Awesome.

-Steve

Just downloaded the trial version of Aspect HD 3.1. I tried to edit my first video using it but I'm having problems with the audio.

I used HD link to capture and then converted to Cineform AVI. The audio sounds completely distorted when I import the converted files into premiere 1.5.1.

The footage was shot with a Sony FX1 PAL at 50i

Anyway, I ended up importing, editing and rendering as .m2t using MPEG PRO HD 1.06 and it sounded perfectly clear. Just the whole editing process was kinda slow.

Any ideas as to what may be the problem I am having with Aspect ?

You should file a trouble tricket to see whether support can help you. There no known issues with audio capture -- i.e. it should be working fine. Why didn't you us the Aspect HD capture within Premiere, HDLink is the old tool and it is rarely necessary for capture. Open up an Aspect HD preset within Premiere Pro and pres F5 to bring up the capture window. Capture capturing again using Aspect HD. If the audio issue persists, tech support should have a solution for you. You will want to use Aspect HD over MPEG editing.

David, thanks for the fast response.

I will try capturing within premiere and see if that solves the problem.

If not, I will file a trouble ticket, as you recommended.

The reason why I captured using HD link is because I wanted to have both files, M2T/AVI. Then edit one movie using .m2t and the other with the AVI to compare experiences/results.

Hello David,

Differently from the official JVC Corporate opinion that the small deck will not be able to handle 24P from the HD-100, our friend Barry Green found out that he was able to capture 720 24P footage from the HD-1 into Vegas 5, not even 6...!!! So, I am almost certain that, as I mentioned JVC before, a simple firmware is all what is needed to update the CU-VH1.

The question is: would my Aspect HD 3.2/Premiere Pro 1.5.1 combo be capable of the same capturing/editing using the equipment mentined? Barry said that the LCD displays an error, but, even showing it, he was able to see and capture the footage from an HD-100 at 24P out of the firewire!

Thanks,

Luis Otero

I expect that the CU-VH1 will be able to play ProHD 24p to Aspect HD, although like Barry found the screen on the JVC unit will not show any picture. I haven't try this myself.

I tried to export to tape from Premiere to the deck and it does not work. However, doing it (in and out of the machine) using HD Link is very simple and 100% accurate. Any possible rason why it does not work from Premiere? This would simplify the workflow a lot since no encoding to m2t to use the HD Link will be bypassed.

Luis

It is always best to use HDLink for export. You aren't saving any time using Premiere's built in export. Aspect HD comes with the "CineForm M2T" export movie option, use this as is has more options and more quality, then take the resulting file in HDLink for export. HOWEVER, for the 24p ProHD format we don't yet have that export mode, only 30p. Aspect currently supports input at 24p and 30p, and we will add 24 ProHD export soon.

Hi David,

Are the Intel dual-core 830 processors adequate to edit in Premiere with Aspect? The price on these processor is good, but I know that they are not Hyper-Threaded -- Will this impact the ability to edit with Aspect, or do compositing FX within After Effects? Or will the fact that there are two processor cores offset the fact that they are not Hyper-Threaded?

Sincerely,

Geoff Murillo

It will very much offset the lack of hyperthreading. These are GREAT CPUs for Aspect HD, you will get excellent real-time performance. We need to upgrade our website to recommend any of the dual core offerings.

Thanks.

-Geoff

Hi all.

I downloaded the latest version of AspectHD and installed it with Premiere Pro 1.5.1. However, when I try to capture, it is indicated that the capture device is offline. It does not detect the HDR-FX1.

The device manager indicates that the AVC subunit is not installed properly (exclamation point).

What may I do to remedy this problem? Thanks all.

Windows SP2
3.2 Intel P4
Asus P5P800
1 gig ram

Make sure your settings are according to this link, see if that might be the problem.

http://supportcenteronline.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=614


Mike

Thanks, I figured it out.

Had to install a sony dvhs driver.

Hi Cineform guys et all

1. Do I need premiere pro update 1.5.1 to install aspect HD?
2. Why should i buy aspect HD?
3. What spec of PC including graphics card and chipset(amd or pentium) would you recommend?

Kindest Rgds

Yas

1) PPro 1.5.1 contains some MPEG component updates that assist in exporting to HDV tape. If your projects are going back to HDV tape, PPro 1.5 will work fine, even PPro 1.0 can used with similar restrictions.

2) There are so many reasons. Quality, speed, support and large community of professional already using it. There are tool in the CineForm products that are not available is any other NLE solution.

3) Required systems are listed here: http://www.cineform.com/products/AspectHDPPro.htm. But that info doesn't reflect the new dual-core solutions which are excellent for Aspect HD. I have used Pentium D systems and amazed at the performance running Aspect HD. I haven't used an Althon X2 yet but I hear similar positive feedback from end-users.

After two months of research we settled on Cineform (two weeks ago).

We're still making some changes to our system (we're trying a different motherboard), but I did get to do some editing for one evening. I was amazed by how responsive and stable the system was.

The realtime effects work as promised.

With the price you can get the adobe video collection AND Aspect HD, it is a no-brainer. It's relatively close to the price of the adobe collection alone.

The Cineform codec for HDV is by far superior than the plugin Adobe offers (I've tried both).

We built a very fast editing system for under 2k. When we finish it I will post specs to the forum.

This is the fourth editing system I've put together in the last 8 years of production, and I'm very excited about it.

I will no longer tell people: "My system can do anything that a $100,000 avid system can do--it just might take a little longer."

Now I will tell them that my system is better AND faster.

This question has been discussed previously. Here are a couple threads to check:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=52804

This one has a lot of un-needed stuff in it so I copied some relevant parts below:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=44369&highlight=%22hdv+plugin%22

It is more than just a codec. The codec is part of Premiere Pro 1.5.1

It is the acceleration and fancy realtime effects that are worth the money. Worth every penny. If we had to do without Cineform in the market, we would still be waiting for Vegas and Premiere Pro to have a solution. Although you can buy the MainConcept solution for less money, you know?

But Aspect HD 3.0 is far superior to the other solutions, and if it costs money then you have to either justify it, or do without.

As some people say, there is no gravity, the earth sucks.

Remember what it cost befor Premiere Pro 1.5.1 was announced? $999

So you are getting a HUGE discount now.
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Paul, to me the value of Aspect HD for PPro 151 is in the following:

1. I can edit HDV in real time on my *existing* hardware, today.

2. I get huge savings in hard drive storage requirements, as AHD avi's are only about twice the size of the original m2t's (at Medium Size seting), while image quality afforded by AHD codec is still OK. And I'm picky on quality.

So as always, you can get any 2 of speed, price, quality. AHD gives you speed and quality.

If you want price and quality, simply transcode your m2t's into uncompressed AVI's; then make a low-res offline copy of them; edit offline footage; then replace it with the high-res AVI's. You'll lose a lot of time and HDD storage, but will win on price - no AHD required.

I also think that AHD is a bit overpriced at $500; I'd figure $300 is more reasonable for what it does. But, since AHD is the only game in Wintel town, they can sell it at whatever the market allows.

Bottom line: I bought Aspect HD at $500 for a commercial project, and it was 100% worth it for me.

As for you, "pick any 2 of Speed, Price, or Quality" rule always applies - so it's your decision.
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Hi everyone, my question is - will Aspect work with Vegas and PPro, or do you need the connect HD to work with Vegas?

Seems like most people on the Cineform thread are PPro users, any input on the pro/con of each? I just got a Sony HC-1 so I need HDV capability. Using the Demo version of PPro vs Vegas, in my limited time with them, they each have pro/cons. However, the reviews seem to favor Vegas. I assume they had the full version and were able to dive deeper into them then I have. Making an AVI file with each and importing to Premiere Elements - so I can burn a DVD -It seems Vegas puts out a richer color pallette, but if I was using the cineform codec, maybe this would not happen.
Also I've heard rumor of a new version of PPro - anyone else? If I buy the Adobe Video Collection, and there is a new version in a few months, is Adobe pretty reasonable on the upgrade, or will it cost big $$. Thanks, PK

I believe I saw in one of the threads that Cineform, if you have Aspect, also gives you Connect. (I believe the question there was if I upgrade to Aspect from Connect, will I get a credit. ) The Cineform people at that point seemed to indicate you would'nt pay for both. But connect does offer a separate funtionality for capture so I may be wrong...

Chris Barcellos

Every feature of Connect HD is within Aspect HD, so if you are using PPro and Vegas on the one PC, one installation of Aspect will do the trick.

Yes you can upgrade Connect HD to Aspect HD, here is the FAQ : http://www.cineform.com/products/FAQ.htm#Other3

Thanks for the info. Thats good news! Do you guys use PPro or Vegas? Any advantages/dis-advantages to either for working with HDV? Thanks Again - PK

I saw on the Cineform site, there is somewhat cryptic note that Aspect 4 will support the HVX but "no details at this time".

For those of on HVX200 order lists and PC users not nuts about spending huges $$$ on cross platfrom upgrades, the delay in HVX shipments is relief.

I'm currently using Vegas 6 but not optimistic that Sony is going to let them full-out support DVCPro-HD and P2.

Can you say at least when the details will be announced? And is "support" = full support (P2, MXF, Metadata, 1080p @ 24fps, Variable frame rates?).

Thanks for any crumbs you can throw my way...

My esteemed colleague David Newman is out of Internet access for about 48 hours, so I thought I'd jump in and tell you that AHD v4 is now live.

Sorry for the 24 hour delay - Michael, I hope you got some sleep last night! :-)

The Other David.

Thanks David, just tried a few things, importing old projects for one, worked perfectly so far, right now I am exporting a sequence from the timeline to compare with the same export I made earlier today, it appears to be taking a bit longer than before, although that may be an Adobe thing, conforming was actually a lot faster on PPro2, will post as I go, Thanks for getting that up!


Mike

The audio problem is back with the lag my exported video is 4minutes 10 seconds and 20 frames long, the project is 4min 7 sec 6 frames long, 3 second difference. and now you get the "green" screen if you use a premiere "Black video" by itself on a track, before you needed to put black video in an empty portion of a track that was rendering the work area or you would get green screen in that section.


Mike

It sure is nice being able to edit HDV properly again.

And I tried it in After Effects - no problem there at all.

I think David Newman deserves a day off, but two? Hmmm. :-)

Aspect HD version 4.0 is now available with support for both Adobe
Premiere Pro 2.0 and Adobe Premiere Pro 1.5.1. Although Premiere Pro 2
now supports editing of "native" HDV transport streams, Adobe and CineForm
remain strong business partners because Aspect HD offers substantial
workflow and feature advantages beyond those available in Premiere Pro
2.0.

Aspect HD literally quadruples the performance of Adobe Premiere Pro 2.0
and Premiere Pro 1.5.1 to offer real-time editing of multiple HDV streams
on affordable desktop PCs.

We have put together some amazing deals that include CineForm Aspect HD
and the new Adobe Production Bundles. For those just looking to upgrade
Premiere, we offer Premiere Pro 2 upgrade bundles with CineForm Aspect HD
for just $599.95!! If you are looking to purchase, or upgrade, to the
Adobe Production Studio Standard or Professional we are including both
PopDrops vol 1 and Shuttle Xpress – a $150 value – for FREE as part of our
CineForm Aspect HD / Adobe Production Studio bundles! To learn more or to
order go to http://www.videoguys.com/cineform.html

Gary

Hello

I have footages recorded by Firestore FS4 HD to m2t format.
On m2t files audio sync works but after converting to CF AVI sync is
gone... Any idea, is it v. 4.0 or what.

m2t format is 720P25 (JVC GY-HD101E PAL)

Jari

I like the look of cf 30, some jitter, anyone have a great workflow for this? help get rid of some jitter? capture settings, any ideas? We are doing a concert shoot for a Habitat for humanity fundraiser, I have solicited the help of many local videographers who own the FX1 ( we will have around eight cameras going) We also are doing a live recording of the band (thanks to Dan Humann (Stanley Clarks audio genius) anyway I really want to get the most out of the shoot, any tips?


Thanks
Mike

Michael

I use Cine 30 all the time. Capture with AspectHD, as progressive, medium file size. Treat it as progressive from then on. When you render it out, render it as progressive.

Shakey footage. The only way I know how to fix that is not have it shakey in the first place. Lock the cameras down on tripods or mono pods. John Rofano (VASST) has posted a link to some software he uses, but I have yet to try it, but know whatever you do in post to correct handheld footage will affect the resolution.

Thanks Jim, what I meant by jitter was the framerate when there is semi quick movement.

Thanks
Mike

I can't seem to find AspectHD 3.4 on the Cineform site. I understand you are promoting AspectHD 4.0 now but we don't see a benefit to upgrading at this point in time, and think it is unusual that you would no longer provide a link to v3.4 for those who have already paid for it. Can you post a link for all us owners of versions 2+.
Thanks
Ken Hodson
Rain Shadow Productions

Go to the support link on cineform.com then click on "Knowledge Base" then "downloads" to get Aspect HD 3.4.

The link is on the Aspect HD product page in the upgrade notes, but it's easy to miss.... The following link has a few less steps than going through our support site. http://www.cineform.com/products/UpgradeAHDStart.htm

Thanks very much guys. I searched and searched, to no avail. Everything kept turning up v4.02. Glad it is still up. I've been meaning to upgrade for a while. Good to know I still can.

I built a new system about 9 months ago, and bought the Nvidia PNY 540 video card bundled with Aspect HD from Videoguys. I note that Videoguys still sell this bundle. After installing everything I noticed that when using PP1.51 with AspectHD there was a 4 second loss of video overlay every time I played back or stopped playback from a HD timeline. I reported this to Cineform, Videoguys and Nvidia. Everybody promised to look into it. Thereafter everybody tried to avoid taking responsibility for the glitch.

Cineform claimed it was the Nvidia card which was not switching resolutions quickly enough between preview and playback quality. Oddly, if I edit using the built-in Cineform HDV presets in PP1.51 playback is perfect - no jump at all. I thus suspect that it is the Cineform software which is at fault. Videoguys nevertheless continue to bundle the two incompatible products, knowing that this problem exists. To date Cineform has not been able to offer me a solution.

My editors scream at me on a daily basis over this, and I'm now seriously considering dumping the system for a Canopus NX or Final Cut Pro option. All in all I'm VERY disappointed with the way this has been handled by all of the suppliers involved.

Derek,

We know exactly what it is up, as a result we do favor the Matrox Parhelia AVPe card, and other cards coming to the market may also do better. The problem is a combination of factors, no one is particularly to blame, although it might be nice if dealers bundle a preferred card. The FX540 card's overlay is setup in a way that is inefficient for use by the playback accelerator within Aspect HD to use; it is awkward to work-around. If you have no acceleration there isn't a problem (a.k.a. the stock mode in PPro 1.5.1.) Many HD content creaters are moving up to Prospect HD Edit which supports the AJA Xena HS/LH/LHe cards, these are cards designed for one purpose, pro video, as a result there are no overlay issues, scrub to playback is seamless (these card don't have "overlay" which it really a mechanism for general purpose cards to show video.) So addressing the fault of the FX540 has to be balanced with everything else, this is an annoying issue, impacting a small number of users, but ultimately it doesn't not effect the final output quality, so as result this has not being prioritized above camera support and any bug that impacts quality. NVidia has informed us that we can't completely eliminate the flash with FX540 without disabling our acceleration, or without a driver change for the graphics card, which CineForm is simply not big enough to make happen at NVidia. We believe the start time can be reduced, so the bug remains in our database, but I can't promise that will be investigated anytime soon. I'm sorry this isn't a nicer solution, and I know you have otherwise been a strong supporter of Aspect HD. If you do look beyond Aspect HD, do at least consider a Prospect HD Edit with an LH card, see if we can find solution that works for you.

Hi David. Does the Matrox Parhelia also have a jump? If not I'll just dump the PNY540. However, if playback is not seamless with Matrox, I need to know. As you say, I do support Aspect HD, so this bug is annoying as it also makes it difficult to promote AspectHD here in South Africa, where I often run HDV Masterclasses and workshops for filmmakers from all over Africa. Once they see the jump on playback using AspectHD many roll their eyes, as you can imagine. I'm pushing AspectHD here as it's an inexpensive option for a continent where independent filmmakers work on very small budgets. I fear that Prospect HD will be too expensive, as will the AJA Xena cards. I ran a Masterclass for about 50 filmmakers in November and we had FCP systems, Edius NX, Sony Vegas and Premiere Pro with AspectHD. More than half the participants clustered around my system, as its affordable and familiar. In South Africa FCP and Apple are very expensive, with limited support. Vegas and Canopus are not well known. Adobe Premiere is what poor filmmakers tend to use.

I really do think that Videoguys should stop bundling the PNY540 with AspectHD though if this is a known issue.

There are still a few frames of black is the playback launch of the Parahelia, but it is far-far less annoying than the 540. The 540 tries to display the desktop, which you can't normally see, as it throws the monitor out of sync. The Parahelia doesn't do this, so it playback start is much cleaner.

Users of the Parahelia please add you comments.

Looks like the latest version of Aspect is available on the Cineform site. My understanding is that this version allows export to m2t in PPro 2.0.

Yes and no. They was a bug that prevent some exports even using the 1.5.1 encoder tools. We are working on the licensing issue to allow M2T encoding to all the rate frames, within PPro 2.0 without having 1.5.1 installed.

David
So, where does that leave us re m2t?
Will v. 4.03 export Sony HDV sourced CFHD 1080i drop frame to m2t on PPro 2.0, or do we still need PPro 1.51??

You can use PPro 2.0 but the 1.5.1 needs to remain installed. We are clearing up the licensing so that we can support M2T without 1.5.1 installed.

I'm just starting with hd, and have a couple of questions:

We work in PPro 2.0, and just downloaded the trial version of aspect hd (but haven't used it yet). I've ben shooting with a Canon xl2, but recently bought a Sony FX1.
Can I get a 24p look with footage shot in 60i on the FX1,by converting it with Aspect hd? I read on one of the fx1 threads that this works well. If so, how do I accomplish this?
Does it matter if I use a 24 or 29.97 timeline in PPro? Ideally, I'd like to use xl2 24p footage in the same project timeline with the FX1 footage (shot in hdv) but in an sd timeline.
We've already successfully combined FX1 hdv footage(60) with XL2 footage (60) in an sd project timeline. But we'd like to do it with that 24 look.
Bruce S. Yarock
P.S.-David Newman- I also sent this question to Cineform, but then I realized that you're moderating this forum. Sorry about the double post.

Aspect HD handles all the native 24p/f/cf modes of all the HDV cameras, yet it doesn't convert 60i to 24p; for that opteration you should consider DVFilm for Magic Bullet. Once 60i in converted to 24p, you then use Aspect HD with a 24p timeline. You can use CineForm 24p AVIs in an SD timeline if you wish.

Thanks, david.
Is dv film part of magic bullett?
Bruce Yarock

Separate products from different vendors.

Using PPro 2 with Cineform HDV 1080i proejct. Aspect HD PZR dropped onto a small clip stutters on playback at about a 1Hz rate. The clip will play for a second and stutter, play for another second and stutter. Force Render cleans it up, but is it necessary to use FR to get real-time playback?

Best,
Christopher

On a slower PC yes. PZR uses more CPU than a color corrector or a transition.

On a slower PC yes. PZR uses more CPU than a color corrector or a transition.

I have a dual core dual processor AMD Opteron with 4 GB memory, nVidia 4500 graphics, 10,000 rpm drive for the OS, and four drive SATA RAID 0 for video. This Boxx built system is a screamer. Is it too slow to run PZR in real time without rendering?

Best,
Christopher