Hello All,

Sorry if this has already been discussed (I'm a newbee), but has anyone ever bought a grey market Canon XL1? Good idea? Bad idea? Please let me know what your experience was with grey market cameras? I am looking to buy an XL1 and am wary of used equipment, but I have also heard some grey market horror stories! I am looking for a little guidance, please feel free to email me privately at PhillyFilm@yahoo.com or post here. Thank you all so much for your help!
SL

Hi,

Everthing pretty much applies to the XL1 as to the other thread on the Sony' that you posted to, with one big exception. Some really great places to purchase an XL1 and not get ripped off. Canon USA has a great XL1 Owners Club http://www.canondv.com/xl1owners/index.html This club is only available in the US and grey market cameras need not apply, no coverage. You might ask how would Canon know grey market from Official US product? Easy, they track all the serial numbers and you have to supply the serial number to join.

If your West Coast based try Zotz Digital http://www.zotzdigital.com/ or East Coast try ZGC http://www.zgc.com/ and Pro Tape http://www.pro-tape.com/index.html for the middle. It is very easy to get ripped off or mislead about products and services. Read the many posts here and find about the products performence in the real world. The above dealers help sponsor this site and help make the info available. Give them a try, their service and expert knowledge won't disapoint you.

Jeff

And for cryin' out loud, stay away from Ebay! You probably have a 50-50 chance of getting ripped off.

Sammy,

How much are you expecting to spend?

Well, I found someone in Madrid Spain who has one he says is brand new, never opened for $2000. He also says that I can return it within 10 days if I am unsatisfied. Needless to say I am a bit wary (which I know should help me make my decision). I wasjust wondering if you all think the camera will be a piece of junk being from Spain and not made for US? Also do you know if the XL1 is able to change languages in the menus?

Thanks!
-SL

Dylan:

Is ebay.com really that bad? I am trying to get the 14x lens there and since I purchased some other items there, too, without any trouble (although I got them from ebay-Germany) I had no concerns about getting ripped off, but now...

What negative experience did you have? I understand that there are some retailers or "professional" sellers on ebay, who I do not exactly trust, neither, but the private sellers seem to be okay or am I wrong?

Cheers, Peter

You can buy an XL1s from Broadway Photo for $2,200! Well worth the extra $200 not to get screwed. Visit site at:

http://bwayphoto.com/product.asp?item=cnxl1s2

Let's see, send $2,000 to Spain, to buy a camera I've never seen, from a guy I've never meet. If the money doesn't mean that much to you and you can still sleep after spending $2,000 for a box of rocks, I'd go for it. All kidding aside, I would pass. A foreign transaction like that could be a potential nightmare. Too risky for me.

Jeff

BAD DOG! BAD! Broadway is one of the places to avoid! They gave me a great deal, until I was placing the order. Then all of the stuff that came with the XL1s became add ons. Including the warranty. The price almost doubled. STAY AWAY!

As far as Ebay, I've had very few bad experiences, only one comes to mind. You have almost a better chance there than at Broadway.
Keith

I understand everything you're saying with the exception of the warranty issue. How can they charge you for the warranty, which comes from Canon?

I see now. Went online and read 19 reviews on Broadway Photo. They are selling "Gray Market" stuff, hence the great prices and no warranty! Thanks for raising the flag on Broadway Photo, Keith!

I bought a xl1 for 2000...found it in the classifieds...great condition...
plus you get the opportunity to go check out the camera first, plus maybe
work together a signed contract stating that yourself bought the camera
from a private party under specified conditions.

I would be weary about buying equipment through the mail from private parties.

You can buy an extended warranty from Canon, which is what scum like Broadway are doing.

<<<-- Originally posted by SammyLeopold : Well, I found someone in Madrid Spain who has one he says is brand new, never opened for $2000. He also says that I can return it within 10 days if I am unsatisfied. Needless to say I am a bit wary (which I know should help me make my decision). I wasjust wondering if you all think the camera will be a piece of junk being from Spain and not made for US? Also do you know if the XL1 is able to change languages in the menus?

Thanks!
-SL -->>>


Unless you can pick up the camera from him in person, just send the money to me and I'll spend it on blow and hookers, or maybe take it down to the racetrack and put it on a horse called "gimpy". ;) You get my point. Sorry to dissapoint, but it's probably a scam.

I'm going to post a warning about buyng stuff on Ebay, or anywhere else. PLEASE read it. It'll save you $2000.

<<<-- Originally posted by Peter Koller : Dylan:

Is ebay.com really that bad? I am trying to get the 14x lens there and since I purchased some other items there, too, without any trouble (although I got them from ebay-Germany) I had no concerns about getting ripped off, but now...

What negative experience did you have? I understand that there are some retailers or "professional" sellers on ebay, who I do not exactly trust, neither, but the private sellers seem to be okay or am I wrong?

Cheers, Peter -->>>

Ebay is trying to keep the major rip-off artists out of there. It's a lot better right now than it was a few months ago. I remember at one point I was looking at XL1's and easily about 30% were obviously scams.

I've only been ripped off twice, but only on smaller items. Everyone probably has by now.
Anyway... I don't send money orders and I don't use Western Union or any other kind of cash transfer. If they don't take credit cards, Paypal, or Billpoint, or live in my city, I won't even bid.
Read my post on what signs to look for.
Private sellers are usualy more risky than pro sellers, since the pro sellers want to continue to do business on Ebay, and usualy have a reputation built up. Personal accounts linked to a hotmail address are untraceable. If they really want, they can take your money and walk away. I'd almost never buy anything from someone with zero feedback.

E-mail me the link to the auction you are looking at and I'll give you some feedback on it.

Dylan,

Thanks for your input, which forum is your post about Ebay in? I would very much like to read it!

Thanks!
-SL

It's in General Topics, right here.
Should be real close to this thread. Look for HOW NOT TO GET SCAMMED ON EBAY.

Yes. . .Ebay is evil. I got screwed there, though it was partly (hell probably mostly) my fault. Bite the bullet and buy from a real store.

I don't know... I got alot of really cool stuff off Ebay, and only been burned once. I also take time to read the feedback on the person, and if it's bad, I go elsewhere.

Don't get me wrong, I think Ebay is great and I use it alot.
I'm just very VERY careful.

ebays great, but its expenisive....i buy from classifieds, even out of state.

i dont feel the need to pay high dollar for used equipment.

Hi All,

Does anyone have any experience buying from Amazon Marketplace where they say they will guarantee your purchase up to $2500 if the merchandise is misrepresented?

Thanks!
-SL

Hi,

there is a difference between price and cost. The price is the initial value set for the item. The cost is what you will end up paying in the long run. The cost includes shipping, returns, frustration, lost time etc.

Don't be "penny wise and pound foolish". Get down to a reputable store, pay a little more (that's the sellers way of recovering all the after service costs they incur, when we do stupid things and they have to help out etc.).

There is a reason mostly for paying more...you get what you pay for. This sounds kinda hard when on a tight budget but wait to see how hard your budget gets hit when you get taken.

Measure the COST and not the PRICE.

Cheers
Andrew

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