John Locke
March 22nd, 2004, 10:22 PM
Any recommendations out there on the best complete home security/video surveillance systems to safeguard your DV investments?
View Full Version : Security John Locke March 22nd, 2004, 10:22 PM Any recommendations out there on the best complete home security/video surveillance systems to safeguard your DV investments? Keith Loh March 22nd, 2004, 10:37 PM Dog. Dylan Couper March 22nd, 2004, 10:43 PM I use one of these. http://www.pyroglyphfilms.com/gallery/screens/3/raven_blur%20b.jpg And one of these: http://www.pyroglyphfilms.com/gallery/clips/shooting_test.mov :) George Ellis March 23rd, 2004, 04:57 AM A home security system that you own (not lease), and that the monitoring service does not require a contract, is UL certified, and about $15 a month. See/Listen to Clark Howard for details. Jeff Donald March 23rd, 2004, 08:07 AM The cost for the monitoring will vary by geographical location services provided. Shop around, many of the service providers are getting competitive and will negotiate the fees and monthly rates. I was first quoted $35 a month then are declining the service and entering into negotiations, the final price became $25 a month. Rob Lohman March 24th, 2004, 02:52 AM There is also computer software that can monitor a room if you have a webcam (for example) hooked up to your computer. It can then send you a message to your phone or an e-mail that it has detected some changes and it can then automatically start recording as well. John Locke March 24th, 2004, 03:04 AM Rob, That's more along the lines of what I'm looking for...products... not necessarily security services. Basically, I'd like to find an install-it-yourself home security system that includes the usual window and door security, motion detectors, and then also the video cam surveillance similar to what you're saying. I've seen some that have wireless cameras that activate when motion is detected, and start uploading shots to the web, as well as sending you an e-mail or calling you. Prices for those that I've found online are really pretty cheap, but I'm not familiar with any of the companies that make them. So, I was hoping for URLs or brand name recommendations. Rob Lohman March 24th, 2004, 03:15 AM If you want to control motion sensors etc. you will want to get an X9 (I think that is the name) network of gear. There are boards for computers that can control a lot of gear in that fashion. Does it need to run on Mac or PC? Law Tyler March 24th, 2004, 05:06 PM Guys, ahhmm... the guy is in Tokyo. I thought the only "crimes" there are people going nuts (and going bezark) and those committed by the Yakuzi, which BTW IMHO is the real ruler of modern Japan. Soon, these gangsters will raise up as the new version of the old Imperial Army and take on the world w/o their old buddies the Germans... OK, it's me that's going nuts, least for a second there. Keith Loh March 24th, 2004, 05:31 PM Law, he also has to worry about the ninja too. Mike Rehmus March 24th, 2004, 07:21 PM I have a mix of security tools: 1. Full-motion detectors in every room plus smoke detectors and temperature rate-of-rise sensors in the studio. Phone line plus a radio backup to the security company. Wall- and battery-powered system. 2. 120 Lb. Rotweiller. BIG bark 3. Friendly but snoopy neighbors 4. I am a contractor for the local PD so they respond very quickly to a call on my studio. After all, their footage may be at risk! (#4 is pure humor. ) John Locke March 24th, 2004, 08:46 PM Hmmm... ten responses and two address the question seriously. No wonder there's so much burglary going on in North America. I'll be stopping by all your houses, with some prime rib for your dogs, and a gas company uniform to satisfy your neighbors and then I'm gonna increase my inventory. ;) Just planning on living in a rather isolated area... no nosey neighbors within sight to keep an eye on things...and having had a dog poisoned in the past I don't see that as a valid option ("Babe"...best dog in the world). That's why I'm thinking about the web camera/motion detector/upload to internet option. If an alarm goes off, no one will be around to hear it. But if I have some cameras clicking away and uploading automatically to the internet... including one outside the house to photograph vehicle and license plate number... I may at least be able to get some stolen stuff back. Sound paranoid? Systems like that are only a few hundred dollars. I can't imagine people with the amount of equipment we all have NOT investing in some sort of security. Rob... I'll check out the option you mentioned (I'm looking for Mac solutions). Ken Tanaka March 24th, 2004, 08:59 PM John, I think Rob meant to reference the "X-10" system of gizmos. It's been around a very long time and greatly expanded through the years. Smart Home (http://www.smarthome.com/) is kind of a home security and automation gadget lovers heaven. Jeff Donald March 24th, 2004, 09:51 PM Here is Mac software (http://www.alwaysthinking.com/products/products.html) that interfaces with the X-10 products. It is pretty cool and can even be operated remotely. If you forgot to turn off the coffee pot you can use a laptop etc. remotely to turn off appliances, lights, furnace, A/C etc. John Locke March 25th, 2004, 01:13 AM Now we're talking... the X-10 stuff at Smart Home is what I'm looking for. And the software you mentioned, Jeff, looks good, too. I liked the sample announcement they have on the site..."Someone is in the stairwell"... imagine hearing your computer say that in the middle of the night. Eek! I'll get myself hooked up...and then throw in a dog, but mainly just for frisbee and fetching beers out of the fridge. Ken Tanaka March 25th, 2004, 01:19 AM I liked the sample announcement they have on the site..."Someone is in the stairwell"... imagine hearing your computer say that in the middle of the night. Eek!Sounds like an interesting crystal for a screenplay. "X-10" Keith Loh March 25th, 2004, 01:50 AM I've tested out the X-10 and actually it's a pretty good camera! But I heard that they are out of business. Dylan Couper March 25th, 2004, 02:30 AM I still have to say a good guard dog is the best deterrent, depending on where/how you live. The only way you could get to my dog to poison him, is to be in the house in the first place. He doesn't even like people walking on the sidewalk in front of the house. I'd feel bad for anyone trying to break in. It isn't that Dobermans are agressive, just very protective. I also have a security system that consisted of motion detectors and window alarms. It's a Home Depot type DIY job, but has a good siren, and auto-dialer. And it cost less than $300. If I was going to spend the money again, I'd get a monitored service, like from ADT. I don't think the motion detector computer/webcam things are valid security tools. I'd question their reliability. I think at best they'd give yo ua picture of the guy that now owns all your equipment. That may be helpful to the cops, but most of the ones around here have more serious crimes to investigate. JMHO. Rob Lohman March 25th, 2004, 04:01 AM X-10 indeed. All those acronyms <g>. X-10 is a standard for devices to operate with eachother in the house. It should not be "out of business". It might not be a top of the line security system, but the nice thing is that you can build most parts yourself and add gradually. It's not only to take a picture of who took it, but to warn you or anyone else for that matter as well. I do believe some off-site security companies can be notified through X-10 since it can call out over a telephone line, send an sms message through the internet or send an e-mail. Then again, you could also put your harddisks and/or computers into a vault. Even when running if you don't want someone to take it anywhere (in that scenario you could have the monitor, mouse, keyboard and DV VCR outside the vault still). George Ellis March 25th, 2004, 06:49 AM Just adding a link to Clark Howard's alarm system recommendations. http://clarkhoward.com/library/tips/security_systems.html If you don't know who Clark Howard is, he is a consumer advocate that has a 3 hr radio show on many AM stations. Mike Rehmus March 25th, 2004, 11:31 AM <<<-- Originally posted by John Locke : Hmmm... ten responses and two address the question seriously. No wonder there's so much burglary going on in North America. I'll be stopping by all your houses, with some prime rib for your dogs, and a gas company uniform to satisfy your neighbors and then I'm gonna increase my inventory. ;) -->>> First you'd have to get my dog to eat the food (she won't) and you'd have to get into the building (fairly difficult and noisy) plus you cannot defeat the alarm in any reasonable manner. Alarm systems are best designed to deter the dishonest. They persuade the bad guys to go somewhere else. All the recording in the world of your property taking a hike won't save you from interrupted work and the likelihood you won't get it back in any case and faces can be covered and license plates obscured. Prevention is best. All the rest is just documenting your loss. You may well be advised to talk with a Loss Prevention expert before you decide. They can be well worth their fee. Dylan Couper March 25th, 2004, 11:44 AM What Mike said. Most thieves are lazy and stupid. If they were smarter and more motivated they'd do something with a better risk/reward ratio, like smuggle drugs. It's easier for them to move to a house that doesn't have a "Protected by S&W Security" or "Warning, Vicious Dog" sign on the front. They want the easy score. Even a small alarm sign is a better alarm system that a video camera that records who did it. I don't remember the stats about how many people recover their stolen goods but I think it is less than 15%. On the other hand, if someone REALLY wants to break in to YOUR house and steal your stuff, they will, regardless of any precautions you take. Most of the time, it is people that know you, and know about how much your equipment is worth. Take some degree of caution as to who you let into your home, and this will eliminate 90% of this category of theft. I used to have a local ADT security branch as a client, and got the straight poop on security info. George Ellis March 25th, 2004, 12:13 PM I have my service with an EMC (electric co-op). I bought the equipment and I pay $16 a month for a UL certified station monitoring station. When we set the alarm off (accidentally), the phone rings in less than a minute (usually around 30 seconds). What does it really buy me? Lower insurance and someone to pay attention to the smoke detector while I am gone. You may find that it is the smoke detection that results in the greatest loss prevention. Law Tyler March 26th, 2004, 12:57 AM We hardly have any crime in our area. In my neighborhood, I have not heard of a single crime in the last 10 years, nothing, ZERO. The only time somebody call the cops was when out-of-town conmen get naive out-of-town teenagers to go house-to-house selling useless stuff, and scared some old lady. The "local way" is not by locking doors or getting alarm, but not to let people know you have goodies. Everybody has guns around here, even the "liberals", and none of us has any hesitation to shoot. So thieves don't general target a specific house unless they know for sure there are goodies in there, worth the risk of getting shot. When the repairman comes, or somebody delivers furniture, I would actually move all my large camera gears to a closed room. Hack, one time, I even took down a painting that looked expensive (probably went overboard that time). If the guy has a "rubber neck", I would try hard to remember his face, and casually mention it to my cop friends. Most of the time, probably all the time, these guys are harmless. But then again when they go back to the office, some probably brag about "wow" items they saw on-site, like "boy, that guy have some expensive-looking video cameras..." And then word gets around. Michael Wisniewski March 26th, 2004, 07:30 AM I'm low tech, I use two fire-proof safes. For stuff that stays out in the open all the time, I use laptop locks that bolt to the desk. Course it's New York City, so better to be safe than sorry. |