Has a 16:9 clip from the GS400

http://ad.impress.co.jp/tie-up/panasonic-dvc0406_2/

Here it is translated, sort of

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=ja_en&url=http%3a%2f%2fad.impress.co.jp%2ftie-up%2fpanasonic-dvc0406_2%2f

Forgot to mention, can someone disect this clip, seems like it might be progressive.

The interesting thing I see there is the chart which evidently illustrates how the different modes are mapped to the CCD's. It looks remakably similar to the Sony PDX-10 http://www.greenmist.com/dv/16x9/10.JPG and that would indicate high quality 16:9. I wonder if they're using the same chips? Didn't I read elsewhere that they are 1/4.7", like the PDX-10?

Boyd, the GS400 might even have Sony CCDs.

Both cams have 1/4.7" CCDS with 1070k pixels each. The GS400 is claiming that there is no vertical zoom to achieve its 853x480 widescreen mode.

What may be intriguing is that the GS400 has 10,000 more effective pixels under video mode, but 10,000 less effective pixels under card mode, compared to the Sonys. Could be due to firmware?

Hey Pat, this is the same ad-impress report I was referring to in the other thread. A similar report was written by the same person/company for the HC1000. So that writer/company has to be neutral ne.

Similar meaning equally laudatory? Neutral meaning equally well-paid?

I was on the gs400 pages of the Pana site and did take note of one thing, which may or may not mean anything. Pana was pretty careful in the manual for the gs100 to use the word "progressive" with stills only. For the gs400 web site, there's no use of the term "progressive" with stills, but there is in reference to video. Any possibility high quality 16:9 and true 30p on the Pana are responsible for the slow sales of the Sony? If what Kaku Ito said in another thread about being refused a commitment of 4 black gs400s because production would not be able to match the market the hype was creating, I'm beginning to wonder. (Yes, I know you're all debating whether there's real progressive or not. That's why I'm asking this question.)

(Oh, yeah, being totally ignorant of these things, I did assume those were the Sony chips, because Japanese companies do license various technologies to one another and sell each other parts. That's why I keep making snide remarks about vertical smear. So how will you all find out if they are Sony chips?)

So how will you all find out if they are Sony chips?

Easy, point the GS400 at a 250w bulb to see if we have been HAD.

:)

ROFL!!!

The clip won't play for me for some strange reason. Anyone know what codec is used for this? It's not listed for me on the properties.

<<<-- Originally posted by Robert Kirkpatrick : The clip won't play for me for some strange reason. Anyone know what codec is used for this? It's not listed for me on the properties. -->>>

It's MPEG2, similar to DVD. You need WinDVD or PowerDVD software which includes MPEG2 codec.

<<<-- Originally posted by Oliver Hu : It's MPEG2, similar to DVD. You need WinDVD or PowerDVD software which includes MPEG2 codec. -->>>

Thanks. I found a version codec online and downloaded it, and now the clip works well. The clip looks nice. If the U.S. version is the same, I think I've found my new camera. I didn't notice any interlaced lines, or lines/steps with motion. I just wish they did some faces though, to see what the skintone looked like.

I wonder how it compares to DVC30 footage. (I've yet to see any pro-cinema video clips from the DVC30.)

The mic however didn't sound too great. Beneath the wind and the background noise, I could still hear a bit of hum (or whatever the term is). But this might be the compression as well -- I'm still new to the technical side of things.

I think the clip is actually interlaced, but your player is deinterlacing it for you during playback.

I think the clip is actually interlaced, but your player is deinterlacing it for you during playback.

If it was shot in Pro Cinema mode then it would frame mode.

I wonder how it compares to DVC30 footage. (I've yet to see any pro-cinema video clips from the DVC30.)

You're going to get better low light performance from the DVC30's larger CCDs (1/4" vs 1/4.7") and much lower pixel count per CCD (410k vs 1070k). I would rather have the GS400 with higher resolution 16:9 mode and they both have frame mode and cine-like gamma.

Here are four comparison Pro Cinema frames from the GS100 and DVC30. Then to think that the GS400 will have a higher resolution 16:9 mode than the GS100.

Click here (http://www.villagephotos.com/pubbrowse.asp?selected=901419)

Tommy, I'd like to ask you not to take my visuals from my site and post them somewhere else. However, my blog made by iblog really screwed up and the page I posted these frames is gone, so you had to do this, I guess. But you should mention who these were shot by or mention the link of where you got these from. Please be carefull. I'm responsible for the rider's rights too.

Anyhow, GS400 does not have progressive ccds nor Sony ccds. GS400 uses memory to create (just like deinterlace, but not sure of the intervals) progressive like recording mode. I hear DVX100s have finer image because DVX100s have real progressive ccds. The footage taken by GS100 at "frame mode" is okay when you watch it with TVs but when I watch it on my 120 inch projector, the resolution is not high enough. I guess that footage taken by DVX100 would have finer image. I dedided to carry Canon XL2 as a dealer (over DVX100) and since the technology between DVX100 and XL2 is similar, I can tell you later (around end of Aug.) the differences between "real progressive video on progressive ccds" and the "frame mode on interlaced ccds".

Ah, Tommy, I found all the other articles that you were referring my stills with the credit. Thank you for all of your effort. The first one I looked at was the one without the credit.

I will make a comparison page with GS400 footage sometime this weekend.

<<<-- Originally posted by Kaku Ito : Tommy, I'd like to ask you not to take my visuals from my site and post them somewhere else. However, my blog made by iblog really screwed up and the page I posted these frames is gone, so you had to do this, I guess. But you should mention who these were shot by or mention the link of where you got these from. Please be carefull. I'm responsible for the rider's rights too.

Anyhow, GS400 does not have progressive ccds nor Sony ccds. GS400 uses memory to create (just like deinterlace, but not sure of the intervals) progressive like recording mode. I hear DVX100s have finer image because DVX100s have real progressive ccds. The footage taken by GS100 at "frame mode" is okay when you watch it with TVs but when I watch it on my 120 inch projector, the resolution is not high enough. I guess that footage taken by DVX100 would have finer image. I dedided to carry Canon XL2 as a dealer (over DVX100) and since the technology between DVX100 and XL2 is similar, I can tell you later (around end of Aug.) the differences between "real progressive video on progressive ccds" and the "frame mode on interlaced ccds". -->>>

11 videoclips by GS400 (NTSC) (http://fortvir.net/modules.php?set_albumName=GS400-Clips&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php).
You saw it? I am very impressed.

This guy's site is getting swamped and is in danger of exceeding the bandwidth limit he has. If you want to look at the videos, do the guy a favor and download them (right click, save target as) instead of streaming them. Many folks are looking at them repeatedley and running up the meter.

Be kind, rewind, er, or something like that!

Dennis Vogel

I get nothing-

Steve, Guy's website has exceeded its monthly bandwidth and the video clips will be back on August 1st.

FortVir really appreciates your interest in the video clips and pictures in our albums. However, the site has exceeded its inital alloted bandwidth and is about to exceed its extended bandwidth. So, I have temporarily removed access to the albums to conserve remaining bandwidth. The gallery will be back up on August 1.

A big thanks to Guy and his informative site. Its amazing how much bandwidth us video guys can go thru!

see one of the other threads. Guy has announced that he will no longer offer the clips as per Chris Hurd's urging. Apparently, everyone in the Canon camp is soooo nervous that the GS400 is providing such excellent image quality (690K x 3ccd EFFECTIVE video on 1/4.7" chips), there is a fear that no one will buy the XL2 when they can get 3 or 4 GS400's instead for the same money... er, isn't that the reason, fellas? :) Oh yeah, and some other baloney about intellectual property, copyright issues.

There is already a testimonial out of Japan that the normal, auto mode 60i 4:3 image quality of the GS400 beats that of the DVC30 hands-down.

And the procinema 30p frame mode is said to be "amazing."

We are patiently awaiting Japanese and UK GS400 owners who already have the camera in hand to post some clips somewhere and offer first-hand reports... But they have been so busy being blown away having fun using the camera, they don't have time to come here to read up on posts from the likes of myself who has to wait until the end of August to get one in his hands unless I take a trip to Europe or Japan!

The normal 4:3 image of GS400 being superior to DVC30 might be right. That is the impression I got comparing the two. There's a huge operation ability differences between the two, but the image quality difference beats the few inconveniences on GS400.

I finished capturing the video from GS100 and GS400 and now on DVC30, so wait a while. The clips may be reay tonight. What would be the ideal file size for everybody (at least most of you) prefer to download?
The maximum throughput I have is about 30Mbps.

<<<-- Originally posted by Mark Kubat : see one of the other threads. Guy has announced that he will no longer offer the clips as per Chris Hurd's urging. Apparently, everyone in the Canon camp is soooo nervous that the GS400 is providing such excellent image quality (690K x 3ccd EFFECTIVE video on 1/4.7" chips), there is a fear that no one will buy the XL2 when they can get 3 or 4 GS400's instead for the same money... er, isn't that the reason, fellas? :) Oh yeah, and some other baloney about intellectual property, copyright issues.

There is already a testimonial out of Japan that the normal, auto mode 60i 4:3 image quality of the GS400 beats that of the DVC30 hands-down.

And the procinema 30p frame mode is said to be "amazing."

We are patiently awaiting Japanese and UK GS400 owners who already have the camera in hand to post some clips somewhere and offer first-hand reports... But they have been so busy being blown away having fun using the camera, they don't have time to come here to read up on posts from the likes of myself who has to wait until the end of August to get one in his hands unless I take a trip to Europe or Japan! -->>>

Kaku, thank you for your reply!

Your feedback is exciting - wow - I was impressed by the DVC30, so if this GS400 turns out to actually be better...

A hiqh-quality clip makes the most sense because anything with quality compromised sort of defeats the purpose - even if it was only avail. as a zip for us to download and view locally, that might be the better option - you are sure to have a lot of interest!

How is the procinema mode 30p?

Kaku, thank you for your reply!

Your feedback is exciting - wow - I was impressed by the DVC30, so if this GS400 turns out to actually be better...

A hiqh-quality clip makes the most sense because anything with quality compromised sort of defeats the purpose - even if it was only avail. as a zip for us to download and view locally, that might be the better option - you are sure to have a lot of interest!

How is the procinema mode 30p?

Guy has announced that he will no longer offer the clips as per Chris Hurd's urging. Chris didn't "urge" me to do anything. I told him that I didn't have a copyright release and would not be putting the videos back up. He rightly declined to post them. Chris has generously offered to host video from the GS400 that doesn't have copyright issues. If you have some footage, please let him know. I, too, look forward to seeing more examples of what this cam can do.

Hence the smiley!

Please take no offense - although, I have to confess, I streamed more than my fair share from www.fortvir.net in light of being so excited by the clips you had kindly provided.

How very prudent of you guys to recognize the copyright issue - looks like we'll have to wait for first-hand clips via the likes of Kaku...

Guy, your albums were incredible in the sense of how they truly offered people here in North America a sneak peak - especially compared to the HC1000 etc.

I'm sure I am not alone when I say thank you - right now, Panasonic will more than likely be having more than one GS400 purchase from me when the time comes thanks to what I saw at www.fortvir.net - especially those "extra" clips more recently offered ever so briefly...

Guy, can you maybe come up with some instructions how we can all safely spray-paint our GS400s to be black?

Cheers!

Thanks for the kind words, Mark. Maybe I'll have some more videos, not copyrighted, when I get my bandwidth back in August.

Kaku,
I suggest encoding the files in WMV 9 at 1 Mbps, 720x480, but keep the file size around 3 MB. 30 Mbps is going to be pretty slow and the demand is highly likely to be immense (based on experience). I really encourage you to contact Chris. He said he has plenty of bandwidth for video.

BTW, there are pictures of the PAL GS400 down near the bottom of this thread (http://www.camcorderinfo.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=52262&page=3).

another way is to store the files on my dotMac site. But I will have to purchase extra disk space.

<<<-- Originally posted by Guy Bruner : Thanks for the kind words, Mark. Maybe I'll have some more videos, not copyrighted, when I get my bandwidth back in August.

Kaku,
I suggest encoding the files in WMV 9 at 1 Mbps, 720x480, but keep the file size around 3 MB. 30 Mbps is going to be pretty slow and the demand is highly likely to be immense (based on experience). I really encourage you to contact Chris. He said he has plenty of bandwidth for video.

BTW, there are pictures of the PAL GS400 down near the bottom of this thread (http://www.camcorderinfo.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=52262&page=3). -->>>

If all else fails there is always the Usenet (News groups). Could put them in a group like alt.binaries.mpeg

By the way, the Japan site has the 360 degree animation running now.

http://panasonic.jp/dvc/gs400k/

Thing is, the samples next month would be pitting procinema/progressive/cinematic samples taken using the new Canon XL2, the Pany GS400 and DVX100 and the Sony350 :-) :-( :-) :-(.

For visitors in Japan after August 20, try to get a copy of Digital Video No. 9.

Ok gotta catch my flight. see you guys from an internet cafe somewhere :-)

Looks like Robin Liss is going to post a review about the GS400 tomorrow on camcorderinfo. Check out what she said so far.

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/bbs/t104963.html

Don't forget to check dvspot.com, too, which has also promised a review during the next few days.

GS400 - superwide 2.35:1

Using anamorphic lens and GS400 16:9 mode I shoot superwide footage. The quality looks near professional when compressed to anamorphic DVD MPEG.
Source (http://www.videomax.ru/tests/panasonic_gs400/hires/superwide.jpg)
TV simulation (http://www.videomax.ru/tests/panasonic_gs400/hires/superwide_mini.jpg)

What kind of anamorphic lens you have? I could not find anything for the size of the lens.

<<<-- Originally posted by Mikhail Transact : GS400 - superwide 2.35:1

Using anamorphic lens and GS400 16:9 mode I shoot superwide footage. The quality looks near professional when compressed to anamorphic DVD MPEG.
Source (http://www.videomax.ru/tests/panasonic_gs400/hires/superwide.jpg)
TV simulation (http://www.videomax.ru/tests/panasonic_gs400/hires/superwide_mini.jpg) -->>>

<<<-- Originally posted by Kaku Ito : What kind of anamorphic lens you have? I could not find anything for the size of the lens.

Soligor Anamorphot is 37mm/52mm screw mount lens. (http://www.videomax.ru/tests/soligor/images/solig_nbox_big.jpg) (Made in Japan by the way)
For GS400 I plane to use 52/43 adapter ring. May be JOLOS.

Then, lens hood is needed for Soligor. I have not found it yet.

Mikhail-
Could you tell us some of the characteristics of the soligor lens.This is the first time I've seen this 16x9 lens and I did a google search and it sells for about 280 euros which is about half price of the century optics 16x9 which makes it very interesting. Also if you know any good european distributors ? thanks Kurth