Peter Jefferson
June 20th, 2004, 09:11 AM
Please see this file and have a look at the sporadic vertical lines..
I have marked the areas which are affected. The red surrounding is where this issue is prominant, Skin and lighter colours.
The yellow dots are locations of where (if zoomed in) you can see the lines and their effect. The camera settings are.
- Cine Gamma
- detail -2
- chroma phase-2
- master ped -2
- everything else zero
- skin detial - ON
- Matrix - cine
The tape head was cleaned, used for about 4 hours, then this was filmed after.
Gain was up to +12db due to the shadows and extreme low light.
Iris was set to auto due to constant overcast fluctuations.
White balance was also set to auto and i was filmin in interlacd mode. This is a PAL camera.
In good light, these phenomenon is not visible.
Other times it is.. Its' very sporadic, and in all instances, the cam was running in auto. I'm filming with the DVX, and capturing to Vegas and using an MX500 as the playback/capture deck.
Now, the yellow dots are start points of where u can easily see the stepping. Theres also darkker elemetns where stepping is NOT visible.. Now its not actual stepping, but a consistent vertical anomoly over the footage.
It does NOT happen with the MX500 footage
This still is taken from the Vegas timeline.
]http://www.austech.info/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=634397
and heres the doozy..
The next attachment is a still taken from paused footage directly from tape (using the MX as a deck again)
(basically i paused the DVX footage and pressed the stilll button for the capture.)
http://www.austech.info/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=634401
Now I don't know what it is?? I really don't think it's either of the the cams (56hrs total time for the DVX, about 100 for the MX)
But it seems to me that it's either vegas capture, a dirty head on the MX during capture, a dodgy firewire cable, bad encoding (which i doubt) or just the lossy of DV Avi...
Its really tragic because I have some really nice fotage marred only by this and when encoding to a VBR average 5k (1hr45min dvd) it is noticable
Any ideas if this anomaly would be the camera?? It's funny because the MX DOESN'T have this at all...
Should this be moved to Vegas Forum??
It's strange and its really disheartening as it's rarely noticable..
Here are a couple more pics..
Now one thing I noticed was that in jpg format these lines aren't as noticable, but even with that, I still can't find ANY anomaly on the raw material..
http://www.austech.info/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=634406
http://www.austech.info/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=634408
And interestingly enough, here's one I found raw..
This shows the anomoly slightly (zoomed on on PBZoom direct from cam) from the raw material..
The jpg I think is what is hiding this so well.. but on TV, it's impossible to notice due to the low res of a CRT TV..
http://www.austech.info/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=634417
Oh and heres another perfect example of the anomaly gone...
http://www.austech.info/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=634421
This ones raw as well..
I have marked the areas which are affected. The red surrounding is where this issue is prominant, Skin and lighter colours.
The yellow dots are locations of where (if zoomed in) you can see the lines and their effect. The camera settings are.
- Cine Gamma
- detail -2
- chroma phase-2
- master ped -2
- everything else zero
- skin detial - ON
- Matrix - cine
The tape head was cleaned, used for about 4 hours, then this was filmed after.
Gain was up to +12db due to the shadows and extreme low light.
Iris was set to auto due to constant overcast fluctuations.
White balance was also set to auto and i was filmin in interlacd mode. This is a PAL camera.
In good light, these phenomenon is not visible.
Other times it is.. Its' very sporadic, and in all instances, the cam was running in auto. I'm filming with the DVX, and capturing to Vegas and using an MX500 as the playback/capture deck.
Now, the yellow dots are start points of where u can easily see the stepping. Theres also darkker elemetns where stepping is NOT visible.. Now its not actual stepping, but a consistent vertical anomoly over the footage.
It does NOT happen with the MX500 footage
This still is taken from the Vegas timeline.
]http://www.austech.info/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=634397
and heres the doozy..
The next attachment is a still taken from paused footage directly from tape (using the MX as a deck again)
(basically i paused the DVX footage and pressed the stilll button for the capture.)
http://www.austech.info/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=634401
Now I don't know what it is?? I really don't think it's either of the the cams (56hrs total time for the DVX, about 100 for the MX)
But it seems to me that it's either vegas capture, a dirty head on the MX during capture, a dodgy firewire cable, bad encoding (which i doubt) or just the lossy of DV Avi...
Its really tragic because I have some really nice fotage marred only by this and when encoding to a VBR average 5k (1hr45min dvd) it is noticable
Any ideas if this anomaly would be the camera?? It's funny because the MX DOESN'T have this at all...
Should this be moved to Vegas Forum??
It's strange and its really disheartening as it's rarely noticable..
Here are a couple more pics..
Now one thing I noticed was that in jpg format these lines aren't as noticable, but even with that, I still can't find ANY anomaly on the raw material..
http://www.austech.info/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=634406
http://www.austech.info/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=634408
And interestingly enough, here's one I found raw..
This shows the anomoly slightly (zoomed on on PBZoom direct from cam) from the raw material..
The jpg I think is what is hiding this so well.. but on TV, it's impossible to notice due to the low res of a CRT TV..
http://www.austech.info/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=634417
Oh and heres another perfect example of the anomaly gone...
http://www.austech.info/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=634421
This ones raw as well..