View Full Version : Can not make a decision: VX2000 or XM2?
Prech Marton May 8th, 2004, 12:06 PM The picture quality is the most important thing!
Nature, wildlife videos, sunsets, i want reach colors, high details.
Which cam is for me? Which one do you prefer?
Gerald Yuvallos May 8th, 2004, 01:08 PM Having tested both, I'd vote for the GL2. For nature and wildlife shots! The GL2's 20x zoom is more usefull than the low light performance of the VX2000... the GL2 also has a wider angle at its "widest" zoom. Picture quality is almost the same. The GL2 however produces a softer image.
Bill Pryor May 9th, 2004, 07:45 PM I'd go for the VX2000 (now the 2100) because of the 1/3" chips, which will give you a sharper picture and better quality in the details. If you need a longer lens, you can buy a 2X telephoto adapter. The GL2 (XM2 in PAL-land) is the best 1/4" chip camera available, in my opinion, but isn't a match for the bigger chips of the VX2100, XL1, etc.
Joe Lloyd May 9th, 2004, 08:11 PM Heh I'd go for the XM2, but only because I have one for sale! No seriously though both are great cameras it all comes down to preference. Go to a store and hold both and see which one feels better
Frank Granovski May 10th, 2004, 04:42 AM Go to a store and hold both and see which one feels betterThat would be the GL2/XM2.OK, Sony's CCDs are bigger, but Canon's lenses are better.Yes, bigger, but Canon's lens better? I'm sure they are both equally as good.
Perhaps go with the one that is cheaper. Keep in mind that if you go the other way, there's no end. They'll always be something better, if not right away, wait for newer models.
Have you considered a Pana DVC30?
Joe Gioielli May 10th, 2004, 09:47 AM Just thought I'd add my thoughts.
There is no such thing as a perfect camera. Most of the 3 ccd cameras are great and you won't go wrong either way.
I have the vx2000 and I'm very happy with it. Mine has undergone a fair amount of abuse with no ill effects. I am very happy with the picture quality, even in low light.
One of the things I really love about the vx is that it is very easy to use. There is no point getting a good camera if you are going to leave it on "auto." The vx is very easy to learn. The instruction manual is very easy to understand.
I think you will be happy with it.
Gerald Yuvallos May 10th, 2004, 11:31 AM oh since you'll be spending more time outdoors and possibly shoot handheld on most occasions, the GL2 is a bit compact and lighter than the VX2000... not only that, the GL2's weight is better balanced when used handheld.
with regards to the controls, I give it to the GL2 hands down. the locations of almost all the buttons are at the right places plus you get a zoom and record button on the handle. the VX2000 does have a record button near the handle but it is impossible to use it without significantly shaking your camera. the VX2000's remote control system has a big plus though since it has sensors in the front and back whilst the GL2 only has a remote sensor in front.
to make your choice easier, go to your nearest dealer and get a feel of both units. :)
Prech Marton May 10th, 2004, 12:24 PM Thank you guys!
I want to make a relaxing production in dvd format.
Most shoot will be not handheld, instead i have a manfrotto monopod. Optical stabilization work fine, i hope. When should i switch this off? Never?
"go to your nearest dealer and get a feel of both units. "
Yeah, but here in Hungary this isn't a possible way :(
I can order a camera, and when it arrives i pay.
Get a feel? Not in the dealer in this camera price range :(
A new question:
vx2000 has a really cool info lithium battery.
with canon's largest battery there is just a little 4 or 5 segment battery indicator.
If just 1 segment is lit, then i don't know how many capacity is left? 1 hour or 2 minute? Any idea?
Bill Pryor May 10th, 2004, 12:51 PM About optical stabilization--Turn it OFF when you're using a tripod. The stabilizer will give you a strange effect if you make a move while on a tripod.
Prech Marton May 10th, 2004, 12:59 PM Uhh,
i've read, electronic stabilization has negative effect to pictue quality and optical has no effect to picture quality.
If i have a triod (steady) and an optical stabilization (steady),
then steady * steady is NOT super steady?
Bill Pryor May 10th, 2004, 01:02 PM I think all the 1/3" chip cameras have optical stabilization.
Prech Marton May 10th, 2004, 01:08 PM Yeah, and the better 1/3 chipper :)
But what would you say with this?
(i just can't understand why turn it off, if i have a tripod)
Bill Pryor May 10th, 2004, 01:14 PM Buy it, try it on a tripod with stabilizer on, and you'll see what I mean. It introduces some strange overlapping blurriness to the image if you shoot with it on a tripod and try to make a move. T
Yohann Kouam May 10th, 2004, 01:15 PM the xm-2 has optical stabilization as well
Mike Rehmus May 10th, 2004, 01:15 PM You don't have to turn if off if you leave the camera locked down but if you move the camera while on the tripod, the SS can cause an artifact when you start and stop a pan or tilt.
Prech Marton May 10th, 2004, 01:16 PM "Yeah, and the better 1/3 chipper :)"
i mean:
"Yeah, and the better 1/4 chipper :)"
Luis Caffesse May 10th, 2004, 01:18 PM Image stabilizers (whether electronic or optical) are made to keep the image steady. So, any time the camera moves, the stabilizer tries to compensate for the movement.
If you're camera is on a tripod and you try to make a smooth pan, the stabilizer will counteract that movement. What you wind up with is a jarring start to the pan, and a jarring stop.
It is very difficult to make smooth pans and tilts with the stabilizer on, and your footage winds up looking worse for it.
Use the stabilizer if you are shooting hand held, or on a monopod maybe...but for tripod work it is best to turn it off.
-Luis
PS.
Sorry, didn't realize others had already answered this by the time I posted.
Gerald Yuvallos May 10th, 2004, 08:12 PM <<<-- Originally posted by Prech Marton : Thank you guys!
I want to make a relaxing production in dvd format.
Most shoot will be not handheld, instead i have a manfrotto monopod. Optical stabilization work fine, i hope. When should i switch this off? Never?
"go to your nearest dealer and get a feel of both units. "
Yeah, but here in Hungary this isn't a possible way :(
I can order a camera, and when it arrives i pay.
Get a feel? Not in the dealer in this camera price range :(
A new question:
vx2000 has a really cool info lithium battery.
with canon's largest battery there is just a little 4 or 5 segment battery indicator.
If just 1 segment is lit, then i don't know how many capacity is left? 1 hour or 2 minute? Any idea? -->>>
even with a monopod, a lighter unit is still better...
the GL2 has an estimated time left indicator similar to Sony's Infolithium system... you shouldn't worry about that :)
in my opinion here are the biggest strenghts of both units against each other:
GL2:
Better ergonomics
Better controls (controls are easier to access)
Lighter and a bit more compact
Wider and Longer Zoom range
Better Audio Quality
Better Audio Controls
VX2000:
Awesome Low-light performance
Has a manual zoom ring (although it is servo controlled - response isn't good)
1/3" CCD's
Roger Golub May 13th, 2004, 05:02 PM <<<-- Originally posted by Prech Marton : Thank you guys!
IA new question:
vx2000 has a really cool info lithium battery.
with canon's largest battery there is just a little 4 or 5 segment battery indicator.
If just 1 segment is lit, then i don't know how many capacity is left? 1 hour or 2 minute? Any idea? -->>>
The Canon shows you estimated battery reserves on the screen. I also have a Sony with the "Info Lithium" system and it's pretty much just hype. All the LiIon batteries have some teeny weeney little processor that controls the charging and can tell you about how much juice you have left.
Sony just makes a bigger deal out of it. Do you really need to know "how much" time in minutes you have left. You should be thinking about the subject, not the camera anyway.
My approach to this is to get a BIG battery (8 hours) and never have to worry about it.....
Frank Granovski May 13th, 2004, 07:14 PM I think all the 1/3" chip cameras have optical stabilization.My 2 DVL9500's have a 1/3" CCD but only DIS.Most shoot will be not handheld, instead i have a manfrotto monopod. Optical stabilization work fine, i hope. When should i switch this off? Never?I would switch it off when using a mono-pod.
Bill Pryor May 13th, 2004, 08:28 PM I meant 1/3" X 3.
Frank Granovski May 13th, 2004, 09:22 PM I know what you meant; I just had to slip it in. :-))
Bill Pryor May 14th, 2004, 08:53 AM Yeah, my BS detector was flashing yellow. Not all the way up to red, but definitely in the yellow zone.
Too bad nobody is making a single chip 1/3" chip consumer camera anymore...or does JVC still make that?
|
|