It does/did exist, and as you can see from my last post, I have an devious little DIY experimental use for it. Always interested in the cheaper solutions, it would be good for at least prototyping an pixel-shifted recording solution, which has some of it's own advantages over single chip. But tell me, roughly what prices were Foveon quoting, for what type of equipment. Unless the chips can be had for hundreds or less, or cameras for less than an thousand, it might be too expensive for my use.

Still expensive, but of course foveon is up there with altasens in terms of quality. Low hundreds for large quanties, around $850 for 5 sensors, $1000 for single. I just updated my chart.

After all this time Wayne you should know that we don't allow cross-posting to more than one forum. Thus the removal. Where do you want this, and I'll move it.

But it wasn't the same post, I changed it :) . Is it possible to reinstall it there and I put an link to it here with the same title?

Any chance it might be possible to have an remote linking scheme, like the moved post scheme, for awkward question posts that suit more than one sub-forum?

If we move a post, we usually leave behind a three-day re-directing link.

With cross-posts, we just remove all but the earliest version.

If the topic is of interest, people *will* find it. Hope this helps,

Wayne, good cmos image sensor is better than 3ccd or 3cmos.
http://www.cineform.com/technology/CineFormRAWFiles/BayerSensor_600H.gif

Read tests by Wolfgang Winne, check samples from 3CCD camcorders and one-sensor HV20
http://fxsupport.de/25.html

Serge, don't worry about it. This is an lead up to something much better for the price. The three chipper is just an easy entry test case for now.

Thanks Chris. I'm sure there is probably 70% less chance of the right person coming along here, then in general, and 50% overall (maybe more likely such an person would respond here though).

Anyone want to help me :- I'm compiling a list of cameras divided into sensor size i.e. 1/2" to 2/3", 2/3" to 1", 1" and higher. Protocol - GigE/IIDC/CameraLink. Resolution Full HDTV 1920X1080, or higher. Frame rate 30fps or higher (some of us need quality slom motion as well)
So far we have the Imperx, Altasens, Pulnix (others based on the Kodak Kai sensor). If we have a list with model numbers, I can make a table with prices etc.

Hello everyone,

Has everyone thought of using a high speed CMOS and run at continues at high speeds, I found a CMOS chip from micron which can handle 2352 x 1728 @ 200 fps (10 bit) with a global shutter. with a lower vertical resolution you get a higher framerate.

If you would always run the sensor at a high speed, say 8 times 24 fps. You can use these extra frames for either slow motion, or increasing bit depth by adding the frames together. 8 times would add 3 bits of dynamic range (the SNR also increases, but not by 3 bits).

If you really want to do freaky stuff, one could maybe do a more complicated set of exposures to get HDR.

Sumix Altasens GigaE camera is being released. Price is not set yet. I would like your suggestion for price that can be justified for DIY users.

Farhad

Sumix Altasens GigaE camera is being released. Price is not set yet. I would like your suggestion for price that can be justified for DIY users.
Farhad

This old version of Altasens? Not 2K as used in SI2K ?

Correct. In a few months sensor will be changed to the new version P4562-3T.

Farhad, do you have solution how to _perfectly_ sync two camera heads for stereoscopic application?

Farhad -- are there any "approved" GigE laptops which have been tested with your new camera?
Regards,
John.

Sumix Altasens GigaE camera is being released. Price is not set yet. I would like your suggestion for price that can be justified for DIY users.

Farhad

I'd say $2500-$3500.

Is the "Extended Sensitivity at 1280 x 720" mode monochrome or color?

Serge, Using external triggers two cameras can work as master and slave. How perfect they can be synced, I ask our support guys to do some testing.
John, We use Sony, IBM and Toshiba laptops.

Farhad, contact to Cineform and ask about CineformRAW DVR for Sumix camera head, and complect your cameras with trigger for 3D;)
This will be HOT combination !

Do you think about to use 1/3" CIS of Altasens like this: http://altasens.com/ProductFlyers/AltaSens3372ProductFlyer.pdf with good price $1K?

Serge,

Yes, We are impressed with quality of altasens sensors and we are going to leverage the design by using other sensors such as 1/3" 3372 also. I expect the differential price will not be more than $500 for the final camera. Prices will be forced down by the competitive market also. We like to be always ahead of the curve with respect to the price.

The arrival of RED and the SI-2k into what had been a very expensive and exclusive club of ultra high-end video cinema cameras was a welcome shake-up. But unless you were involved in commercial film work to recoup the cost of even these cheaper cameras, it was still only a revolution for a slightly larger club of users. Genuinely independent film makers (independent of the film industry itself) are making speculative films in their own way, with their own money, in their own time, with no guarantee a sales agent will ever pick up their finished film. The whole movie will probably cost less than a quarter of a RED.

For this level of production – and I hate to admit it – HDV has probably been more of a revolution: it’s an official HD video format, yet you can still go on using those dirt cheap DV cassettes you were using ten years ago. In fact, my only reservations against HDV are simply that I believe some distributors have reservations about it. It’s hard enough making a 90-minute self-funded movie, and even harder to get someone to represent that movie to distributors. So if, ultimately, the only thing that went against you was a lack of professional confidence in the camera format, then that’s a damn shame.

And then you read about what people are trying to achieve here on Alt Imaging using box cameras without the limitations of tape: personalised frame shapes/sizes, user-defined compression (or no compression), access to manual prime lenses, square pixels, 24p without pull-down. All these features are very attractive and you want them! Someone recently wondered if these efforts were a waste because the results might ultimately be too close to HDV: well, the possibility of above 8-bit colour depth offered by this latest Sumix camera should answer that. If the price is right, the Sumix might finally create the affordable independent revolution which only HDV has actually addressed and delivered so far. You’ll still need to have a GigE laptop, budget for more HDD storage, make your own arrangements to record sound, find lenses, maybe get a small monitor atop the camera, but the numbers might still work for you, I don’t know.

Technology has come to the aid of bedroom music-makers and serious amateur still photographers. For them the technical threshold has been met and the price is right. But the film makers are still waiting. Wayne Morellini has been championing the cause of affordable HD tools for years, but no one listens. I realise that some people will laugh at the idea of film production at the low level I am describing here, but I think with this latest Sumix camera, there will be quite a few people wondering what it might mean for their own film making plans. I like reading about the SI developments, because I respect the interactive company ethos and their courage to commit to film makers (it really is unusual, and I sometimes forget just how unusual it is). But at the same time, for me it is all academic, because at this early stage in my film career (meaning: I don’t have a film career!) I can’t afford to buy the SI-Mini; I can’t join in! If the price of the Sumix really is in the HDV arena, then it opens up the possibility of using a credible Altasans camera rather than just reading about one.

I wonder if Jose has heard about this…

on www.123macmini.com there is some information about upgrading mac mini's beyond the manufacturers warranty.

- replace internal disk with an external eSATA connector.
- eSATA replication works, so you can attach multiple external disks to the mac mini.
- mini-PCIe -> something else. I would love to add a firewire 800 connector.

eSATA + firewire 800 would be enough for my own HD camera system

Even if eSATA port replication doesn't work, we can use a firewire 400 disk for the boot disk and the eSATA for the data disk.