So I have been doing a ton of reading lately on the 5D-MKII and I have come to the conclusion that it is a prime candidate as a video workhorse. I am thinking about upgrading to HD from my XL2s and am seriously interested in the MKII.

I shoot mostly documentary style footage and tons of interviews. I am also currently producing a cooking show. Whatever cameras I decide on will need to be able to take care of everything for me. I am thinking about purchasing 2 of the MKIIs and my question to you guys that own them is will this cam be feasible for my needs?

I am traveling a ton lately doing some corporate video work as well and need something that is extremely portable and shoots amazing HD footage. The footage from this camera is some of the best I've seen!

I love the feel of SLRs but am extremely skeptical about selling off the XL2s and purchasing DSLRs for my primary video needs. Previously I was looking into the XL-H1As, but the footage shot with the MKII actually looks so much cleaner IMO.

Any informative insight is welcomed and appreciated!

I had to use a Sony Z1 at work the other day and did not like going back. OTOH, interviews that must be interrupted every 12 minutes to start another file might be annoying. Personally, I would prefer to change the types of work that I do so I can get the results I demand than to use a lesser camera that fits how I used to shoot. I think I just won't be doing any long-form work with people droning on and on to a bored audience anymore. Soon, CF cards will also be cheap enough to just hand them to the customer at the end of the day if I am not doing the editing.

Thanks Marcus! With respect to only being able to record max 12 min. at a time, how soon can you start recording again after stopping recording? Is it immediate?

Also, I have noticed that some of the footage that I have seen from the cam makes it look like pans have a tendency to be choppy. Is this an issue that anybody has noticed?

Is the 24-105mm lens that comes with the kit a decent lens. It is not even close to high speed at f4. Is there a good all around zoom lens that is a little faster that anyone would suggest that may yield better results than the stock lens? I do plan on buying a good set of primes eventually, but would like to start out with a good zoom lens.

Unless your shooting normally relies on supports such as tripods, dollies, cranes or steadycams etc. I suggest you stick to your XL2s. There's no doubt the 5D Mk2 shoots better looking footage than other HD video cameras do at close to its price but the handling is very frustratingly poor to any level of videographers, professional or amateurs alike. Manual controls are next to nonexistent unless you are willing to go to great lengths to fiddle around with all kinds of third-party add-ons like manual aperture lenses, appropriate lens adapters, some kinds of focusing aids or supports, and last but not least, a mic preamps that's designed specifically to neutralize the auto audio gain circuit of the camera. This is not only to improve your audio recording but just to hear what you are recording! as there's no on board headphone jack. Many people just ignore this and simply use a separate audio recording system.

If you really want to have the camera for any reason I suggest you wait until a new firmware comes out to "de-cripple" the camera's crippled manual controls. Or you can try shooting with the camera at your dealer and assess if all these downsides are worth the image quality that is superior to that from real video cameras at similar costs.

Wacharapong

The 24-105 F4L IS USM lens is very good. The low light capabilities of the 5DII mean that even F4 can be very useful. The stabiliser is very effective with hand held video shooting.

I see juddering on faster pans. I have just learned to pan more slowly. I was surprised as I thought that the 30fps shutter speed would avoid this problem.

It's not a video camera though. It's a stills camera with an outstanding HD video recording facility plus the benefit of being able to use a variety of exceptionally high quality lenses. Only you can decide whether you can put up with the limitations of the 5DII in order to produce the stunning HD video it is capable of. We have switched from using Canon XH-A1s to 5DIIs for our subject matter which is basically architecture & real estate as we can live with the limitations e.g. we dub on our own audio track afterwards & don't need to record takes of more than a minute or two. I prefer using the XH-A1 as it is designed for the purpose but put up with the awkwardness of the 5DII. The benefits of low light performance & interchangeable lenses are big bonuses but overwhelmingly it was the quality of the video that is the clincher.

Cheers

Nigel

If you are used to video camera's zoom capabilities and are willing to use a tripod Canon XHA1 is the best for the money - as you simply can not have lenses with 20x zoom and f2.8 for DSLR and any f5.6 lens will eat so much light that it is as good as A1 when it comes to light sensitivity.
I have both 5D MKII and A1 and sure I rarely use A1 because it is lousy looking after using 5D with even $60 f1.4 50mm lens but no matter how good the image quality if you simply can not take a shot because you don't have the lens that you might be accustomed to when shooting with normal video cam. Also the aliasing and jello of the 5D makes it less than ideal in some situations.
In the other hand A1 is an old cam and in a year the market will be changed again so buying it wouldn't be a good idea. So stick to what you know and trust for a month and see what comes out or what NAB brings.

Cheers,
T

The Canon XH-A1 has to have a wide zoom range as you cannot change lenses. It's rare that you need to zoom the full 20x range although it can be a nice effect when used occasionally.

Having owned the XH-A1, and still owning the 5DMkII and EX1, my judgment is that while the 5dMkII is especially impressive with a fast prime in low light, the overall video experience lags pretty far behind. For sure the image is highly detailed, but so are the others. The advantages of low light and shallow depth of field are specific. Comparing the video side by side with stock footage I shot with the XH-A1 and EX1, it's evident the video camera footage is a better overall result due to fast handling, stabilization, built in neutral density and ease of making the shot. The 5DMkII can be made to recreate and improve upon a specific set of conditions if you accept 30p, are static from a tripod, have ND filters, the time and a willingness to set it all up and the target of opportunity hasn't moved on.

It's a useful perhaps indispensable video accessory for the indie maker or the studio, a worthy alternative to Letus/Brevis, heck maybe even Red. But I can't fathom it being the videographer's only tool in the bag. The EX1 is also impressive shooting stills.

Thank you everyone for your input! I have made up my mind and am going to purchase one today. I am going to test drive the machine thoroughly and probably pick up an EX3 or an XL-H1 as a primary shooting cam in the near future.

I still just can't get over the look of the video footage and have decided that it will be worth all of the workarounds. If I decided to try to get that kind of DOF from any other camera it would cost me in upwords of 10,000 after the adapter and lenses. Here I am looking at maybe 5,000.

Another determining factor is the portability. Most of my shots are done from a tripod being that they are primarily interviews. I have already looked into field recorders for sound and found one that I fancy. If I do have to shoot handheld, I am going to shoot from my glidecam. Sure focus may be an issue, but I am up for the challenge.

If anyone is interested in a Canon XL2 in mint condition, check the FS forum soon.

Thanks again!

Has anyone else noticed that sensor dust looks much worse when shooting video than stills? A couple of spots in a still shot (which I consider normal) are easy to manage, but 5 or 6 spots in a video isn't. It's almost a deal breaker for me as far doing anything for public consumption. No need to recommend any cleaning products, I've tried 'em all.

I'm just going to wait till they get these bugs ironed out in the MkIII, I think.

I am thinking about upgrading to HD from my XL2s and am seriously interested in the MKII.

Hi Ryan -- it's nice to see you here on the 5D forum from all the help I previously got from you at the XL2 forum. You and I are in pretty much the same situation -- migrating from the XL2 to MKII (only that I do most everything backwards; first selling my XL2 and then start buying lenses and fancy microphones for the MKII... BEFORE I've even gotten the MKII itself ;^)

I love the feel of SLRs but am extremely skeptical about selling off the XL2s and purchasing DSLRs for my primary video needs.

Yep, I had pretty much the same feeling when I shipped off my XL2, although my concerns were/are mostly audio related -- compared to to the XL2, the MKII is really a dud when it comes to audio, (lacking 4-channels, timecode, XLRs, fully manual, padding & filter options, etc). But of course, at once I saw that DOF footage in the "Reverie" video, I was sold: Reverie on Vimeo (http://www.vimeo.com/2264936)

-- peer

Has anyone else noticed that sensor dust looks much worse when shooting video than stills? A couple of spots in a still shot (which I consider normal) are easy to manage, but 5 or 6 spots in a video isn't. It's almost a deal breaker for me as far doing anything for public consumption. No need to recommend any cleaning products, I've tried 'em all.It's price we pay for interchangeable lenses but should be manageable. It is easier to Photoshop out the dust spots on a still or batch process using a dust spot reference frame. Spots are more noticeable when the lens is stopped down so the workarounds we use to force wide apertures & thus shallow DOF will help.

But of course, at once I saw that DOF footage in the "Reverie" video, I was sold: Reverie on Vimeo (http://www.vimeo.com/2264936)It was these two clips that were the very first 5DII video we saw that convinced my wife & I. The clarity & low light capability are simply extraordinary. Chris MacAskill : photos : Paris and San Franciso videos by night- powered by SmugMug (http://cmac.smugmug.com/gallery/6677452_e9rL5#427227023_AsXNo)

Peer, glad to see you in here as well! I'm sure that we will be able to help each other out a tremendously as we learn and grow with our new camera decision. What lenses did you decide to go with for the MKII?

I've watched Reverie many times. It is an incredible display of what the camera is capable of! Nigel, I hadn't seen that footage yet. All I can say is WOW! Truly amazing. Any idea what lens he had parked on the front of the cam?

So I played with my new MKII all night last night and am as completely happy as I thought I'd be. I am having a hard time getting decent shots with the 24-105 though. Anyone else experience this? I also bought a 50mm 1.4 and am thoroughly happy with what I am able to get with that lens.

I am having a hard time getting decent shots with the 24-105 though. Anyone else experience this? I also bought a 50mm 1.4 and am thoroughly happy with what I am able to get with that lens.

You need user familarity with the 24-105 to hit its sweet spot which is a moving target as far as sharpness is concerned. If you do that, it is very sharp, although distorted and fringed at the wide end, and a bit softer toward the long end. Overall it's strikes a good balance. If I had to have just one lens, that would be it. I sold mine recently, I may regret that decision. I am shooting with prime and zooms.

For the 24-105 the best resolution is at:

24-35mm - f/5.6
40-60mm - f/6.3
70mm - f/8.0
105mm - f/11

It's fairly sharp at larger apertures than above, but those are the peaks for combined center and edge sharpness.

PTLens or DPP can correct the fringing and barrel distortion.

Nigel, I hadn't seen that footage yet. All I can say is WOW! Truly amazing. Any idea what lens he had parked on the front of the cam?He discusses it here SmugBlog: Don MacAskill Blog Archive First 1080p video from Canon’s new 5D MkII - Amazing! (http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2008/11/30/first-1080p-video-from-canons-new-5d-mkii-amazing/) He mentions an F4 which I bet is the 24-105mm kits lens. An 85mm 1.2L & a 'secret weapon' a Canon 200mm F2.0.

I am having a hard time getting decent shots with the 24-105 though. Anyone else experience this? I also bought a 50mm 1.4 and am thoroughly happy with what I am able to get with that lens.I was initially a bit disappointed when I shot some night footage with the 24-105mm F4L lens that came with the camera. I suppose that I was expecting the sort of quality that I saw in 'Reverie' & Chris MacAskill's clips that I linked to. In fact to shoot video that good in that light you need lenses with larger apertures. A lens at F1.4 lets through 8x the amount of light that it does at F4. This graphic that I pinched from Wikipedia demonstrates this well. A 50mm F1.2 lens lets through over 30% more light than does a 50mm F1.4 lens. Take a look at this explanation of aperture Aperture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aperture)

Peer, glad to see you in here as well! I'm sure that we will be able to help each other out a tremendously as we learn and grow with our new camera decision.

Sure, and this is pretty much what I do nowadays -- trying to read up on this stuff. I hate to paint myself into a corner by purchasing wrong equipment. Although the XL2 was quite good to me, I never really came to terms with its "video look" depth of field, (but sure miss the audio capability).

What lenses did you decide to go with for the MKII?

Canon 17-35 2.8 L
Canon 300 4 L
Canon 28-135 3.5 (non-L)
Sigma 15 2.8

(As a kid I often used a 300mm on a 35mm camera, which was really nice -- so hopefully a lens this size will also work on the MKII, since it's a full-frame camera.)

And then I got this microphone: Ambient Tiny Mike ATM216

I'm also planning on getting rails, mattebox and follow-focus for it -- although I have not yet taken the plunge for the camera itself -- I was SO hoping that Canon would release a firmware fix at the NAB. Oh well.

-- peer

I got this microphone: Ambient Tiny Mike ATM216

Do you have any video examples using this microphone?

-steev

You need user familarity with the 24-105 to hit its sweet spot which is a moving target as far as sharpness is concerned. If you do that, it is very sharp, although distorted and fringed at the wide end, and a bit softer toward the long end. Overall it's strikes a good balance. If I had to have just one lens, that would be it. I sold mine recently, I may regret that decision. I am shooting with prime and zooms.

For the 24-105 the best resolution is at:

24-35mm - f/5.6
40-60mm - f/6.3
70mm - f/8.0
105mm - f/11

It's fairly sharp at larger apertures than above, but those are the peaks for combined center and edge sharpness.

PTLens or DPP can correct the fringing and barrel distortion.

Thanks for the info. I shot some more footage with it today and was able to produce footage to my liking. I do have to say that the 50mm f1.4 is amazing in low light! I am definitely content with the 24-105 now as well. The OIS works fairly well when having to shoot mild handheld.

Thanks Nigel for your input as well.

Peer, That's quite a collection you have going there! You'll have to send me some test clips with the different lenses. I'm curious to see which one you shoot with the most after you get your cam. I too would like to hear some audio clips captured with that mic into the MKII.

I am using a Sennheiser EG2 wireless lav setup to capture audio into mine right now. Doesn't sound great, so I think I'll have to just capture audio with one of my XL2s until my field recorder gets here.

Overall I'd have to say that I absolutely love this cam for both stills and movies! I am glad I decided to purchase one of these bad boys.

So I decided to upload a couple of clips that I shot today. One of them is with the 24-105 f4 and the other is with the 50mm f1.4. Definitely should have had the 50mm on a tripod, but I was really just messin around. I think the results are pretty remarkable! Oh, and by the way it is more cat footage. I didn't think there were enough test clips involving felines LOL!

http://www.rpmproductions.info/videos/24-105f4example.mov
http://www.rpmproductions.info/videos/50mmf1_4example.mov

Do you have any video examples using this microphone?

Since I haven't got the camera yet, I've no video clips with this mic -- I don't even know if it works. It looks good though, and I also got the Tiny Mix for it -- a two line passive mixer with manual controlled hi-pass filters for each channel -- also this unit is very well built.

I hope it will work with the MKII, because it won't do any good as a paperweight -- it's too tiny and too light for that purpose.

-- peer

I'm curious to see which one you shoot with the most after you get your cam.

Yea, I'm curious too what lens I'll end up using the most. Think I promised my ex the non-L 28-135, (we'll see if she remembers ;^)

-- peer

Peer, That's quite a collection you have going there!

Oh yea, forgot I also just bought a Nikon 135 2.8 -- but yet no camera ;^)

-- peer

It was these two clips that were the very first 5DII video we saw that convinced my wife & I. The clarity & low light capability are simply extraordinary. Chris MacAskill : photos : Paris and San Franciso videos by night- powered by SmugMug (http://cmac.smugmug.com/gallery/6677452_e9rL5#427227023_AsXNo)

Yeah me too Nigel, the bakery shots were the ones…

Well I took the plunge! Got the camera body and EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS lens from BHphoto today. I now join the madness.

-steev