Just installed Vegas 9 Demo version (XP, 32 bit).
Seems to work fine, except it does not render but crashes. My Vegas 8c renders fine.
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance, Michael

I have never had crashing issues with Vegas, except once or twice with rendering 32 bit.

Yikes was it a clean uninstall of Vegas 8? The only gripes I have with Vegas 8 is the unreliable rendering.. crashing/hanging/outputted files messed up.. I was hoping Vegas 9 would improve on that....

I am not disagreeing with you Yang, but I have run Vegas on at least 7 or 8 different machines, (probably more) using XP, Vista and Vista 64 bit, and never had issues with stability in anyway, aside from issue when rendering in 32 bit mode on occasion.

Your experience is obviously different than mine, but I should add that I see crashing issues in the Premier Pro forum all of the time, but rarely here.

I would suspect you have some hardware issues. There seems to be agreement among many that Vegas is not perfect, but it tends to usually be very stable.

On occasion I render two projects from the same hard drive at one time and still have no problems. Now I admit that is not the best way to do it, but it shows me how stable it can be. I have really pushed Vegas to it's limits.

I have on hundreds of occasions rendered complex projects while at the same time editing another instance of Vegas while the render happens, and never even a hiccup. It does slow rendering down a bit, but it works just fine otherwise and the quality never suffers.

I did forget to say that with 8.1 (64bit Vegas) I did experience crashing and it was useless to me, but the new version seems fine so far.

Could it be that the Vegas 9 Demo version does not allow for rendering?
For it still keeps crashing every time I try to render. Never had problems with my registered Vegas 8c before.

create a new project.. drag some other videos onto the timeline and render it.. by "other" I mean videos of a different codec than the ones causing the crash.... What are you rendering to? That also plays a part into the crash.

Just did as you proposed, still crashing. I don't even get to the render templates but get a Problem report instead saying "Vegas Pro has stopped working". Could it not be due to the TRIAL version?

I agree with Jeff. I came to vegas for stability as much as anything and it is 98% stable!!

I just did a render of a m2t file in V9 32 bit and it renders fine, Just a nice big red X through the preview monitor!!

I am on the demo at the moment until I get my discs for 9.


the 64 bit on my other computer: I down loaded an archived 46 gigabyte cineform avi file. It only places the audio on the time line, no video!!!! Says the video is off line!!!

any ideas on that?

double checked in 8.0 and it comes down just fine.

will sort that out tomarrow!!

I believe I have read that Cineform files are not compatible with Vegas 64 bit. Dale, check in at the Cineform showcase.

Has Vegas 9 addressed the crashing, lock-up issues or they still in denial? As a Final Cut and Vegas User since the Sonic Foundry day, I am keenly aware of the infamous Vegas lock-up/inexplicable shut down and render freeze. I am going to upgrade if I get any hint the software will be more stable.

Pro 9 is not as stable as pro 8 for me on my pc, it's hanging/freezing a bit, especially when i add effects then try and play the timeline to see what the effect does, the scrubber doesn't even move and then when i try and close the effect window it won't shut, sometimes the effect window goes blank then the whole program freezes.
I was just playing about and was getting frustrated.
When i site down to do an edit with pro 8 i KNOW i'm gonna wizz through without any issues.
I don't think i'll be upgrading just yet.


Paul.

I have no issues what so ever with Pro 9.... great program (rendering HDV and avchd)

As for Pro 8, if you're having crashing on render issues with avchd and HDV then try this work around:

Sony Creative Software - Forums - Vegas Pro - Video Messages (http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=648152)

I'm running three different versions of Vegas at the same time, two of them rendering projects simulatneously while I'm editing on a third instance.

I'm rendering with Vegas 9 64 bit and Vegas 8 32 bit at same time. One project is HD, and render time has increased by about 30%. I just started a third instance of Vegas, Vegas 9 32 bit, running perfectly even with the two other versions running.

Even though it is supposed to work along side Vegas 8, I think you should do a clean install if you're having issues using Vegas 9. I've got three versions running fine, no problems. The demo doesn't have a red x or anything when I render.

I haven't heard of or experienced the "infamous" lock ups of Vegas.

Craig, if these are issues you have experienced on multiple machines I would suspect you buy workstations or stop building or your own.

There are people having issues right now installing Vegas 9 on machines that have older versions of Vegas on them and God know what else.

One of the reasons PCs are able to be kicked around by Mac is because PCs host hundreds of types of software that Macs cannot use. With a clean installation and good hardware Vegas is without question the single most stable piece of software I have ever used. It is ten times more reliable than any Adobe product I've ever owned.

I have to admit though Craig I had did have problems with 8.1, while others did not, but I attibuted that to it being a first release of Vegas on the 64 bit platform, so I was never really mad about it, just a bit disappointed.

There are people having issues right now installing Vegas 9 on machines that have older versions of Vegas on them and God know what else..

So you're saying that i could be having issues just because i have pro 8 still installed on my pc ? I'm not using 8 at the same time as 9.

Paul.

Paul, as you and I both know it is SO hard to say. For example, Dale recently had issues of some sort until he uninstalled MS Front Page. Who would have thought Front Page would cause problems for a video workstation? Probably no one. (BTW, I don't think the problems were with Vegas, but the point is with PCs and the huge variety of software installed on so many different configurations, the potential problems are huge.)

Many programs require a complete uninstall of all previous versions before installation of a new version will work. Vegas does not, but in the past I have alway installed on clean hard drives. Lately, with my new PC it seems anything will run on it, so I didn't bother this time.

So Paul, if you're having problems, which are a normal part of the PC landscape, then you might consider possibly reinstalling everything from the ground up.

While it would certainly be inconvenient, I don't think it would be unreasonable to look at that as a solution. If you're windows installation is more than a few months old and you do a ton of stuff on it, and if you have lots of software on it, you're probably due anyway.

I routinely reformat my HD install windows at the least every 60 days or so. Most people don't, but I find little issue start popping up here and there and I just start fresh and it eliminates most all issues for me, and gets rid of all spyware. I don't run anti-virus, etc so I feel it is the best thing for me to do.

I have Vegas Pro 8 and Vegas Pro 9-32 installed on the same machine.

I also have Vegas Pro 8.1 and Vegas Pro 9-64 installed on another machine.

I've not seen any conflicts between the two versions.

Vegas 8c crashes while rendering m timeline.. so I downloaded Vegas 9 trial.. this thing is horrible.. scrubbing the timeline results in app crash.. cineform file doesn't playback smoothly...

Rendering the same project results in a low memory error 13% into it.. I have 4GB of RAM and 2GB free.. Sony! What's up wit that?

Yang, if your 8.0c isn't running correctly then there is no reason 9 will be better. Look at your hardware, or reinstall Windows. Vegas 8.0c runs perfectly on my old laptop and runs perfectly for my friend on a Pentium 4 computer, so I suspect you have a hardware issue or software conflict.

I'm not saying your computer is not good. But as I've said before look at your PC or software first. Vegas is normally very stable and smooth running.

If you have done a clean install of windows in the past and installed Vegas FIRST before anything else (except drivers, etc.) then your issue is HW related or there is a conflict somewhere.

Yang, if your 8.0c isn't running correctly then there is no reason 9 will be better. Look at your hardware, or reinstall Windows. Vegas 8.0c runs perfectly on my old laptop and runs perfectly for my friend on a Pentium 4 computer, so I suspect you have a hardware issue or software conflict.

I'm not saying your computer is not good. But as I've said before look at your PC or software first. Vegas is normally very stable and smooth running.

If you have done a clean install of windows in the past and installed Vegas FIRST before anything else (except drivers, etc.) then your issue is HW related or there is a conflict somewhere.

Jeff: that theory is definitely reasonable.. However, past versions of Vegas has typically been rock solid for me... It also doesn't help that the problem with freezing during render is so obscure! The counter keeps going but the progress bar stops...

Also keep in mind that there are a lot of variables from one project to another, from one user to another.. Everything from source file codec, output codec, filters etc.. all play an integral part of whether Vegas crashes.. It is very possible that the media I'm working with and the output codec I'm rendering to is inheriently buggier than other combination...

Well, from what you say then you have plenty of issue to examine, that is for sure.

Vegas is very stable on a "clean" system. However there are a number of things that can cause instability on a system. One of the worst offenders is installing too much "stuff" on a system. The best practice is to use a dedicated system for editing. Install what you need for editing and nothing else. Use another system to install "stuff" on. Flaky hardware is another potential problem. It can even be something as simple as a dirty CPU heat sink which causes the processor to overheat when rendering. This often leads to the instability whine.

One very bad practice is to install Codec pacs. These can cause all manner of misery and should never be installed. Another nasty is a full installation of Nero. If you feel that you have to use Nero, install only Burning ROM and nothing else. If you have a system that exhibits instability, it is often a good idea to do a clean reinstall of the OS and software and avoid installing an assortment of other "stuff".

Vegas is more resistant to the effects of a "contaminated" system but any software can be made unstable on a system with a bunch of crap installed on it. If you want to "enjoy" an unstable system, install Premiere on it - it will be a trip to hell.

There are a few that enjoy "recreational equivocation" and would rather argue than fix their problem but it sure chews up a lot of bandwidth on forums.

Hey guys just as an update.. I think i've identified the culprit..

I was working with Cineform media.. typically I render it to Medium quality.. this time around, I used Low quality.. It seems Cineform's low quality causes rendering issue in Vegas.. go figure! I re-transcoded everything to Medium quality and Vegas is rockin' again.. Haven't retried this again in 9 but I assume it will be okay as well.

Well said Jim. Congratulations Yang.

Nero, I've found can sure cause havoc, as Jim has alluded to. Actually, I believe if you go into msconfig and simply uncheck all startup items related to Nero that Nero problems should go away, but as stated avoid installing anything unnecessary.

Another good thing is to go into msconfig every so often an unchecking pretty much everything as a matter of routine. Often things you have disabled for startup will enable themselves again after the program has been used, Nero does that I believe.

Another thing to do with Vista is to tweak your power settings. For example by default hard drive go to sleep in twenty minutes of inactivity. If you are editing and Vegas needs to access a particular file on a drive that has gone to sleep it can cause a strange delay.

Whoop.. looks like I jinxed myself.. Vegas is still crashing although no longer crashing at the same spot each time.. now it's more random along the rendering process..... both 8 and 9 are crashing..... sigh...

edit: Okay.. it looks like the culprit was the Sony AVC codec.. just couldn't get it to render w/o crashing.. Switched over to MainConcept and it worked fine on the 1st try.

Goes to prove my above comment.. There are simply too many variables within Vegas.. it's never the same set of circumstances across multiple individuals.. Yes, Sony is stable while editing.. Very stable for me.. but it has always been buggy when it came to rendering out HD video.

Well Yang, I've only rendered HD to wmv files so far...so I can't comment on rendering HD yet. I've rendered plenty of HD to SD 16:9, but that's about it.

Yeah working with SD Vegas 6 to 7 to 8 has been rock solid for me.. rendering to MPEG2 for SD DVD has never been an issue for me.. Vegas has been tremendously buggy when it came to rendering out to HD codecs..

Well, now I am certainly not looking forward to my first Blu Ray project!

good Morning,


I recently finished my first huge blu ray project, been at it for weeks and weeks.

Definitely use the mainconcept format!!!!, render it in Vegas and then go to DVDA.

I had the same problems using the other codec.

I also did several test runs from the timeline and that worked fine straight to blu ray.



I have started rendering other codecs HD, just small snipits and when I am finished I will post the findings.

Thanks Dale!

I went thru Vegas 7,8 and now bought upgrade to 9 and real problems started. It crashes my system saying " system is low in memory" (Q9450 and 4GB of RAM). I reached the point that it crashes even when I reder SD projects! System is clean - no unnecessary software there - it is clear that it is ver. 9 that is causing the problem. What is going on!

These threads amaze me.

Rule 1. Install a clean OS. There is no telling what garbage on your system is causing issues.

Rule 2. Install adequate RAM. Most of the issues I see with people seeing Vegas freezing up, failing to render HD, etc., have simply run out of RAM. Open Task manager with your HD project on the timeline and note how much RAM is left. Then start the render and watch your RAM decrease. Eventually, it will get critically low, and you'll see Vegas freeze. HD rendering demands a LOT more RAM than SD.

Rule 3. Keep your codecs in order. Vegas 9 does not include Cineform. So if you've been using Cineform in V8 or V7, you'll need to download the Cineform reader to use those older files in Vegas 9. If you want to render Cineform files in V9, then you'll need to buy Cineform software.

Rule 4. Keep garbage off your editing system. Don't put a bunch of web browsers, games, and other crap on your editing machine. If you install Vegas, DVDA, and your necessary codecs onto a clean OS, and you have adequate memory, 99% of these "issues" will disappear.

My primary editing machine has Vegas 9.0a 32 and 64 bit on it. Runs like clockwork on Windows7 RC. It has 8GB of RAM. My laptop has Vegas 8.0c, 8.1, 9.0a 32/64 on it, and it's running XP64. It has 4GB of RAM. No issues whatsoever. Zero.

I've used both machines to render 1-4 hour HD projects. However, I don't use long GOP stuff on the timeline usually, as that will SLAUGHTER most machines because of the RAM requirements. I do render the occasional AVCHD project for friends, but keep the durations under 20 minutes usually.

Lots of good points Perrone. Unfortunately some people get more out of arguing than fixing the problems they are having. For example - "Install a clean OS" is for everyone else, not them. Sounds harsh, but their problems are richly deserved.

I built an i7 920, 6GB ram 2 x 1TB HDD's, 9600GT rig for a friend. Win7 64bit. He's editing 1920 AVCHD, and as yet, can't export to 1920 - and 1440 seems its limit.

There is a CFF explorer fix originally for v8, that changes flags on the app to let it use more that 2GB of memory. On the trial version of Vegas Movie Studio 9 in my rig, that fix does speed up rendering by around 10%. But I've only got 1440 res HDV to play with.

Lots of good points Perrone. Unfortunately some people get more out of arguing than fixing the problems they are having. For example - "Install a clean OS" is for everyone else, not them. Sounds harsh, but their problems are richly deserved.


Agree. Why wasting all times trying to fix and got no where. Install a clean OS is the best bet. I never ever have any rendering crash problem; avchd. No problem with 32 bit Vista latop and my new desktop Windows 7 64 bit.