Don Berube
July 20th, 2004, 05:43 PM
<<<-- Originally posted by Yi Fong Yu : unless that color viewfinder happens to be same resolution as the FU-1000 and is CRT? -->>>
Yi, here's another "trust me on this one" DV TidBit for you: A $300-500 color 'high resolution' electronic CRT viewfinder simply does not exist, from any manufacturer. I'm assuming that you are asking for a color CRT EVF that shows at least a full 960x480 resolution?
Do you feel that the 2" 200K LCD on the XL2 is any less resolute than the larger 3.5" 200K LCD on the DVX?
Let me ask everyone a question which I asked previously, but this time a little differently: Are you willing to spend only $3000 for your dream camera -or- are you at least willing to spend 15% more than what it actually costs the manufacturer to produce your dream camera? Would you spend $8500-10000 for a camera that offered you everything you want? Are you prepared to spend that money this year -or- do you think you just might be able to save up that much 3 years from now?
Just wondering,
Thanks!
- don
Yi Fong Yu
July 20th, 2004, 06:22 PM
i wouldn't mind buying the XL2 body for ~$3700 (subtract the color viewfinder)+ $1600 (for the FU-1k)+$1400(for the 3x wide lens) for a total of:
$6700.
i wouldn't mind paying for that.
David Ziegelheim
July 20th, 2004, 08:32 PM
The DVX has peaking on both the LCD and EVF and a B/W switch for the EVF.
Don Donatello
July 20th, 2004, 10:39 PM
it seems the price point persons are willing to "pay" for these camera's are in the 3200-4000 range .. IMO this group is very difficult to please as they want it all for that price. they want to OWN it so renting a 2/3 CCD 16x9 camera for their project is out of the question. so they have to live with the limitations in that price range BUT they do get the MOST bang for their $$$$ in that price range ...
3200-4000 is a price point that is chargable right now - you just BUY it on the credit card ..doesn't matter if camera doesn't generate revenue = it's expendable. and at the end of the project you have something to show for your 3200 even if project fails ... 25K+ camera is not chargable and one would really think about how they could generate revenue with this 25k+ camera = 25k is not expendable ....
David Ziegelheim
July 21st, 2004, 06:26 AM
<<<-- Originally posted by Don Donatello : it seems the price point persons are willing to "pay" for these camera's are in the 3200-4000 range .. IMO this group is very difficult to please as they want it all for that price. they want to OWN it so renting a 2/3 CCD 16x9 camera for their project is out of the question. so they have to live with the limitations in that price range BUT they do get the MOST bang for their $$$$ in that price range ...
3200-4000 is a price point that is chargable right now - you just BUY it on the credit card ..doesn't matter if camera doesn't generate revenue = it's expendable. and at the end of the project you have something to show for your 3200 even if project fails ... 25K+ camera is not chargable and one would really think about how they could generate revenue with this 25k+ camera = 25k is not expendable .... -->>>
Is may even more like you can rent an 2/3" camera (SDX900 is only 24p one). However you shoot a lot of stuff that doesn't justify the cost, insurance, and time to due the rental. So you use your own camera.
The XL1 surpassed the VX1000, then came the GL1, the VX2000, The PD150, the XL1S and DVX100, then the DVX100A and now the XL2. If my memory serves me correctly, the GL1 was the must have prosumer camera when it came out. I saw my first one with some students shooting a film in Penn Station.
Each added features that previously weren't available. For instance the VX2000 added 1/3" CCDs and manual audio level controls to the GL1 form-factor. The DVX100 added 24p. Before that it was never mentioned, to the best of my recollection, in a video discussion. It was something you got with film.
Once the features were introduced, we expected them on every camera we considered.
Don Berube
July 21st, 2004, 07:19 AM
David,
What percentage exactly of the footage you are shooting do you feel that you actually need 24P? Why?
- don
Chris Hurd
July 21st, 2004, 07:31 AM
<< For instance the VX2000 added 1/3" CCDs and manual audio level controls to the GL1 form-factor >>
Incorrect, the VX2000 was the successor to the VX1000, a 3-CCD 1/3rd-inch camcorder DV which came out long before the GL1.