The HC1000 will replace the TRV950.

http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/handycam/PRODUCTS/DCR-HC1000/index.html

Is that a DV cam or a MPEG2 cam? If it's a MPEG2 cam it won't kill anything.

It's a MiniDV cam.

Possibly a GS400 victim :-)). Sony is feeling the Pany low-cost 3CCD pressure ne?

Is this new Sony small and good for good video like pv-dv953 and mabe gs400? How much for this new Sony? Costs more then pv-dv953? Small and easy to hold for run and gun home video? What is the specs for this baby? Good low light and big zoom and big ccds and ois?

The HC1000 will replace the TRV950? The HC1000 looks like it will compete with the GS70/GS120/GS200. Look at the pic! It's a GS70 look-alike, a copycat cam and probably no better than the GS200. The only difference is that it will be sold as a Sony, and as a Japanese Domestic for a year before it finds its way to N.A. But by that time, it will most likely come somewhat stripped and with a higher price tag. :-))

I think the HC1000 looks more like a Sharp cam because it has a rotational grip.

But it looks like a GS70 & family type, with small chips and all. :-))

It looks like it's time for Allan to chime in on this one! Interesting and now a little competition for Pana.

What do you think?

Allan can offer little feedback other that what he can translate for us, since this cam is not yet out. Sound familar? Anyways, it's pic doesn't look anywhere near as good as the MX5, GS100 and even the GS400. It's just another low-end 3-chip---Sony's "copy" for the popular GS70 to get back into the action. Sad, ain't it?

What Sony should do is "fix" the TRV950 and PDX10, meaning make it easy to hold and perhaps carve away some of the plastic. Bluetooth's gotta go too, like we are using it. :-))

If this thread would have been in the Sony forum, my opinion would have been very different, praising this new beast like there's no tomorrow. :-))

heh i like the look of this cam. its black though frank. it would be great if it did give pana some competition because just imagine that extra low price competition we would get our cheap cams even cheaper. I would still buy pana unless this cam was leaps ahead because i don't like the standard cold colors of the sony.


Justin

I'm still waiting to find out more about the GS400, like whether it'll be as good as the all-J GS100 or better. If it's not, then I'll go promoting the 5-year-old MX3000, and for our PALS, the MX350. Sound good? :-))

Wait! Maybe those other companies will come out with a good 3-chip---but better than the GS100? I don't think so, but you just never know. If only the PDX10 weren't so big and HAD frame mode and HAD Pana color saturation and HAD a Leica lens. :-))

The HC1000 seems to have two very positive things, that theoretically should make it a strong competitor for the DV953 and possibly the GS100: the zoom lens is Zeiss (which no other Sony 3-CCD cameracorder is offering) and the CCDs are 1/4.7".

And this important information is no speculation, as several threads on this Forum over the GS400 seem to be based on.

Optical zoom is also x12, like it will be in the GS400.

So I think it is a Sony response to Panasonic's better options for the serious amateur, who is not willing to spend all that money on a PD170.

A ridiculous question now: what sort of number is 1/4.7"? Isn't there a fraction that can better express that number?

Why doesn't Babelfish translate the HC1000 page better and only a small part of it? Isn't that Japanese?


Carlos

1/4.7" = .212"
1/6" = .166"

I don't see a big difference in size.

Why doesn't Babelfish translate the HC1000 page better...? Probably because most of the specs are missing or babblefish can't read Japanese too good. :-))

Babelfish translates text in html, not text in pictures, i noticed as well.....

babelfish does a pretty good job of translating japanese to english, it's just that the understanding of the japanese and the english translations are different, babelfish does a literal translation of the characters it sees, where as Japanese one character may have several meanings. depending on the context of the sentence. i hope that helps a little

it looks like sony is playing catch up with this camera, besides Leica lenses are reputed to be the worlds best. so i think i'll stick with the Panasonic camera for now

<<<-- Originally posted by Frank Granovski : 1/4.7" = .212"
1/6" = .166"

I don't see a big difference in size.
-->>>

Not big but considerable. 28% percent more.

At least a step in the right direction, instead of going down to 1/8".


Carlos

Yes 1/4.7 is more bigger and this is good.

thanks for that tom that was great. i big help i didn't realise till now

Justin

Actual specs are at www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/handycam/PRODUCTS/DCR-HC1000/spec.html. 37 mm filter thread size, 780g (w/out battery, I think) which puts it in the weight range of the gs100k. No BT, Frank, so they heard you. Even comes with Mac compatible software. There's an accessories page, also, with several WA lenses and several teleconversions - and a wimpy looking mike with a white (or pale) muff that seems to be connected with the 5.1 surround sound. You can see a reference to VAIO; could be tied to use with Sony's computers.

Question: why isn't this all being discussed in the Sony forum? I saw a few remarks, but remarkably little enthusiasm.

i find that most forums apart from this one lack enthusiasm and there is not as much info as there is on this site.

Justin

heh i think that the 5.1 in this cam will present problems. how do they stop noises like breathing etc being picked up. For those that like to dub also this means that you wont be able to because the channels used for dubbing will be used. another thing is that the best quality recording will be 12db. That probably wont be a problem to most people because they will dub with their computers and most people probably only shoot with 12db instead of 16 or whateva it is. I speak for myself here.

Justin

Question: why isn't this all being discussed in the Sony forum? I saw a few remarks, but remarkably little enthusiasm.Yes, Boyd is waiting with open arms. :-))

It's good to talk about the competition here, so we can tear them apart. Actually, comparing with the competition will makes us Pana owners stronger. This forum is a cult, after all. :-))

I hope those aren't pods in the background. (Ooh, that was ghoulish. Sorry.)

"Body Snatchers" (?)

Worse. The cult members in California a few years ago who all got into their "pods" to follow their leader to the great beyond.

28 percent more is a lot in a small video camcorder. Cults are no good. They suck you in and steal your money. I wish to never belong to any cult. If this place is a cult I do not believe it. I just want good camcorder information from here and Panasonic. I think Panasonic is best. The more I come and read here the more I want one. I have to go now but I will be back tonight.

28% bigger, but with 24% more pixels...
so there you have it, no difference at all if it's not for the number of pixels.

Sony Japan rates minimum lux requirement at 11 lux. I'd bet Sony N.A. would rate it at 6 lux or lower :-))

I'm not too impressed with the look, and am unmoved until I see 16x9, SONY!!!

I'm not too impressed with the look, and am unmoved until I see 16x9, SONY!!!

Yeah, the look leaves something to be desired but more than likely it will have the same high quaility 16:9 mode of the PDX10 since they are both 1/4.7" 3CCD with 1070k pixels each.

First review:
http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/sony-dcr-hc1000-camcorder-announcement-trv950-05_10_04.htm

Chris has a post in the real Sony forum (as opposed to the shadow one this has become) citing the 16x9 reference on the Sony web site (though how anyone can work their way through babeled Japanese is beyond me). Funny it's not really played up in the listed features. From a marketing standpoint, though, the really interesting thing is how Sony is tying this new cam to its new VAIO. Kind of like what Panasonic was trying to do with the SV-AV100 and its companion dvd player. Maybe Panasonic will do what I'm really waiting for: upgrade the SV-AV100 so I can have a real lipstick cam that is more capable than the AV100!

Okay, first one to provide definitive proof that the HC1000 has bilingual (Japanese/English) menus, good color and no vertical smear gets a copy of my favorite mpeg4 file shot on the gs100 - the one I can't edit because it's wmv only. (Actually, I refuse to dump it because it's of folks singing and the sound is amazingly good for a little cam.) --Oh, yeah, looks like the HC1000 is a top-loader, so if it's got bilingual menus and no vertical smear, I'm defecting and recommending it to my sister for purchase.

Mikhail, is that an actual review or just as re-written bablefish translation? Did they/him/her actually have one in their hand to test it for the review. If not, it's not a review but a mere announcement.

I think the HC1000 will be at least as good as the TRV950, plus native 16:9 and slightly better low light performance. I love the competition between Sony and Panasonic~! :)

I think the HC1000 will be at least as good as the TRV950, plus native 16:9 and slightly better low light performance.Either it'll have the same CCDs as the TRV950 or it won't. If it has less CCD pixels only then, I think, will it have "slightly better low light performance," but then it's video resolution won't be better.

<<<-- Originally posted by Patricia Kim : Chris has a post in the real Sony forum (as opposed to the shadow one this has become) citing the 16x9 reference on the Sony web site (though how anyone can work their way through babeled Japanese is beyond me). Funny it's not really played up in the listed features.

Patricia, this cam definitely has HQ widescreen mode similar to PDX10 and PC300/330. It's in the website.



From a marketing standpoint, though, the really interesting thing is how Sony is tying this new cam to its new VAIO.

It seems the new 5.1 ch audio will work only with proprietary software installed in a VAIO and you need to record using that pom-pom looking mic.



What if I can get you a definitive proof that it has NO multi-lingual support, will I still get anything??? :-)) But don't bother Pat, this cam will most probably be released worldwide as well. There's is even a possibility that Sony will release a variant with 3.5" LCD for the overseas market, similar to their strategy with the TRV38 and HC85 (which were never released here). You know, small size is KING is Japan

Sony good color: that's totally subjective

No Vertical smear: No chance :-) Get a GS120 if you want the least vertical smear :-)))))

Yeah I think it will be a top loader (assuming it followed the Sharp and JVC HD cam design for the rotating grip).

Probably trivial but it has been a long time since Sony Japan last set an MSRP for a Jap model miniDV cam? This one is set at JPY176,000, which I think is good starting point.

<<<-- Originally posted by Frank Granovski : Either it'll have the same CCDs as the TRV950 or it won't. If it has less CCD pixels only then, I think, will it have "slightly better low light performance," but then it's video resolution won't be better. -->>>

On paper, the HC1000 is better than the 950 in terms of low-light: 11 lux against 15 lux (I'm using Sony Japan ratings)...probably due to Sony's Megapixel Engine???

I think the HC1000 will be at least as good as the TRV950, plus native 16:9 and slightly better low light performance.

I still say it'll be a slimmed down PDX10 and thats not a bad thing. It would be even better if the vertical smear up and disappeared. Low light should be about the same as the 950 and PDX10 since the CCD size and pixel count is the same unless you factor in Sony's version of the Mastsushita Crystal Engine.

All they have to do is make the maximum gain say 24db instead of 18db and you would have a camera with "better" low light capabilities. The reason i say this is because by what i understand, gain is a software thing and we all know that on paper it all sounds good but the picture with gain up that high would be rediculous. another thing to note also is that they might have developed better noise reduction software etc so they might have better lux ratings because of that. I am pretty sure that the vx-2100 has the same ccd's as the old however it has slightly better low light performance than the other.

Justin

"All they have to do is make the maximum gain say 24db instead of 18db and you would have a camera with "better" low light capabilities."

...unless it has a lot of video noise. :)

exactly my point. note "better". It allows them to change the lux ratings so that on paper it all looks good

Justin

An extra record button on the left side of the LCD panel (open position). Isn't that cool?

wonder if sony will make a Qualia version of a DV or camcorder hmmmm now that would be sweet, out of everyones price range but nice to drool over

Surround sound aside (which it would be for my sister, since she's a Mac user like me), how's the on board sound on Sonys? I love the gs100k's sound capability. It really takes you a step beyond that kind of hollow, talking through paper cups sound you often hear on older vhs stuff, for example. In the several family jam sessions I've shot now, the sound has been the best thing (well, for the camera work, look who's been operating the camera) - even when the session is not miked. Think Sony's new baby could do that?

I agree about Pana's built-in mics on their 3-CCD cams. My MX300 has great audio---and now even better with my Apex 191, thanks to Bryan Beasleigh's advice. (My JVC's buzz like little bumble bees.)

The larger ccd has 66% more area, since it's the ratio of the ccd's areas ( .212^2 / .166^2 ) that we want to figure.

Which makes me ask: Don't the mfrs read these boards? 1/3 or 1/2 an inch is hardly a massive chip, even with allowance for the larger components around them. Having ONE model in a consumer line with such a chip should pull in sales for whoever makes it. It seems marketing at cam mfrs is more concerned about cannibalizing a very small % of their pro sales rather than pulling in many more buyers from other brands. Much like how GM was years ago. Even enabling the unused IR capability and converting it to B&W is worth something.
This is frustrating. I simply want to record video in ordinary, not staged settings - exactly the purpose of consumer video. Analog cameras of 10 years ago could do this. In my industry, a business will jump to fill a gap in the market. Here it looks like they see a need... and walk away. What's up?
/end rant


<<<-- Originally posted by Frank Granovski : 1/4.7" = .212"
1/6" = .166"

I don't see a big difference in size.
-->>>

Not big but considerable. 28% percent more.

At least a step in the right direction, instead of going down to 1/8".


Carlos

This is why I'm hanging on to my 1/3" and 1/4" CCD'd cams, and no one's going to talk me out of it. :-))

.33" verses .25" verses .212" verses .166" - and the more pixels there are's the smaller they are's. :-))

>Is that a DV cam or a MPEG2 cam? If it's a MPEG2 cam it won't kill anything.

Wouldn't MPEG2 at 25 MBits a second beat DV at the same data
rate, both with the same frame size?

We all know about MPEG2's higher compression and lower playback resolution. :-))

gs400 is dv video camcorder from I read what George said in post.