View Full Version : Shooting at ground level ?


Tim Ribich
July 21st, 2009, 08:57 PM
Probably the info's here, but I can't seem to find the right search terms to bring it up...

I'd like to capture some walking shots with the camera at ground level. A "dog's eye (or cat's eye!) view so to speak. Appreciate someone pointing me in the right direction for such a contraption.

Tim

Cole McDonald
July 21st, 2009, 09:04 PM
This can be reconfigured to shoot upside down: $14 Steadycam The Poor Mans Steadicam (http://steadycam.org/)

Chris Soucy
July 21st, 2009, 09:11 PM
Can you be a bit more precise in your requirements?

Static? Moving? Variable height?


CS

Dave Blackhurst
July 22nd, 2009, 12:28 PM
Simple -
Monopod, held inverted, flip video in post - if you need or want the cam right side up, you can make a simple "C" bracket or Bogen has an articulating head that can be re-configured to turn the cam right side up. Once you get it balanced (it may tend to swing a bit, but fiddle with using two hands and you should get usable results), the weight of the camera will tend to give you pretty stable shots.

Tim Ribich
July 23rd, 2009, 08:03 PM
Can you be a bit more precise in your requirements?

Static? Moving? Variable height?


CS


Hi Chris,

For example, walking through a garden with the cam parallel and a few inches above the ground. A pet project I'd like to play around with at some wonderful gardens-- vegetable & flowers-- around here.

Tim Ribich
July 23rd, 2009, 08:09 PM
Simple -
Monopod, held inverted, flip video in post - if you need or want the cam right side up, you can make a simple "C" bracket or Bogen has an articulating head that can be re-configured to turn the cam right side up. Once you get it balanced (it may tend to swing a bit, but fiddle with using two hands and you should get usable results), the weight of the camera will tend to give you pretty stable shots.

re. "flip in post". Now why didn't I think of that?! Too easy I guess. [g] I'll have to give this a try with my monopod. Ideally I suppose it would be desirable to have a small monitor at a viewable position as well to be able to see what cam sees when there's not a clear line of sight-- moving through certain vegetation for example.

I can't quite envision how the articulating head you describe would work on the end of a stick? Have to do some more searches.

Thanks for the input!

Dave Blackhurst
July 23rd, 2009, 10:24 PM
It's a Bogen head - mine doesn't seem to have a part # on it, but it has two "knuckles" with knobs - either one will allow the camera platform to invert when you loosen the knob, saving the flip process - and you can usually see the camera LCD when used this way

Robert J. Wolff
July 24th, 2009, 04:48 AM
Mount the camera to a skate board. Roller skates work as well. It just depends on how much "shake" is acceptable for your work.

Dave Blackhurst
July 24th, 2009, 11:30 AM
as soon as you couple the cam to the ground, you'll get the effects of whatever surface your skatebord or whatever is rolling over... thus why dolly rigs usually have rails to assure smooth travel...

AND you can't exactly go "off roading" in flower beds/grass/etc. If you're doing a dog/monkey/kid cam view, you need to be able to go "there" <wink>, and a little bounce or jiggle shouldn't be a problem... The inverted mopopod is surprisingly stable because the weight is at the bottom of the rig, and your arm will take most of the "bounce" out if used carefully (it helps to have a light gait - no stomping and jumping about obviously - the "steadicam glide" should be practiced...).

Tim Ribich
July 25th, 2009, 08:55 AM
AND you can't exactly go "off roading" in flower beds/grass/etc. If you're doing a dog/monkey/kid cam view, you need to be able to go "there" <wink>, and a little bounce or jiggle shouldn't be a problem...

Exactly. What with all the rain we've had here lately I'd need an all-wheel-drive skateboard w/ mud tires!

A lot of the searching I did produced a variety of home made type systems. Too often I tend to search places like B&H when a perfectly workable (and much less expensive) system is possible using mostly existing parts.

Robin Davies-Rollinson
July 25th, 2009, 09:42 AM
This is what I use:

Amazon.com: CAM CADDIE CAMERA STABILIZER: Camera & Photo (http://www.amazon.com/CAM-CADDIE-CC-100-CAMERA-STABILIZER/dp/B001G46102)

Alfred Plotzer
July 31st, 2009, 04:24 AM
use a simple bag of pvc or cotton,make a hole for the lens,use tape to fix the lens and walk like shopping(don`t swing).it works great.

fred from austria

Willkomen auf Plotzer.at (http://www.plotzer.at)

Taky Cheung
July 31st, 2009, 10:13 AM
Cam Caddie works very well espeically to shoot angle up. I have some sample clips here

L.A. Color Shop Blog | Test Shooting using Cam Caddie (http://lacolorshop.com/blog/view.asp?id=30)

Dave Blackhurst
July 31st, 2009, 10:56 AM
Taky -
Don't know if the cam caddie has a way to move the camera fore and aft, but the general principle of steadying a camera suggests that the closer you get the center of gravity of the rig to optimal for the angle of the shot, the better. Sounds like you're just a tiny bit "tail heavy" as set up - thus it naturally balances a bit "nose up" (better up angle stability). Moving the cam forward a bit should adjust that.

Achieving stability is a "simple" matter of physics, but isn't always obvious how you have to change weight distribution/gravity/mass/inertia...

Taky Cheung
July 31st, 2009, 11:01 AM
That was the first time I use the cam caddie, literally the first time. It gets better after more practice. Another thing is, Cam Caddie is more of a handle than a stablizer. I also have a Merlin so I know how steadicam works :)

Cam Caddie works great compared to holding the camera bare, that's for sure.

Dave Blackhurst
August 4th, 2009, 12:01 PM
I'm sure it's an improvement, especially for low shots - it gets the camera CG down under the hold point. If you're familiar with a gimballed rig, you already know the fun of getting the balance right <wink>, it's always a bit different for a non-gimbal system - it's really easy to instinctively put "manual input" into the rig to counteract an imbalance, thus resulting in less stability.

Sam Mendolia
January 7th, 2010, 06:38 PM
i've used a DIY version that Robin mentioned, of the cam caddie, works great.

actually got the idea from watching some kids taping some skateboarding.

Marty Welk
January 7th, 2010, 06:48 PM
an old Air Tire Wheelborrow :-) mount it on the front, you can twist and turn all you like , go anywhere, jam into into things, tilt it right, have a nice 40" tv in the barrel for a monitor.
(freaking cheapskate i am :-)

last week i used a Chest stick, and the top handle mounting shoe, camera is its own counterweight. Hold arm out (till it falls off) for stabilisation , pictures through the grass and down the trail looked great.
then i tried to follow the dog , the same way, for the subject shots, and failed miserably.
60% of the dog eye view was totally usable, 2% of the dog IN the frame was :-(
I now have new respect for Animal filmmakers.