheets. Salut, mon ami. Need a cameraman avec le stuff?

Unfortunatly, my computer won't seem to let me watch your flim.... However, I think your idea of a Canadaian film in french is wonderful. I don't think there's enough Canadaian film on this board, let alone in french. Good work, though for representing the French-Canadaian People. Being near Toronto, I find it easier to relate to your idea!

Clint Grant

One of these links should work for you:

http://www.starcentral.ca/trailers/souslejour.wmv

http://www.starcentral.ca/trailers/souslejour.mov

http://www.starcentral.ca/trailers/souslejour.mpg

Great! The link worked. Really good work!