Chris,

I convert to 1920x1080p with Adobe Media Encoder at 29.97. Are you saying that it's not actually re-timing? I guess to really know is to see if my audio recorded on a Zoom H4n looses sync after a while.

I am saying that from what Cineform and Canon tell us, the camera records at 30P, 30 fps, not 29.97. Cineform says they adjust the footage to 29.97. In the process, they have to adjust sound a bit too, to match, and they do in without pitch change. In that way the footage conforms to mother 29.97 material that comes off most video cameras shooting at a nominal 30 fps.

...In the process, they have to adjust sound a bit too, to match, and they do in without pitch change...I believe that Cineform simply resamples the audio to the slower rate. The pitch changes, but a 0.001 change is not significant.

As an easy example, try cutting and pasting into the config file after downloading 0.1.6. This will give you a good starting place ...

Do I paste over the entire contents of the config file or do I paste at the beginning or end????

Do I paste over the entire contents of the config file or do I paste at the beginning or end????

Overwrite Entire contents

ML is working great! Is there a certain CMOS temp in which we should become alarmed? I was only using it about 15 min and the temp was steadily going up. I do not know what normal should be????

The 5D2 includes a warning if the camera gets too hot. I have only seen this once. I had the camera on a tripod with direct sun on the LCD screen. I turned off the camera for a couple of minutes in the shade, and started shooting again without problems.

If you don't see the warning, I wouldn't worry about it. If you do see the warning, please note the temperature and post it. :)

So, I have two recommendations: 1) shade the camera on hot days - especially into the lens or LCD, and 2) pop the battery after every use of ML, just to be safe. On one occasion, I forgot to pop the battery, and the battery was drained by the next afternoon. I found that the habit is easily developed. The time I forgot to pop the battery, a friend was operating it and he turned it off...

Hi Tramm,

After all these months of knowing about Magic Lantern I've finally started messing around with it (mostly for having correct cropmarks) and I love it! I can't wait for the next release for all the new options!

I love that I finally have cropmarks for 2.35:1 that shows in both LiveView and recording (my Marshall crops don't work correctly obviously with 5D feed and that's frustrating!!). FYI the image and cropmarks display correctly in both liveview and record on my 21" FPD2185W Gateway monitor using a HDMI to DVI cable. Also, in case you didn't know, I can get my Marshall LCD720P HDMI to work with ML during recording only if I put it to the 1:1 option. However the Marshall display is messed up during LiveView, but I knew this was an issue already. Can't wait for full HD during record for use on my LCD70P Marshall. Oh BTW using this Gateway monitor is great because there is a zoom option on the monitor and so even though it's a bit pixelated you can fill most of the screen with both the LiveView and recording output at zoom which is nice. Of course a monitor this size is only practical in certain filming situations obviously.

Well my point to this post is I was wondering if it's possible to have under-exposed zebras as well as the over-exposed? This would really help me because I tend to film more on the dark side of things and want to know when I've lost detail in the shadows. I don't know if under-exposed indicators are common in filmmaking (I come from the still side of the galaxy) but the way my brain works it would be very helpful to have on screen as well.

Thanks and I really appreciate all your hard work!!!

Well my point to this post is I was wondering if it's possible to have under-exposed zebras as well as the over-exposed?

This is important, as the LCD is not a good indicator of shadow details. On our recent 48 (Dream Job), we put some light in the "van interview shots" and were convinced that it would still be dark in there. As it turns out, the interior was quite bright.

Frankly, I think a waveform monitor might be better though for giving an idea of the level of texture in the shadows.

Can we just take a sec here to once again acknowledge what a FREAKIN' complete GOD Tramm is because of this firmware. Thanks.

This is important, as the LCD is not a good indicator of shadow details. On our recent 48 (Dream Job), we put some light in the "van interview shots" and were convinced that it would still be dark in there. As it turns out, the interior was quite bright.

Frankly, I think a waveform monitor might be better though for giving an idea of the level of texture in the shadows.

Yes...waveform...please!

I would like to see solid release, auto boot up and full HDMI output on record. Looks like timing of that based on previous releases should be due soon. Who will release first Canon or Magic Lantern?

Complications are involved in getting to the new release. As the software gets more complicated, the more the chances of problems and bugs arise. Tramm's goals are extensive for the next release, and I see this akin to moving from juggling 3 balls, to getting the software to juggle 10. It may take 30 times the work to get it there.

Add to that the release of the 7D, where a lot of research is now also being expended, and you can understand why the coming of a new Magic Lantern update for the 5D is slower.

I think the urgency is lower too. We have fixed audio gain, audio monitoring, zebras, rack focus and a bunch of other stuff. The one other killer feature would be HD monitoring via the HDMI port, but there were some problems during proof of concept testing. If that had worked, we'd probably have had a release to add that feature alone.

Anyone using the Rode NTG-2 with ML? I'm running the NTG-2 through the JuicedLink CX231, and was wondering what the optimal settings would be.

audio.mgain = ?
audio.dgain.l = ?
audio.dgain.r = ?

My policy is to set the digital gain to 0dB to maintain all the bits. I run the JL at 100% on the high setting. It set the m.gain (analog gain) to +10 or +17dB. That's a good starting point.

If the sound is always too low, turn up the analog gain. If the sound is occasionally too hot, turn down the JL for those moments. If the sound is always too hot, turn down the analog gain.

So show your appreciation by making a donation at http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/canon-eos-5d-mk-ii-hd/237686-magic-lantern-firmware-donation-link.html!

Does ML work with a MAC?

It runs on the camera, so the computer doesn't matter. As long as you can download the files and put them on your CF card, you're good to go.

Thanks Tramm for your hard work....I have much fun using the ML on a wedding gig last Saturday... just one question in regards to using an external mic, audio was being recorded even though mic (Rode) was turned off, so was it recording using the built in mic.

Once again thank you very much and I do hope that Canon will integrate ML in the coming firmware upgrade.... Please Canon!!!

If you want to use an external mic with ML, you must enable the external mic through the ML setup screens. The key takeaway is that unlike the stock firmware, where the external starts getting used the second you plug it in, ML will use whatever source is switched on regardless of whether a mic is physically plugged in or not. I learned that the hard way, but hey, at least I remember now!

Hello guys,
I have tried out the firmware and was very impressed by rack focus. It worked very smooth and nice.
But, noise and hiss are still there. I am using Rode VideoMic and settings from ML firmware manual. However, it seems that overall volume becomes lower and thats why I do not hear the hiss anymore. But when I increase the volume to be able to hear whats there (in quick time or in final cut using audio levels), the hiss comes back and as prominent as without the firmware.
Is there something I am doing wrong?
the setting I have
output vol 6
anlg gain = 10
audio.dgain.l = 18
audio.dgain.r = 18
agc OFF

You want a hotter mic or a preamp, like a juicedLink.

I usually choose
output vol 0 (I have a Boostaroo headphone amp)
anlg gain = 10 (sometimes 17)
audio.dgain.l = 0
audio.dgain.r = 0 (choosing non-zero reduces headroom/dynamic range)

You can see and hear the juicedLink here:
Part 1: Boom Mic - vimeo.com/5370880
Part 2: Camera Mounted Mic - vimeo.com/5388476
Part 3: Wireless Lavalier - vimeo.com/5443143
Part 4: Foley - vimeo.com/5453690
Part 5: Noise - vimeo.com/5474562
Part 6: Conclusions - vimeo.com/5903379

1. Canon 5D Mark II Audio Exposed - Boom Mic (juicedLink, Zoom H4n, Microtrack II, BeachTek) on Vimeo

I suppose this is a dumb question, but is there a manual for the latest version of Magic Lantern? I've crawled all through the wiki, but can't find anything that looks like a manual. There seem to be a lot of neat features, but it would help to know how to use them. Please don't tell me I have to sit through all those slow-loading videos to learn how to use it.

Martin

Martin: This is a manual I started at the Wiki, and that has had Wiki style upgrades from others, particularly the main developer Trammel Hudson:

Magic Lantern 0.1.6 User Manual - Magic Lantern Firmware Wiki (http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/Magic_Lantern_0.1.6_User_Manual)

Thanks Chris. That answers a lot of questions. Just got a 5DM2 this weekend, and have been feeling my way through the Canon instructions before tackling Magic Lantern.

Martin

The new Canon 1.2.4 firmware is not compatible with Magic Lantern 0.1.6. I've updated the FAQ (http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ#Firmware_1.2.4_warning) and added a note on the download page. (http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/Release_0.1.6#Download_link) Only Canon firmware 1.1.0 is supported by Magic Lantern 0.1.6.

I'm confused about the ML versions versus the Canon Firmware updates. The lastest from canon is now 1.2.4, I can update to that and still put ML on top of that, right?

Also, do I need to update firmware every time I fire up the camera when using ML?

No, as is indicated in Tramm's post above, Magic Lantern does not currently support the latest firmware. You will need to revert to 1.10 to use Magic Lantern. I believe Magic Lantern is awaiting the 5D upgrade which includes the frame rate changes before moving forward with a new upgrade. Hopefully we will see the frame rate upgrade in the next month or so.

As to your second question, yes. You keep in on your cards, and load it after start up under 1.10. I look at Magic Lantern as a program running within the 1.10 "operating system" adding functionality to it. You won't necessarily need it for every shooting situation, but when you do, its nice to have it.

Perfect! Thanks! Sooo excited about the 24p update. Although, doing it post is not that bad I guess.
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OK, now I'm embarrassed that I didn't see Tramm's update right before my question.

30p to 24p is a worst case situation.... unless you are will to slow down play back to 24 fps. There are really no great methods to get a 30p to 24p conversion and that is why the Canon 5D owners have been pressing Canon to get 24p to the 5D

Hi

does anyone know of a source for downloading the Canon D5 Mark II 1.1.0 firmware.

I read that it is possible to revert the 1.2.4 firmware back to 1.1.0, can anyone confirm this.

Thanks

Send me a PM with your email, and I will send you a link through YouSendit.com

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the offer. I have managed to get the version 1.1.0 Firmware from the guy I am borrowing the camera from. Reverting the firmware was also very easy.

For anyone else interested, there is no trick, just follow the same instructions for upgrading the firmware. (just a note make sure that the camera is not in green rectangle mode when you do it).

Cheers,

DK

I have searched for the firmware for Magic Lantern,and I am not finding it, can anyone point me in the right direction? Also, is there any recent news about the latest developments? This is so exciting to see, just wondering if anything is new is close to being released...

Anxiously awaiting...

G

I found it with a simple web search.

Magic Lantern Firmware Wiki (http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/Magic_Lantern_Firmware_Wiki)

Cheers,

DK

What's the latest on the magic lantern for the 2.0.4?

Tramm
first thank you for all you work on magic lantern.
i want to over crqank the camera and shoot at 60p
could a future version of magic lantern facilitate this?
i hope so
aloha
tito

Yes guys, is there going to be a full version of ML or no thati s it?!

Thanks
Mitchell

I'm desperate for news on a Magic Lantern update. Is it coming or do I need to find other solutions? Anyone have any news?
Thanks in advance!

Would love to see a lite version of Magic Lantern that does ONE thing on the 5D; puts the audio overlay on the picture for audio confidence when in preview and recording. Done.

Just got into the 5D game and my cameras come with 2.0.7. Can anyone tell me what ML would add that 2.0.7 as yet doesn't? I'm assuming that I would need to revert to 2.0.4 for the moment?

Thanks,

Jus.

Hi Justin,

Things have been strangely quite here in the ML forum... (just read Trammell Hudson's "State of the Lantern:1 year anniversary, so now I know why (It's worth reading - Magic Lantern Firmware Wiki (http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/Magic_Lantern_Firmware_Wiki)))

I'm also just starting to work things out with my recently acquired 5DmkII. I have been contemplating reverting to the 2.0.4.

My reasons would have been mainly to get rid of the audio hiss in the 5DmkII with the current FW. ML made (makes) it possible to get good audio quality. So, for quality in-camera recording would be my main reason for reverting.

... Another nice feature I miss is the lens-focus-distance overlay.

But the revert to 2.0.4 for us Europeans means losing the option to shoot 25 fps. 30 fps is actually fine, except for the added post work involved in getting it conformed in order to combine it with other 25fps footage.

I've actually just decided to invest in a Zoom H4n to solve my audio worries. So losing the option for 25 fps, in exchange for the lens-focus-distance overlay doesn't seem like to worthwhile trade off.

It's too bad that Canon decided to fight the moding of thier new FW. I'm very happy with the camera, and I was looking forward to developments in the open source community in connect with it, but that doesn't look like it is going to be happening anymore for the 5DmkII. So if you want to play with ML you will have to revert. Make sure you download a copy of the 2.0.7 FW update and have it handy if you want to update quickly. I don't know if there are any issues with reverting though. I guess if there were, there would be posts about it here.

I hope this helps you.

Cheers,

DK

Daniel,

Thanks for the response. I also have a Zoom H4N as one of my audio recorders. Was it just the audio and frame rate that differentiated the ML FW from Canon's? If so, that's not so bad and I'll stick with the 2.0.7.

I'd be happy to pay some cash for the ML stuff. It seems invaluable work and they deserve it. Perhaps up to $US250. That might be an unpopular idea but I wonder how many productions these guys have already helped?

Cheers,

Jus.

My understanding is that the new frame rates (including 25p) was added in 2.0.3. 2.0.4 was released a day later to repair a problem with the Custom (C1, C2, C3) settings. 2.0.7 fixed a problem with aperture flicker on some lenses (especially the 100/2.8) when zooming.

To use ML, one would need to load 2.0.4 first. You won't lose 25p. You can get ML at the link at the bottom of the first post here:
0.1.8-alpha for 2.0.4 - Magic Lantern firmware development | Google Groups (http://groups.google.com/group/ml-devel/browse_thread/thread/2a6663190943190f?hl=en#)

The most valuable additions (IMHO) are 1) Lower noise audio settings, 2) live audio meters, 3) headphone monitor output, and 4) live zebras.

Jon,

Thanks. I don't think I'll have any flicker issues as I'm running Zeiss ZF manuals. And thanks for the useful info. Live zebras would be excellent and live audio levels are a must for non-Zoom shooting I guess.

Is going back to 2.0.4. painless? Does one update in the usual way? Does anyone have a source for 2.0.4? I can only find .7. Is that deliberate?

Cheers,

Jus.

Hi Jon,

I just took a quick glance in the discussions on the ML google group site. There is a recent entry with the title "waiting anxiuosly for ML 1.0.8". From reading that entry (which hasn't been replied to yet) it sounds like there is no 25 fps when using FW 2.0.4.

Are you sure that reverting back to 2.0.4 won't result in losing 25 fps? If that is really the case, then I would consider reverting as well.

Unfortunately, (like Justin) I don't have the .dmg file for 2.0.4, since I only recently got my 5DmkII.

....

Hey Justin,

would you consider starting a new thread with your impressions about your Zeiss ZF manuals? :')

Daniel,

I think that 2.0.4 includes the European frame rates. That's my understanding. But would anyone here be kind enough to send me the file?

Re. the ZFs - I have a job at the end of the month where I will get to use them. I could write up something on my return. I have the 18, 28, 50 Makro, 85 and 100mm Makro. I'd really like to get a 21 and 35mm from them but they'll have to wait. Handling and casual use is very reassuring so far. I have used the 50mm Makro with my EX3 (using a Letus Ultimate and also an SG Blade) filming interviews with excellent results.

Jus.

2.0.4 definitely supports 24, 25, and 29.97p. Magic Lantern does not affect frame rates.

You will definitely not have aperture flicker problems with a ZF lens.

I've never upgraded to 2.0.7, so I haven't downgraded to 2.0.4. I assume that the process is the same as for any other firmware update. I don't have a link to 2.0.4.

Justin, With the 28/2, 50/2, and 100/2, you have three of the most transparent, flexible lenses out there. I have access to the ZE 21/2.8, 35/2, and 85/1.4. The 21/2.8 is especially great for landscape photography and interesting architectural perspectives.

On the other hand, the 21/2.8 is a bit of an odd duck for video. It's not crazy wide, but it's not as neutral as a 28mm view.

A wider lens, like a fisheye, 16-35 or 18mm lens is very obviously wide to the audience. People "get" that it's used for effect. A normal wide can be used without the audience giving the view a second thought.

The 21mm view presents three challenges: 1) when you pan, the corners "suck in", which draws the eye away from the subject, 2) when people walk in from the near sides of the frame, their legs get stretched when they are near the corners, and 3) when standing on level ground, and focusing on somebody, say, 15 feet away, if the aperture is open, the foreground can look soft, while the rest of the frame is in focus. This third case is a situation where shallow DOF does not look attractive.

On the other hand, when you want a nice wide establishing shot, want to force perspective with a static shot, or need to "get it all in", the 21/2.8 can be really cool. And for landscape photos, it's as good as it gets.

But, back on topic, does anybody have a link to 2.0.4?

Jon,

Thanks for the confirmations. Interesting notes you make about the 21mm. I'd like to see that foreground soft focus effect. For me, that would have limited applications (perhaps for non-factual content). The 18mm would be for some establishing shots of the Ethiopian Highlands where were going. Was spectacular last year. Hope to capture it better this year.

I'm also investigating the world of M42 lenses, assuming they'll clear the 5D mirror.

Anyone with the 2.0.4 still in their download folder they could forward to me?

Jus.

Here you go bro. I happen to have it on my desktop

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Thanks Thanh!

nice.

Cheers,

DK