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Linda Schodowsky July 9th, 2004, 06:50 AM A couple months ago I asked about what type of mic to buy for my VX2000. I got a variety of answers. I went with the Beachtek DXA-8 (I already ordered it) and the Oktava. Since I already went over my budget with the Beachtek, I wanted to go lighter on the mic. A couple people suggested the Octava and it was mentioned the price would be around $100-$190. Now I see you can buy the Oktave in parts? I need to know just what parts to buy.
I really don't want to change my mind on the mic. I posted most of my questions in the VX2000 forum because of the mic issues with that camera, I felt the guys would give me good advice. I also posted another earlier than that in this forum. I know the Oktava is from Russia and will take about 8 million years to get to me (an exaggeration, of course!) Is there anyway I can swing this for $100 to $190? I hope so... I don't want to start from square one! Bryan Beasliegh was one of a few that suggested the Oktave and he said the cost would be $100-$190.
Help!
Cannon Pearson July 9th, 2004, 10:44 AM I think that the Sound Room(http://sound-room.com) is the official US distributor of Oktava Mics. You may find them at other places for cheaper, but I think that the Sound Room tests them and pics the best ones. Oktava's quality control is notoriously shakey.
You probably want the MC012 body and a supercardioid capsule. You may be able to get by with just the cardioid, but I found that the pattern on a cardioid wasn't quite tight enough. You can order the body with omni, cardioid, and super cardioid capsules or just get the basic body and order a separate super cardioid capsule if you find that you need it. I doubt that you'll ever need an omni capsule.
Linda Schodowsky July 9th, 2004, 10:58 AM Thanks...
By the way, I just got off the phone with Jason from at AVR. He told me that the Oktava is not the best mic for an "on board" mic. I looked up the past postings on this and he's right. Bryan told me previously that the Oktava was good, but not for on camera.
So NOW my new questionis this... has ANYBODY here used the Oktava on their camera? I wanted to purchase the hypercartoid with the Oktava, but, now, I'm wondering.
Is there any other mic out there suitable for on camera? My budget dwindled down considerably. Orignally I wanted to purchase the Beachtek 4 and the Sennheiser, but since I purchased the Beachtek 8, it narrowed my budget to nothing over $200.
Any recommendations will be greatly appreciated! I am dying to get this ordered. My Beachtek is on it's way (just got an e-mail). Hopefully something will come up! I don't want to use a boom for my mic (i am picturing something the length of a broomstick, etc.).
Oh yeah... I'm looking to do documentary stuff... along those lines. Working on stuff pretty much in the general area in front of me.
Bryan Beasleigh July 9th, 2004, 11:08 AM Linda
I've tried to explain that the Oktava is a modular mic. You can buy it with an Cardoid capsule or you can buy a kit that includes an Omni, a cardoid and a hypercardoid capsule. these capsules just screw on the preamp body. One mic preamp (the body of the mic) can be changed to whatever pattern you need by screwing a different capsule onto it.
An omni capsule gives 360 degree coverage, a cardoid about 120-180 degree and a hypercardoid about 90 degree.
I've always advocated buying the mic at a responsible retailer and in the US that's the Sound Room and the prices arec as i posted 193 fot the Oktava preamp body and the cardoid capsule. the kit which includes an omni, a cardoid and a hypercardoid capsule is 299US.
Everytime some one mentions the sound room someone else always chimes in that they bought the same mic fot $50 to 100. These prices are found at various guitar centers. The quality consistency of these bargain mics has also been questioned
If you don't understand what the various components do, then don't buy them until you're clear on their function.This article should clear things up.
http://www.dv.com/features/features_item.jhtml?LookupId=/xml/feature/2003/rose0203
Here's what I would do.
Go online at www.oktava.co and get the number for the sound room. Order the $193 Oktava cardoid kit. get it and try it out. later if you'd like a hypercardoid , then buy one for $64.
No muss , no fuss and you know that the sound room backs the mic as being a quality instrument.
or deal with a GC clerk that chances are wouldn't know a cardoid from a hole in the ground.
Cannon Pearson July 9th, 2004, 12:14 PM I use the MC012 on my camera with a beachtek DXA-6 and the hypercardioid capsule with decent results. I'm sure that the Oktava isn't the best mic for the job, but for under $200 I don't know how much better you can do.
I didn't buy the Oktava for this purpose. I bought to record my guitar. It just happens to be the mic that I have, so I use it on my camera and generally get much better results than with the on camera mic.
Linda Schodowsky July 9th, 2004, 01:29 PM Thanks Cannon, and thanks Bryan!
Cannon... thanks for filling me in. So you're happy with the Oktava on camera. That's good to know.
Bryan... you've been very helpful and I do understand the basic concept of microphones. And I do agree with you about finding the right place to buy something! Quality is important to me! I guess I'm just spazzin out here in Cleveland... too excited about the Beachtek coming to me! I might have been thrown off a bit and assumed the Oktava was a on camera type mic when I first posted a couple months ago and it was suggested to me.
Anywho... I'm looking at my latest Digital Videomaker mag and it talks about mics. Hmmm... gotta keep the budget down. The mag doesn't talk about the Oktava though. Oh well, I'll still watch for any other suggestions out there in the meantime.
Matt Gettemeier July 9th, 2004, 04:34 PM There are 3 posts going here that could have been one post... it's all the same topic.
I thought I offered some answers to all this in another thread... is that wasted time?
I realize that we all offer a combination of opinion and experience... and I don't want to step on any toes... so I won't restate my whole reply that's already in another post...
I'll still recommend the premium selection from the Sound Room... but if you're considering low-end Azden shotguns 'cause you're out of cash... then I don't mind pointing you to GC and taking a chance. If you end up wanting to complete the kit (to effectively have 3 different mics) then you'll end up spending the extra cash at the Sound Room anyway.
I use an Oktava hyper on-cam a lot and have no complaints... for some uses another TYPE of mic would be better... but this one gets the job done a lot of the time.
BTW we all use a lot of different mics... you'll find out the hard way that there is NO one mic that does everything well. Eventually you'll share the opinion that a MINIMUM mic kit will include at least 3 different choices.
Linda Schodowsky July 9th, 2004, 04:44 PM Thanks Matt... I appreciated your advice and didn't mean for my questions to be carried out in 3 seperate posts. I was trying to keep on-topic so I posted seperately but I got a little carried away with the Oktava stuff.
This thread is no longer really necessary!
Bryan Beasleigh July 9th, 2004, 09:45 PM Linda wrote
**"By the way, I just got off the phone with Jason from at AVR. He told me that the Oktava is not the best mic for an "on board" mic. I looked up the past postings on this and he's right. Bryan told me previously that the Oktava was good, but not for on camera."**
Linda, Jason is a salesman and is into digital studio gear for music. he knows nothing about DV audio.
**"So NOW my new questionis this... has ANYBODY here used the Oktava on their camera? I wanted to purchase the hypercartoid with the Oktava, but, now, I'm wondering."**
Matt and Greg Winter use it on camera. I know of at least half a dozen people on these threads that use it on camera. So long as your not jumping all over the place, you'll be ok. Will this be indoors or out?
**"Is there any other mic out there suitable for on camera? My budget dwindled down considerably. Orignally I wanted to purchase the Beachtek 4 and the Sennheiser, but since I purchased the Beachtek 8, it narrowed my budget to nothing over $200.**
The Oktava is a good start, the only other mics that i'd look at are
the AT's (835 preferably the 897)
Glenn Chan July 9th, 2004, 09:49 PM Linda, did you also budget for a shockmount and windscreen?
Those two accessories will also really improve your audio quality.
Linda Schodowsky July 9th, 2004, 10:47 PM Thanks Bryan & Glenn:
Glenn - the shockmount and sock I can work on later. I can work improvise in the meantime - fabric and rubberbands :)
Bryan - the mic will be used both indoors and outdoors. Yes, I saw a picture of Winter with his modified Sony and it mentioned the Oktava as his mic. Oh yeah... I got your e-mails, haven't opened them yet!
Thanks again... sorry for seeming spastic and posting several e-mails for one topic! I'm more stressed at figuring out which mic to buy than I was when I bought my vx2000!
Matt Gettemeier July 10th, 2004, 06:53 AM <<<-- Originally posted by Matt Gettemeier :
BTW we all use a lot of different mics... you'll find out the hard way that there is NO one mic that does everything well. Eventually you'll share the opinion that a MINIMUM mic kit will include at least 3 different choices. -->>>
I'm restating this 'cause you shouldn't sweat a $200 (or less) mic purchase too much. After you get whatever mic you get... you'll do a project... then after hearing what sounded right and what didn't... you'll ask why whatever mic you got didn't work in "X" situation... then I'll say that you needed a "____" mic for THAT job.
If you cared enough about the picture to get a vx2000 then you're eventually going to accept that you'll need a few different types of mics anyway.
4 years ago I thought a Sennheiser me66 @ $350 was INSANELY high dollar... then I bought an ATR55 for $60.
Between 2-3 years ago I got tired of the crappy sound I was getting and bought an me66 for $380...
Last year I got tired of the crappy sound I was getting and got an AT4073a...
This year I thought, "screw it", and I got an mkh416...
Next year, maybe a Schoeps or mkh50...
Frankly the 4073a is the first shotgun that I think is really good on this list... but I've also bought around a DOZEN other mics in the last year! Mics of ALL types... I read something on dvxuser.com that I felt was a good analogy... Think of golf... Golfers have a bag FULL of clubs... usually around 14 of 'em. Can you imagine a golfer asking, "what club should I get?" Well you can probably sink a put with a driver, and you can probably tee off with a putter... but I'll bet you get less then satisfactory results in both situations.
Don't sweat your mic choice... no matter what one you get you're going to quickly learn what you like about it and what you don't. Some complaints can be resolved with improved technique and some will simply require another mic.
Linda Schodowsky July 10th, 2004, 09:38 AM Thanks Matt...
I am totally in the dark when it comes to audio (obviously). Like the forum description says - audio is 70% of everything you see. When it comes to photo (video is pretty much the same)... I know enough to be selective (I attended an art institute years ago and studied photography). There's alot to learn. I have some film/digital video books here that give some basic concepts on audio. This forum has helped... but it still is very overwhelming!
Thanks for the help... I've simmered down somewhat. I will probably go with the Oktava. Bryan gave me some sound clips and also steered me enough to want to lean towards the Oktava.
Does the actual mic come with the cartoid, or will I have to purchase that seperate?
Matt Gettemeier July 10th, 2004, 10:23 AM YES! The mic comes with the cardioid cap, a mic mount that you'll never use, and a 10db attenuation cap that you can screw into the body between the cardioid cap and the body... I never use that either... but if you record a lot of drag races or shouting contests then maybe you'll use yours.
The omni cap and hyper cap can be purchased seperately... from the Sound Room ONLY... nobody else sells these caps seperately... NOBODY... in the USA anyway. If you decide you want those later they will cost you around $70 EACH.
The OTHER way (of only TWO ways) to get an Oktava mic is as a 3-cap KIT which will include all 3 caps.
So it's up to you... get it as the Cardioid ONLY Kit... or as the 3-Cap Kit... either way you'll get a complete, ready to use mic...
I saw others mention shockmounting and windscreen protection... be prepared to deal with both of those issues however you want to... since you're running out of money and you mentioned some work-arounds I won't get into a bunch of pricey recommendations... but I will say that I think part of the reason I have so much success with an Oktava on-cam is 'cause I bought the HYPER cap and I use a K-Tek shockmount and Rycote BBG/Jammer... those two items together cost more then the mic!
If you can rig something in the meantime then you should be okay.
I'm glad to hear that you're back to wanting the Oktava... I can't speak for Beas, but I'll bet he was feeling as frustrated as I was when you asked about the lowest end Azden mics. Both he and I have come a LONG way in the last year regarding audio for video... Beas is at the top of the chart on audio quality now. A full-budget hollywood movie doesn't get better sound! Really. And when people who put their time and money where their mouth is time and time again give you advice... it's disheartening to hear that their experience is competing with a Videomaker ad... There are a lot of factors that go into what makes a mic good, or even great. Specs don't mean everything. Go check out Ken's comparison of the me66 and mkh416... the specs appear better on the me66 but listen to his clips. Which one SOUNDS better? Mics are funny like that... sometimes what makes a mic good or bad doesn't show up on paper but you can easily listen and judge for yourself.
Linda Schodowsky July 10th, 2004, 12:11 PM Matt... thanks so much! I'm glad you're passionate about your work. It helps us "newbies". As for Videomaker... the magazine is helpful to those of us needing tips and "how-to" stuff - especially if you're "green" when it comes to digital video. In this buyers-guide, they did not list the Oktava. Probably because they do not deal with them - as in advertisements, etc. Or, because Oktave is exclusively offered through only a few distributers. As for the Azden... maybe it was the burrito I was eating! :) (which was good, by the way)
Thanks again... I will probably go thru Sound Room instead of Jason. I did put in a call to them yesterday... left a message and haven't heard back.
Bryan has been very helpful. When I asked about mics a couple months back, he was more than helpful... he recommended an Oktava back then, and he's the one who told me to go with the Beachtek 8. The Sennheiser looked good to me - but that was back when The Beachtek 4 was on my mind. Alot of other suggestions seemed really good too. Back then, I posted originally in "Now Hear This" - when I bought a real crappy mic from Sony. I later posted in the "Sony VX" forum since many people deal the the crappy audio - hiss, etc. with the VX2000. Both times, I got good results.
Thanks again!
Jay Massengill July 10th, 2004, 12:14 PM You do have your choice of caps when getting a single cap Oktava from the SoundRoom. If you go with a lower-priced untested vendor, they only offer the cardioid if you're getting a single capsule. Since you're hoping to use this mic mostly for on-camera mounting, then I'd recommend the hypercardioid to start out. I'm about to order one myself from the SoundRoom. They are also currently offering the cardioid cap by itself for only $50.
Best of all you can return the mic within 3 weeks if you aren't satisfied.
When I get mine I hope to test it against the AT4053a, Rode NT-3 and the AT873r. Among those 3 mics the only one that would fit your criteria is the AT873r. I like this mic alot, but I've never tested it directly against the Oktava. I feel it would be a worthwhile alternative but I'm not going to say for certain how the character of the sound from the two mics compares since I haven't listened to them side by side. I am pretty certain the Oktava would be quieter (self-noise) but would suffer from greater handling noise. From what people have described to me the Oktava would sound a little richer but the AT873r would probably have a little greater clarity and a brighter sound.
I think either would be a worthwhile investment for a first step in the situation you've described.
Linda Schodowsky July 10th, 2004, 12:27 PM Uh Oh... what to do, what to do. Cardoid vs Hypercardoid. I am at their website right now and popped back here to make sure it was the Cardoid that Bryan and/or Matt recommended - it was. Now I just read your post Jay.
Hmmm... let me think about this. Hypercardoid... I do see that Sound Room gives me the option of selecting the capsule...
Update... sounds like I'll go with the hypercardoid... I checked the past posts. I'd be better off starting with that just in case I feel the cardoid might not be enough and I need another mic. I just have to double check on the price. My budget sucks right now. I am already going $100 over what my husband thinks I am spending! :)
Update... just ordered it. Bryan, Matt - I went with the hyper just in case I thought the cardoid wouldn't be enough. The price was the same - and later I can add on. Cannon, Jay, etc. Thanks alot!
Matt Gettemeier July 10th, 2004, 04:06 PM Thank God Linda... you did the right thing. I don't think I ever recommended the cardioid OVER the hyper... In FACT, I specifically said that if the Sound Room would let you order the Oktava with the Hyper ONLY then DO THAT... and you DID... thank you... two handfuls of my hair thank you... If I'd read that you thought I said to get the cardioid INSTEAD of the hyper... I'd have clutched my head and pulled...
Since the Sound Room offers the 1 cap Oktava with the Hyper there is OFFICIALLY no reason to go anywhere else.
As I said in another post... I use the hyper cap 90% of the time... and the 10% I use the cardioid... the hyper would have been ALMOST as good anyway.
Linda Schodowsky July 10th, 2004, 04:15 PM Yeah Matt... that's what I meant. Hyper over Card. Now I just have to sit around and wait a couple weeks, according to their site.
I wonder if Jay will order soon...
Jay Massengill July 10th, 2004, 06:38 PM Yeah I ordered today too. Since neither one of us is ordering matching pairs hopefully the wait won't be anywhere near that long. I'll post when I receive mine and when I've done my testing.
Bryan Beasleigh July 11th, 2004, 12:04 AM I had no idea they sold the Hypercardoid with the preamp. They must do that one themselves because okta package the preamp, 10db pad andpreamp together.
That's great news
Linda Schodowsky July 14th, 2004, 09:56 AM Yipee!!!!
My Octava just arrived! Now I have to figure out how to connect it... guess I'll search the board. Thanks again everybody for the suggestion, I'm glad I listened to you all.
Jay... let us know when yours comes
Patrick King July 14th, 2004, 12:23 PM One thing I haven't been able to determine from the promotional pics of the Oktava MC012, is how it connects.
Does an XLR cable connect directly to the base of the mic?
Linda Schodowsky July 14th, 2004, 12:42 PM Yeah... it does. I just went out and bought a 15 ft. mic cable at Radio Shack. It'll come in handy down the line. I'm hoping to get something way shorter.
Is it acceptable just to plug in the mic directly to the Beach-tek?
Correction... I came back and edited this. I meant to say 15 ft cable NOT 1 ft! :)
Bryan Beasleigh July 14th, 2004, 07:12 PM 1.open the battery bay and insert one fresh 9 volt battery.
2. With Pwr switch OFF. Attach the beach to the camera and plug the right angled mini into the mic jack.
3. Very carefully screw the capsule onto the mic preamp. Plug the female XLR into the Oktava and the male cable xlr into the Left female XLR on the Beach.
4. Turn on your VX2000/2100 and set the audio to 16 bit manual and adjust the gain to 25%. Jack your headphones into the camera
5. On the rear of the DXA-8 set the Mono /Stereo switch to Mono or "M" and set the ground switch to G2 (for now anyway)
6. On the front of the Beach, switch the Left channel 48V switch to the up position (phantom on) and the LMT (Limiter) switch to the up or on position .
7. Turn the left channel gain all the way counterclock to "0".
8. Turn the power on, phantom will take a second or two to power the mic.
9. By now the dratted 5 min timer will have shut the camera down so turn it back on and bring up the audio monitor (camera meter)
10. Whilst saying witty phrases, adjust the Beach DXA-8's gain until the camera meter hits -12 and peaks at 0.
11. Excitedly run out and insist the husband, cat, dog , neighbours and any passing pedestrian have a listen.
12. Ask your husband to say something into the mic. When the level is adjusted so that he averages -12 and peaks around 0, hit him wherever it will cause some pain and watch the limiters kick in. The red light over the gain knob will flash whenever the limiter is activated.
;--) enjoy
Patrick King July 14th, 2004, 07:34 PM Bryan, that was a great set of step through instructions. It was so good I almost want to go buy that particular equipment set just so that I'll actually know what to do when I have it. You and other good folks like you are why some of us frequent this board. Thanks from a bystander!
Linda Schodowsky July 14th, 2004, 08:21 PM Thanks Bryan!
By the time I hopped back to this forum I already played around a bit with my camera... nice sounding mic! The instructions were good enough that I cut and pasted them into my textedit and saved them.
I went ahead and ordered the $9 cable from B & H. My local Radio Shack didn't have anything but a 15 foot cable... which I bought. I can use it later on if I want to boom something.
The camera now weighs a ton so now I need one of those thingamabobs that is like a harness for support. But that will have to wait. Next on the list are my shock mount and wind sock! Until now, I am figuring out how I can improvise. And no... I cant plug the mic in directly to the Beachtek.
Still haven't heard from Jay... I wonder if he got his yet.
Jay Massengill July 14th, 2004, 08:31 PM Yes I got my Oktava today too. Very good sound quality and I've done some preliminary testing between it and a Rode NT-3, AT4053a and an AT873r.
Somehow I never realized how small the Oktava is. I'll have to be investing in a new shockmount soon. It will fit an AT8415, but that only leaves room for the very minimum wind protection.
It's definitely true that you need more than the minimum wind protection for this mic!
The AT873r had a similar character to the Oktava in the testing I did today but the Oktava has a bit more reach at the bottom end so it does sound richer overall. It's also substantially quieter than the AT873r (yea SoundRoom!). In a practical sense though I've never had a problem with the self-noise of the AT873r, so unless you really need a small, VERY LOW-NOISE, MODULAR, inexpensive mic, I'd probably continue to recommend the AT873r for the general user. It's much less prone to handling and wind noise and easier to protect on both those fronts too.
The NT-3 is also very low noise, but sounded thin in the bottom end when used at a distance and compared to the other 3 mics. Of course in some situations that's a good thing. The NT-3 is a great value that can run on battery or phantom and can also do ok for voice-over when used close up. Too bad it's so large and heavy for use on a boom or camera-mounting.
Lastly the AT4053a has the most balanced sound, is quiet, small, light, has very low handling noise and can use traditional wind protection methods. It's one drawback is the $430 price tag (although it is modular too).
It's a very good mic, but I'm not sure it warrants that much additional money on sound quality alone. It is better, but not 2x or 3x better for certain. You will save money though if you already have a suitable shockmount and wind protection. I'll be spending some extra for that for the Oktava.
I also bought the cardioid cap on sale for $50. I'll be testing it soon against the AT3031, AT4041, and a Rode NT5 as soon as that pair arrives.
Linda Schodowsky July 14th, 2004, 08:40 PM Jay...
Do you have a Beachtek 8?
Jay Massengill July 14th, 2004, 08:59 PM Nope I don't have one. The testing I did today used a regular desktop mixer and Sennheiser HD-280 headphones.
I do have a DXA-6, which has phantom power so I can try the Oktava with it. It doesn't have the extra features of your Beachtek like gain, limiters, etc.
Do you have some additional questions about using your mic with the DXA-8?
Linda Schodowsky July 14th, 2004, 09:04 PM Nope...
I've been well taken care of! Thanks much though.
Just gotta get a sock and mount. Found something on the 'net about using air conditioning filter for a sock... some other stuff too... for now.
As for a mount... I'll probably looking at velcro or rubberbands... in the meantime.
Too much money spent... hubby is pissed (or will be when he sees my creditcard bill... $100 over what I told him I would spend).
Sigh...
Bryan Beasleigh July 14th, 2004, 09:22 PM The K-tek KSSM with the soft rubber is the best shock mount for a short, light mic and about the most cost effective.
KSSM (http://www.mklemme.com/pole/ksm.html)
the KSM and KSSM come in an economy configuration without the second angle adjustment. I've attached the link to K-Teks price list. You'll do better at Trew or B&H.
K-Tek price list (http://www.mklemme.com/pole/catalog1.html)
The standard mount is $135 and the economy (without the second adjustable knuckle) is $85 and available with a dual angle 3/8 thread (K-DA-SSM) or a hot shoe mount(K-CAM-SSM)
Linda for your current need, I'd say the economy with the shoe mount would be the most effective. Don't forget to ask for the soft rubber mount. There is a big difference, the soft mount is perfect and was developed for the CS-1.
Linda Schodowsky July 15th, 2004, 08:48 AM Thanks Bryan!
For now, I will have to improvise. Got some ideas in the meantime... velcro, rubberbands. Velcro I can get at Jo-Ann Fabrics, or other places like that. Later on down the road I will take your suggestions and put them to use.
David Ruether has good suggestions regarding homemade windsocks, etc. On the web. can't think of the site. Funny, he mentions dvinfo.net. I don't see him as a member though.
Thanks again!
Linda Schodowsky July 16th, 2004, 05:33 PM Okay Oktava Guys...
I am using velcro strips in place of a shock mount til I get enough cash going again. Actually... it works well. I got a strip- about 1 " wide and 4" long on the Oktava. I put the matching strip right on top of the vx2000 mic. I then added 3 thick rubberbands for extra security. That'll work for now.
Windsock... I don't know if I can luck out as much finding a good substitute so I am probably going to have to get one before I get the shock mount. The wind is DEFINITELY an issue with this mic. It is VERY sensitive**
Matt... I read your writeup on the Rycote and Windtech. Good information. I probably would lean more towards the Windtech due to the fact that I have 4 cats and anything with fur or resembling fur gets quickly demolished or licked to death! I've been doing research and haven't reached any decision yet. Let me know what you guys think.
**The mic is great! It is so sensitive, it picked up the sound of my cat scratching himself, about 5 feet away from the mic.
Thanks again...
Bryan Beasleigh July 16th, 2004, 09:06 PM Try sandwiching a piece of hard foam between the on camera mic and the Oktava.
Jay Massengill July 16th, 2004, 10:10 PM A hotshoe to mic-thread adapter is also pretty cheap, $10 to $14 for a ready made one, less if you put together some parts from a camera store and a music store.
That wouldn't be a true shockmount, but it would allow you to use the clip that comes with the mic. And you could instantly remove it from the camera.
I'm going to have to order some wind protection soon, but for temporary use on interiors I'm using a screen from a mini-shotgun that came standard on an older camera. Any screen that goes on a mic that's 19mm in diameter will work. This includes lots of non-handheld Audio Technica's and other skinny mics. Even if it's from a long-shotgun, you can razor off a section from the front of 2 to 3 inches. This won't get you beyond a light breeze, but it's better than having the mic totally bare.
Linda Schodowsky July 16th, 2004, 10:22 PM Thanks Bryan and Jay -
I will invest in a good shockmount soon. I thought it would be easier to substitute a windscreen... wrong! I didn't realize how sensitive this mic is. I've been messing a bit with foam from old sony walkman earphones. Kind of hard to work with. In the meantime...
What kind of windscreens are you looking at? I would probably not want to go over $50 at the MOST.
Glenn Chan July 17th, 2004, 01:14 AM Strange idea:
On the BBC Online training site they recommend you use a condom on your mic when it's raining. I was thinking... would this work ok for wind too? (other than the looking really stupid part).
Strange idea 2:
Windscreens can be made with light meshy fabric (kinda like pantyhose). Would putting a similar material over the mic work ok?
Jay Massengill July 17th, 2004, 09:05 AM Do a search of the board here for Oktava and you'll get a lot of info on a wide variety of regular foam, two-piece foam and Baby Ball Gag mini spherical zeppelins and their relative effectiveness and costs.
There's a pretty thick screen available fairly cheap:
http://www.markertek.com/SearchProduct.asp?item=SG%2D200&off=50
The SG-200 is of course still too long but you could easily cut it down to a 2 1/2 inch length.
This foam still wouldn't be as effective as the more costly units under high wind and it would probably cut the mic's high frequency response a lot under indoor conditions. I guess you could call it a cheap solution that would split the difference for all situations.
Linda Schodowsky July 17th, 2004, 10:49 AM Thanks Glenn and Jay..
Glenn... hmm... verry interesting. Don't know about the condom though. ;) I am working on something today... taking the foam off of my crappy Sony mic. It maybe a bit snug though. Also will do some sewing from old sock material. Like I said... I don't want to improvise too long.
Jay... I originally did a search so I more thoroughly reviewed all the posts and have come up with some other possiblities from Windtech Thanks for the website... I'll be checking that out also.
Bruce S. Yarock July 18th, 2004, 07:56 AM Matt- You mention the K-tek shockmount .Could you give me the model number for on camera mounting the Oktava? ( I looked on B+H and they have several models).
Thanks
Bruce Yarock
Matt Gettemeier July 18th, 2004, 10:17 AM Here's the K-Tek mount that Beas and I both like:
Click HERE for the mount. (http://www.trewaudio.com/catalog/items/item633.htm)
Then you need a hot-shoe adapter to mount it to your cam:
Click HERE for the adapter. (http://www.trewaudio.com/catalog/items/item594.htm)
I used a short piece of 3/8" stud to join them... or run a half inch long 3/8" bolt through the top. You may want to tell the guys at Trew that you want to use that mount for on-cam. They're so helpful that I'll bet they can set it up for you to be totally ready to go out of the box. Sometimes it's amazing at the service you get for litterally just a few extra dollars.
Jay Massengill July 19th, 2004, 06:39 AM I got a better look at the actual specs of a series of larger foam windscreens that I mentioned in a previous post.
The SG-1 screen would be the correct internal diameter for the Oktava. You'd still have to chop it down to the correct length, but the fit would be correct and it's a cheap, thick foam for those on a budget. They are also less expensive at B&H than Markertek.
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