Ok, so I tried to use this softbox for the first time the other day, and noticed after having it on for 20 minutes or so that it was sagging in an unnatural way. After disassembling it and closely inspecting things, it seems the sag was caused by the plastic base around one of the rods attached to the speed ring melting.

Anyway, I asked the guy who sold it to me if has any rods with metal bases, but if he doesn't for some reason, anyone know where I can find 'em? The softbox itself seemed to be okay, except where it came in physical contact with the Tota-light inside it after sagging (flaking off of the reflective interior. . .burn marks).

I just need the rods. It's for a 24x36" box.



By the way, what separates those boxes made for strobe lighting from those made for hot lights?

In a word, materials.

I visited the Channel 7 news studio in San Francisco. They use softboxes made for use with strobes because they like the light. But they admitted to having a few fire extinguishers handy all the time.

You have to have all-metal construction. Plastic just won't make it when you use a softbox with halogen lights.

Sorry, all metal construction where? You mean the speed ring and support rods?

Yes, the rods and ring. I don't think the plastics they use for intake manifolds on automobile engines would last for long.

Maybe if you had a fan on the setup plastic would survive but then you'd have the fan noise to contend with.

My portable softbox is all metal and the fabric is really heat-proof.

Josh,
When I was first looking into softboxes I, too, considered getting a unit that did not specifically say it was designed for "continuous lighting". Ultimately I shrugged, ponied-up for the extra scratch and got a Photoflex. Many months later I was watching a fashion photo shoot and noticed that their strobe boxes were, indeed, manufactured quite differently than my Photoflex or my Chimera.

As Mike said, "materials".

Well, the speed ring is from photoflex, and the rods are metal, it's the thick part at the base of each rod that is plastic. . .i just need some aluminum tipped rods or just the aluminum tubing to fit around the bare metal


As for the box, like I said, it was on for 15-20 minutes in my estimation, and seemed fine except where it physically touched the tota after sagging. If I turn out to be wrong, oh well, I'll get a real photoflex box. . .can't be too expensive if I don't get a light or a speed ring with it.

As long as any problem you might have happens when there isn't a customer around, you'd probably be OK.

But if the box goes up in flames and/or it causes damage, you could be in for some problems.

I'd certainly keep a fire extinguisher handy.

What you will probably see is the fabric will delaminate and discolor over time.

Might not be too late to sell what you have to a still photog and get a setup rated for continuous use.

Josh, you don't mention what brand the softbox is. Sounds like you have a strobe bag instead of a hot light unit. Phtoflex hot light bags have metal rod ends.

You may also be using higher wattage in the box than it is rated for. Softbanks are rated for heat, larger ones can handle more watts. Though I think most 24x36 bags would be rated at around 1000 watts -- IF they are for hot lights.

Whoever is doing the lighting at Channel 7 in SF is a moron. There is no difference in light quality between the strobe units and the hot light units, only heat rating. I truly hate to see an unsafe situation justified in such an asinine way.

I have a Photoflex softbox, speedring and rods and i can assure you there is no danger of anything melting. This scenario is why i refuse to buy anything except from a reputable retailer. I will buy online but there has to be a bricks and mortar establishment at the end of the line.

In an effort to salvage the situation, it is important to know exactly what brand and model each of the components are. We know you have a Tota and you say it's a photoflex speedring. Worst case is $180 for a new brimstone lined soft box and the metal rods that come with it. Brimstone is the fabric that the Photoflex silverdome is made out of and believe me it doesn't flake. The westcott and chimera are also great stuff but cost more.

Seems to me Josh must shoulder some of the blame for his predicament. This thread has really been going on for a few pages under different names, winding inexorably to this unhappy conclusion. Buying gear piecemeal off the internet, in an effort to save money and be "clever," can yield poor results. Josh has received some good advice along the way, from people like Richard Veil of Chimera, which he has chosen to ignore as he marches to his own drummer. Now, it appears he has been sold the wrong gear from some fellow on e-bay who does not care whether Josh burns down the house or not; he just wants his cash.

I fully understand the desire to save money, but the old saw about being "pennywise and pound foolish" certainly applies in this instance. Before you can buy piece-by-piece, you best know what it is exactly you are after.

Sorry if it sounds like I am picking on you Josh, but I have helped you enough in the past to call you on this one. Hopefully, others will learn from your experience.

Wayne Orr, SOC

Well, as I said, this is a brandless box. . .the seller said, and still says, it works for up to 1000 watts of continuous light. However, he now tells me, this is with his universal speed ring, not the photoflex one which I bought. His speed ring has two parts that keep heat transmission between light and ring way down. However, as there was no way to attach a Tota to the one he was selling, I purchased the photoflex ring.

Of course I accept some responsibility, but having bought 15 or so items off "the bay" and having had no problems 'til just now, I'll keep with it.

If the rib tips are plastic, he fibs.

Some things aren't worth saving a couple of bucks.

Sigh. . .you're probably right.

It isn't a couple of bucks though. The cheapest softbox I'd be interested in (medium silverdome or movie dome is around $250.

While it was on. . .it was such a beautiful quality of light. . .so it quite pisses me off.

Josh
the medium siverdome is $180 at B&H and the cinedome is $190. For the $179.95 the medium silverdome comes with a kit.

All due respects , but you've been given this info before. I know because i gave it to you. You've been given the correct info yet you choose not to listen. When the shortcut backfires, it becomes a catastrophe everytime.


http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?BI=155&O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=152322&is=REG


http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?BI=155&O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=197002&is=REG

The cinedome's only meant for fresnels, though, right?

Also, it says the silverdome will handle up to 400 degrees Farenheit. Will my Tota be okay in there, even if I lamp it up to 750 watts?

I lost $55 and melted some plastic. . .catastrophe's a little dramatic, don't you think?

I'd just like to conclude by thanking everyone involved for making me feel extraordinarily stupid, instead of just mildly so.

Just shrug it off Josh. I'm sure making you feel stupid was their intention.

The cinedome will work with broadlights as well as fresnels. It has a longer throat, cost slightly more and doesn't include the accessories. $10 difference ain't a lot and if you have no use for the masks or louvers, go for it.

If it's any consolation i've made more than a $180 mistake before as i'm sure most of use have. just don't compound it by making do with what you have.

"I'd just like to conclude by thanking everyone involved for making me feel extraordinarily stupid, instead of just mildly so. "

Josh, as far as I know, we haven't interacted before. So I cannot judge the comments by others. But I for one, am not going to sugar-coat my input but I didn't believe I was that rough on you in any respect.

My advice is to learn what you can from the comments and ignore the personal comments. If you do, as has been suggested, make a practice of buying off-brand or from non-standard sources, you are going to get burned from time-to-time.

TANSTAFL There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

Trust me Josh, losing $55 is getting off easy. This was a relatively inexpensive lesson to learn. Just chalk it up to experience -- and remember, you always get what you pay for, especially from Ebay.

In the future, when you get good advice from people here who know what they're talking about, and more importantly are taking time to give you input, it really pays off to take the route they're suggesting. Because the flip side of that -- "I told ya so, you'll be sorry, you shoulda listened," etc. -- that stuff don't taste too good. I know because I've ate it before.

A little wisdom from the past:

"It's unwise to pay too much, but it's unwise to pay too little. When you pay too much you lose a little money, that is all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing you bought it to do. The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot--it can't be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it's well to add something for the risk you run. And if you do that, you will have enough to pay for something better."

John Ruskin, (1819-1900)

After all, paying for cheap crap several times usually ends up costing more than buying quality once.

I saw a new chimera on ebay for $190...that doesn't seem that expensive.

J

Yea your silverdome is good for your tota 750 watt bulb.

Does your light bank have a name on it or what....???
You can order rods direct from Photoflex or Chimera.
Measure your rod to help save time.

YOU may be able to use up to 500 watt bulbs in your bank even if it is a strobe bank although it is not recomended.
This is only in theory.

No name on the box at all.

No. . .you boys have set me straight. I'll be 'ebaying' this bank and ordering a silverdome from B&H.

Ok.. So you have a Tota light ..

and you have a Photoflex Speedring.

... yes.. the Cinedome is for Fresnels.. it is deeper than the Silverdome and you don't need that.
As far as heat you are fine. don't worry.

You have to deciede on a Silverdome or a VideoproPlus from Chimera

Either will work for your light.

The Chimera company makes excellent products. Chimera's tend to last longer, look better, are lighter, not yellow as quickly, have a 5yr warr and are made and maintained in CO USA.
A 24x32 is Item 8124.
If I can help just let me know.
It is all good my brother..
Strength and honor
r

Thank you my brother. I shall act more carefully in the future (or just not post on here if I don't).

Someone help me out here. B&H has the 24 X32 Chimera Pro Video--I'm assuming for continuous lighting, since it doesn't say "for flash only"--for $230, $50 more than the equivalent sized photoflex box.

Will that come with everything I need? The speed ring I already have should be compatible, but I can't discern whether it's misssing something that I ought to have.

The photoflex and Chimera speed ring are interchangeable.

Alright, thanks gents. I'm going by Chimera guy's claims, is all. If anyone has differing opinions as to the merits of Chimera over Photoflex, make them known. Don't start a flame war or anything, though.