I just posted more info on what to expect from Sony Vegas 5 at NAB on the Sony Vegas Forums.

NAB is Ground Zero for Information and New Product Releases in our Industry. And some of us - including this forum's leader have lived in the trenches this past year to ensure the continued success and future of Vegas.

If you look down a few posts - you will see that I first broke the News of the Vegas Gettogether, a few days ago. There were not many replies on this forum. The replies seem to be centered on the Sony Vegas Forums - for which I just included the link - as per your request.



http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=266978&Replies=22&Page=0



Here is some more info on what to expect from Sony Vegas at NAB.

There will be a Special Vegas 5 and DVD Architect 2 Classroom - just across from the Sony Booth. The Classroom will have 20 seats with Sony Vaio Laptops - loaded with Vegas 5 and DVDA2.

There will be (8) 45 minute sessions of hands on Vegas 5 and DVDA2 Training and Feature Familiarization on each of the days of NAB.

The seats will be on a first come first served basis. This should be very popular with Vegas Users and Newcomers.

I am not auhorized to give out the specifics of Vegas 5 Features, yet. But, I am authorized by Sony to give you guys a heads up on what to expect, while there!

I would like to recommend to everyone that you consider joining the Southern California Vegas Group. There are special benefits and discounts that may be available to our members. You do not have to live in Southern California to participate or become a member.

--Jay Mitchell

Jay Mitchell

I, am the leader of the Southern California Vegas Users Group. And, I am always trying to improve All Vegas Users Experiences, Throught the World. My Record and Status with Sony - proves this to be true.

At NAB: My Group has received Authorization and Permission from Sony Pictures Digital to Videotape one of the Vegas 5 and DVDA2 Seminars and Edit it on Vegas 5 and Stream it to ALL OF YOU who cannot attend NAB.


Jay Mitchell

Jay,

Thank you for your efforts and DO keep this community informed of useful information.

Wish I could meet you at NAB. Hope the video turns out well and hope to have an opportunity to view it.

"I, am the leader of the Southern California Vegas Users Group"....

Welcome to the World Wide Web!

Anyone have any idea when DVDA2 is expected to hit the street?

Will

<<<-- Originally posted by Will Fastie : Anyone have any idea when DVDA2 is expected to hit the street?

Will -->>>


Yes. Someone does. However, anyone who does is not allowed to say. Anyone who says, doesn't know.

Oh, Edward, you're such a card!

I feel like I'm in court -- I'll rephrase: Will somebody who knows tell me when DVDA2 is expected to hit the street?

Will

V5 and DVDA2 are being launched at NAB this month.

I expect it to "hit the street" immediately afterwards.

I can assure you that I am not a Newbie in the Vegas Community.
And, Although I am not a Regular Poster on this Vegas Forum - I am Well Known and Respected for my Contributions to the Success of Vegas and the Professional Advancement of All Vegas Users, throughout the World. I Enjoy a Special Entrusted Relationship with Sony Pictures Digital.

Specifically, In this case - I was empowered to get Certain Information out to ALL VEGAS USERS and not just those in the Southern California Vegas Users Group, for which I am the Host and Moderator.

I have done alot of recognized work towards Vegas Users Group Involvement, Participation, Training and Enjoyment for this Very Special Vegas 5 NAB.

Here is just some of what I have done for All Vegas Users, including those in this forum.

I am responsible for making discount lodging arrangements possible for All Vegas Users to Attend NAB.

I, exclusively released the Info on the Sony Sponsored Vegas Users Meeting and Hosted Reception at NAB.

I, exclusively released the info about the Vegas 5 +DVDA2 Classroom Seminars at NAB.

I exclusively received permission from Sony to Videotape, Edit on Vegas 5 and Stream the Seminars to all of the faithful and loyal Vegas Users who cannot attend this important event, in person.

I will be making the First Broadcast of Vegas 5 Produced Content, from NAB.

I Just offered a Contest to Win a Free Copy of Vegas 5 +DVDA2 Production Suite to the Members of the Southern California Vegas Users Group.

I am involved in the Vegas Editors Certifcation Process, under development.

I do this Freely for The benefit of All Vegas Users, regardless of what Forum they are loyal to.

I'd Post a link - But, I'm a Newbie and Not to be Trusted.

Jay Mitchell

<<<-- Originally posted by Will Fastie : Oh, Edward, you're such a card!

I feel like I'm in court -- I'll rephrase: Will somebody who knows tell me when DVDA2 is expected to hit the street?

Will -->>>


Will, did you happen to get an e-mail from Sony???

Yes, Edward, indeed I did. I found it very exciting and am saddened that I cannot make it to NAB, although I should reconsider that.

One might presume from the email that 5+2 would be showing up promptly after NAB, as Peter suggests. However, it is not unusual for Sony to announce new products about a quarter before they are actually available. Information on those products shows up on Sony's sites, often with a "pre-order" option.

At this point, all we have is the email and the information posted by Jay at various forums. There is no official announcement from Sony, at least nothing I could find yesterday. Because there is only the "private" announcement and nothing public, I'm wondering about timing.

While I'm sure the improvements to Vegas 5, whatever they are, will be welcome, I'm most interested in DVDA2, both its features and its availability. I did not invest in DVDA1 because it fell short of my needs. The time is rapidly approaching when I will need the serious authoring capabilities. You can understand why getting the details of DVDA2 at the earliest possible time is important -- upgrading to Vegas 5 is a no-brainer, but there are options in DVD authoring. I'd hate to take another direction if Sony is going to provide the answer I need.

Will

don'tcha just love this forum?
what is it with this forum and negativity?
seems like people just can't leave one another alone without posting some criticism.
here I am, doing the same...sheeesh.

I wonder if DVDA2 will now be available separately. Also are the "gags" allowed to at least mention price? I'd like to know how much this uprgrade is going to co$t.
Lastly is the upgrade going to be just that..an upgrade. Or will it be a full new install which looks for a previous version of Vegas 4 before installing?

SoFo always provided a full upgrade. I can't imagine that Sony will change that policy. You can also count on the price increasing, substantially. SoFo undercharged for this product for years. I would suggest buying V4, now, and getting a break on the upgrade to v5. DVDA is not the best product in the existing version. There is MUCH better, available for the money. perhaps it'll be improved with this release, but, for my money, Ulead's MovieFactory is a much better product.

Oh I already have Vegas+DVD, I got it at an incredible price over at DVDirect.com for $299. It was at that price for a little over a week then it went up. I hope I don't have to spend more on an upgrade than I did for the programs themselves.

Bill, do you mean DVD Workshop 2? If so, I tend to agree and that's probably where I'm headed if DVDA2 misses the mark.

As for price, competition is extremely heavy at this price point (Adobe, Pinnacle, Canopus, Ulead). Hard to imagine too big a price jump or any at all. If I was Sony, I'd want to lock in the current base before I started mucking with the price. After that, fair game, but I'd still be interested in market share.

Will

yep...DVD workshop 2. sorry for the mis-info

<<<-- Originally posted by Will Fastie : Bill, do you mean DVD Workshop 2? If so, I tend to agree and that's probably where I'm headed if DVDA2 misses the mark.
I, personally, would like to see two things- end actions and multi camera angle support.

As for price, competition is extremely heavy at this price point (Adobe, Pinnacle, Canopus, Ulead). Hard to imagine too big a price jump or any at all. If I was Sony, I'd want to lock in the current base before I started mucking with the price. After that, fair game, but I'd still be interested in market share.
I don't know- if Sony priced it even "similar" to the rest (Adobe, Canopus, etc) expect a large price increase. If so I'll probably be spending the same amount on the "upgrade" as I did on Vegas+DVD itself.

Glen, I'm after DVD-9 (dual-layer) support and DLT support (although I wish the DVD replicators would come up with a way to take a DVD stream off a set of burned DVDs instead of requiring tape).

Sony's current price is $400 to upgrade from Vegas 3 to Vegas+DVD and $300 to upgrade from V4 to V+D. I'm wondering about the price for the upgrade from Vegas 4 to Vegas+DVD 5.

As for competition:
Vegas+DVD = $900
Ulead MediaStudio Pro + DVD Workshop = $1,000
Adobe Premiere + Encore DVD + Audition = $1,550 (or the Collection bundle for $1,500)
Pinnacle Liquid Edition 5.5 + Impression = $900 (not clear to me if this matches Vegas or Audition for sound)
Canopus Edius + Procoder = $1,000 (not clear to me if this gives full DVD authoring, but I don't think so)

Sony clearly undercuts the competition on price, the best way to build market share. But I guess there is a little bit of wiggle room.

Will

Will..

I can't answer your q's re: Ulead MSP. However, I suggest you contact Douglas Spotted Eagle, either at www.sundancemediagroup.com or over as a moderator on the audio forum, here at DVinfo. He's VERY familiar with MSP.

folks, it may have been bad form, but not bad motives.

He is referencing the official user support forum for Vegas.
If you are not a member there, how come? Sony support employees hang out there, Spot, myself and just about every Vegas user has an account there, and if not, they should.

I also have Acid Pro and Soundforge and go there to post and read posts. Great source for info on scripting and plug-ins too.


really folks, jeez.

Joe, I agree. Jay's motives are good.

Ive requested for a mod to edit this thread.

My apologies to those who misinterpreted my post, it wasnt meant to blow out the way it did, as it was as general comment,

I wasnt expecting it to turn ugly

I believe it was a reasonable comment based on the information provided at the time.

Thanks a lot Jay! That IS much appreciated. That you are allowed
to tape the event and put it online for us sad people who can't
attend is very very good news and I thank you for it. Can't wait
to see what is going to get released. Too bad I can't be @ NAB
myself unless Sony wants to fly me up <g>

Thanks Jay!

Rob,

We've got a team of 5 SoCal Vegas Users who are going make this happen for all of you.

The Stream will most likely be broadcast on Tuesday the 20th.

I will post more details and instructions for picking up the stream, once we have worked out all of the details.

Jay Mitchell

Thanks for the efforts in getting this out,
do you know if there will be a downloadable mpg of this?
Might make it easier for dial up users as well as those who are off a different time zone

Good Work JJJJJJJJJJJaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy! Let us know as soon as you have the url for the streaming! Jay isn't going to have any time to gamble--isn't that a primary reason for going ot NAB--LOL

Actually David - Vegas Takes The Gamble Out Of Editing :-)

--Jay Mitchell

"wish the DVD replicators would come up with a way to take a DVD stream off a set of burned DVDs instead of requiring tape)."

Actually many replicators these days accept DVD-R's as source masters for glass mastering and then replication.

<<<-- Originally posted by Jason Casey : Actually many replicators these days accept DVD-R's as source masters for glass mastering and then replication. -->>>

For DVD-9 (i.e., dual-layer)? Are you talking about DVD-R general media or (I forget what the other one is called) mastering/authoring?

Will

For dual layer I heard they often accept 2 DVD-R's.

I've heard that term before- what is "glass mastering"?

CD and DVD replication involves the creation of a master disk that is used to stamp the duplicates. The mastering machine exposes the data with a laser beam onto a glass surface, which is then developed and metalized. The metalized master goes to the stamping machine.

Rob, I'm a little out of the loop. You are right -- the replicators are catching up.

I checked DiscMakers. For DVD-5 and DVD-10 they will accept DVD general media. For DVD-9, they still require DLT, one tape for each layer. I'm thinking this might be less mechanical a requirement than an authoring issue -- maybe the authoring software doesn't yet know how to make anything but DLT for DVD-9.

I'll have to update my research. Thanks for the tip.

<<<-- Originally posted by Will Fastie : CD and DVD replication involves the creation of a master disk that is used to stamp the duplicates. The mastering machine exposes the data with a laser beam onto a glass surface, which is then developed and metalized. The metalized master goes to the stamping machine. -->>>

Is there any benefit to using this method? Or is it just a necessary part of the workflow for some duplication machines.

It's a necessary part of the workflow for ALL duplication of CD and DVD. Stamping is the only way to manufacture fast enough to meet retail demand.

It used to be that making a glass master was the most expensive part of the process, so much so that short runs were usually less expensive when done with recordable media (e.g., CD-R). I remember when the price break between 500 discs and 1000 was huge. Nowadays, the mastering equipment is mostly amortized, so the short run breakpoint is usually 300 discs. Even so, short runs aren't that expensive anymore.

For tiny runs, I've noticed an increasing emphasis on selling duplication systems and getting the customer to do it themselves.


By the way, the term "duplication" usually refers to copying discs to recordable media while "replicaton" usually refers to stamping and mass (non-short run) production.

We owe a great debt of gratitude to the commercial music and film industries, whose huge volume has driven down the cost of replication for all of us.

Glenn, check this site out for more info. It is a pretty good site that explains most of the workflow regarding replication:

http://www.disctronics.co.uk/technology/manuf/rep_master.htm

One of the Sony staff posted on the Vegas Forum that it would be a good idea to check the Sony website first thing Monday morning.....