Would there be any problems using these two programs?

Any other recommended effects programs?

Thanks

The two programs can be used together. To move video back and forth, however, you really need to export to Uncompressed AVI.

As an alternative which works directly with Vegas' timeline, you might want to take a look at Boris Red. Or, give us an idea of what you're trying to accomplish and the may be even more alternatives out there.

Thanks Edward -

I don't have anything specific in mind I'm just at a software purchasing stage and was looking for an additional program that was strictly effects oriented. Any ideas are welcome, I just looked
at AE because I see it so much.

While I normally do not post links to other forums, here's a thread discussing this very topic:
http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=291350&Replies=5&Page=0

Edward, is the reason for exporting back and forth using Uncompressed AVI simply to avoid any loss of quality due to numerous compressions?

Lastly should uncompressed AVI run at full size display at full frame rate on a relatively quick system?

*I only experimented once with Uncompressed AVI. I found it's incredibly large- much larger than the original footage it was created from- and seemed to not play at 100% frame rate while the preview window was set at best full...if my memory serves me correctly*

No. The real reason is so that each is better able to read the other's output properly. And, yes, uncompressed is HUGE - the reason AE should only be used for SMALL segments.

As an alternative, you could frameserve from Vegas to AE but I believe you still have to render to uncompressed to get back to Vegas.

Why After Effects will have problems with footage output from Vegas encoded as "Video for Windows- DV AVI"? I always thought even the footage captured in Vegas is DV AVI?....

I have no first hand experience with AE and am simply going by what I have read about others having problems with. I'm sure some other options may work - this is the safest one (albeit largest one).

Edward wrote:

>>>give us an idea of what you're trying to accomplish and the may be even more alternatives out there.>>>

I have one effect in mind which, having seen DSE's recent Sony Showcase presentation makes me believe Vegas could do this better than AE:

Simulate an underwater view, so that it appears the camera is shooting through "shallow" clear water, not deep ocean water.

Any quick solutions for the less technically minded non-proffessional Vegas user?

Thanks,

Brian

I believe he has a tutorial for that on the Sundance site. Specifically, try this one: http://www.sundancemediagroup.com/tutorials/heightmap.htm

Edward wrote: >>>>try this one:

Edward, two words:

WAY COOL!

Brian

So what else is there, Boris looks good, anything else?

Michael,

Are you simply wanting to know what plug-ins are available for Vegas?

Yes sir, want to research whatever is available and recommended.

Thanks

I have several listed on this page:

http://www.jetdv.com/tts/forums.htm

Perfect - Thanks Edward

I was under the impression that AE was a huge effects suite that greatly expands creative capabilities but I'm finding many
discussions that indicate that there are only a few things that would go beyond what's in Vegas. I think I'm not seeing all the
tools in Vegas yet. It sounds like Boris would integrate better
anyhow.

Boris definitely integrates better. It can work directly from the Vegas timeline OR work standalone.

Perhaps if you could give a specific example, we could tell you how that could be accomplished straight from Vegas. Vegas does NOT do 3d extrusions so creating text with depth cannot be done without a 3rd party tool. However, Vegas DOES have very extensive compositing options including 3D. It really is very powerful once you scratch below the surface.

I think I need to get deeper in Vegas before I can provide an example. My thinking was analogous to say, music. Let's say I have a device that edits/records music, it offers reverb and delay.
I would go looking for an effects package offering, chorus, flange,
compression, etc..etc..

That's how I was approaching this.

Vegas is amazing in its ability to do a little of everything---But if you are getting into heavy FX and composititing, I recommend a dedicated program like AE---it really is alot more powerful.