We have uploaded a new release of Neo Scene today that handles the camera's dynamic range in a much or convenient way, avoiding those crush blacks and clipped highlights. We have extended the trial another 7-days for those who have tried the tool before.

Neo Scene (http://www.cineform.com/products/NeoScene.htm)

We have uploaded a new release of Neo Scene today that handles the camera's dynamic range in a much or convenient way, avoiding those crush blacks and clipped highlights. We have extended the trial another 7-days for those who have tried the tool before.

Neo Scene (http://www.cineform.com/products/NeoScene.htm)

Yo' the man.

David,

I had tried NeoScene a few weeks ago, with good success. I saw your posting here and wanted to trial the new version. I filled out the form and clicked submit, but nothing happens (no download, no message), I'm just left on the same page.

Is there a restriction against re-downloading if your download trial has expired?

Thanks,

Marc

W00t! just downloaded the old version, but will test drive the new one. Thanks David!

We have uploaded a new release of Neo Scene today that handles the camera's dynamic range in a much or convenient way, avoiding those crush blacks and clipped highlights. We have extended the trial another 7-days for those who have tried the tool before.

Neo Scene (http://www.cineform.com/products/NeoScene.htm)

The file is identical to the one I downloaded on 2/22:

Name: NEO-Player-3.4.9.193-Setup.exe
Size: 4,656

The place I just downloaded it from (CineForm NEO Player (http://www.cineform.com/products/Downloads/DownloadNEOPlayerStart.htm)) says "Updated Jan 27, 2009: Download NEO Player (Windows):".

Edit: (reason stupidity). I downloaded the "player" again, which contrary to the message above did not change. I'll go get Neo Scene now.

David,

I had tried NeoScene a few weeks ago, with good success. I saw your posting here and wanted to trial the new version. I filled out the form and clicked submit, but nothing happens (no download, no message), I'm just left on the same page.

Is there a restriction against re-downloading if your download trial has expired?

Thanks,

Marc

You've probably figured this out by now, but there is no indication anything happens when you submit the form and then the link is sent via email. They make great video software but could use a few improvements on their website.

Yes we are actively work to replaces our stale website, lot of progress behind the scenes. The download link comes as an email -- I have tested that from home and it is working fine.

Thanks Mark! Yep, email was waiting for me.

David, don't sweat the website too much -- concentrate on making great software for the 5D2!!

Marc

Went out to test my new 5D2 today, and when I returned, found the new NeoScene info. I downloaded and used for this test edit....

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YouTube - TheCouple (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmbJr8x-s08)

We have uploaded a new release of Neo Scene today that handles the camera's dynamic range in a much or convenient way, avoiding those crush blacks and clipped highlights. We have extended the trial another 7-days for those who have tried the tool before.

Neo Scene (http://www.cineform.com/products/NeoScene.htm)

Hi, I thought the previous (week ago) release handled 5D files without crushed blacks and clipped highlights. How does the transcoding of 5D files technically differ between this and the recent release?

Thanks.

First of all, a quick kudos to the Cineform crew: thank you for working to making this product better.

That said, I have just installed it and have passed through a test clip. I compared this newly transcoded file with an example of that same clip that had been processed with 1.1 and the histograms (and individual frames in the file) appear absolutely identical on the vegas timeline. Is that how it should be?

I checked the version of cfhd.dll that's installed in my windows/system32 folder and it's dated 2/27/09, with properties showing File Version 4.7.0.328 and a product version of 1, 1, 2, 110, so I assume this is the correct codec.

Vegas Pro is the one exception as it wasn't having issues before. Vegas uses studio RGB which places black at 16,16,16 not 0,0,0, as a resulting all the YUV 0-255 data is presented in RGB. All other tools use compter graphics RGB (Premiere Pro and Elements, AE, VirtualDub, MediaPlayer etc.) which stretch the 16-235 YUV to 0-255 RGB, lossing highlight and shadow detail for the Canon (now fixed in NeoScene 1.1.2.)

Added an blog entry to explain what we did in Neo Scene 1.1.2 to improve the dynamic range and editability : CineForm Insider: New Canon 5D Mk-II support with Neo Scene 1.1.2 (http://cineform.blogspot.com/2009/02/new-canon-5d-mk-ii-support-with-neo.html)

This build is crashing Explorer again!

In Premiere CS3 I tried exporting a JPEG sequence animation I'm working on to a Cineform AVI. It exported fine but the resulting file crashes Explorer if I try to do anything with it.

I also tried rendering my timeline to Cineform files and it got about 75% of the way through before Premiere crashed and shut down. On restarting the project the rendered files still had a red bar through them on the timeline. Trying to import the rendered files from the preview folder would again crash Premiere and Explorer?

Anyone else with this problem?

I had removed the previous trial of Neoscene and all Cineform folders and registry keys, before installing the latest version.

And I don't have Nero installed. I know this was causing issues for others

The previous issue with explorer crashing is not in this version, as it was due to a bug in a third party protection warpping that we are no longer using. You only need to remove cfhd.dll from windows/system32 (removed automatically with an installed anyway.) So you are describing something else. Export a short sequence that does it, and email it to me (dnewman@ci....)

I sent a file to David and he confirmed that the issue is due to my custom timeline: 1920x823.

He said this is an issue due to the odd number of vertical pixels and they are looking into it but in the meantime to use 824 instead.

823 heigh decodes have now been fixed, and will be supported in the next release.

Am I to infer from this thread and the FAQ on CineForm that Neo Scene is now working with PP CS4?

Thanks

Tom

It always did, yet on some PCs the CS3 importer got in the way and had to be manually deleted. All that changed was the installer script to prevent the CS3 component going into CS4.

It always did, yet on some PCs the CS3 importer got in the way and had to be manually deleted. All that changed was the installer script to prevent the CS3 component going into CS4.

Cracking open the Visa now!

Thanks for the fast response

Tom

David,

I tried to fill several times the form to get the download link of Neo Scene Windows Trial version, but no way. The next page leads to nothing and nothing more by email. Jake is supposed to send me this link. Would it be possible to have it ?

A small suggestion : it would be really great if you could rebuild the whole website and to make it clearer and more straightforward.

Thanks,

Jean-Charles Wolfarth

Yes we are re-building the site, I need to put that in my signature, I say that two a day now.

Site does send an email but you are not getting them for some reason. Are you not get Jake's either? Do you have another email account you can try? We can't find you name in the database, so it is hard to follow up.

P.S. Just found you, none of our mail to you is getting through. You are having email problems.

Thanks David, Jake finally sent me the link.

I tried the demo of neoscene but I cannot play the files smoothly via Media Player Classic or via Adobe Premiere Elements. I installed the player codec but that did not help even though I can see MPC is using it.

My specs are:

Core2Duo E8400@ 3.6GHz
8GB RAM
GeForce 8800 gts 320MB
Vista x64
2xRAID0 setup

I had similar issues until I activated "fast" playback:

Go to Start->Programs->CineForm->NeoScene->tools->Desktop Playback -- Fast

Guillaume

I tried the demo of neoscene but I cannot play the files smoothly via Media Player Classic or via Adobe Premiere Elements. I installed the player codec but that did not help even though I can see MPC is using it.

My specs are:

Core2Duo E8400@ 3.6GHz
8GB RAM
GeForce 8800 gts 320MB
Vista x64
2xRAID0 setup

Also, make sure premiere is set to draft quality display.

im jst trying Neo SCene...

ive converted a mov. file that was around 97mb in size. "High" was selected for export quality and 30p was maintained.

The conversion works... but for some reason its really slow. In task manager my CPU usage is only hovering around 2%-3% usage with HDlink. HDlink isnt taking advantage of all 4 CPU's

HDlink will run at full power at 91-40 ish then slowly dieing down to 02-01 in task manger. Its like it runs outa steam or something during conversion.

www.ozan.ca/mk2/slow.jpg

Previous cineform Aspect and Prospect worked without any performance issues.

update: I didnt have my speakers on to hear audio... Ive jst noticed that the audio is completely distorted on all the clips. Video looks great though.

Im running...

2.6 Intel quad core
4gigs of ram
raid0 media drive
10rpm system drive

My system is a dedicated editing system so its disease free from the internet. Never had performance issues before.

That's odd. Do you have the /3GB switch set? In general, that's needed for Win32 PCs with more than 2GB of RAM installed.

That's odd. Do you have the /3GB switch set? In general, that's needed for Win32 PCs with more than 2GB of RAM installed.

yes i do,

Im jst looking at the graph CPU history.... all the green lines are silent on all 4 CPU's while HDlink slowly converts away.

I recommend contacting Cineform. Maybe they've seen this before.

I had similar issues until I activated "fast" playback:

Go to Start->Programs->CineForm->NeoScene->tools->Desktop Playback -- Fast

Guillaume

Now my trial has expired so I dont really have any clips to test it on :(

Also, make sure premiere is set to draft quality display.

I cannot find that setting?

with Premiere open.... look at the top right corner of the preview screen... there you will see a small arrow . Click on the arrow and lots of display items become available...

including the draft quality display setting.

You should check out each setting as there are some that are important there... like the
scopes for example...

with Premiere open.... look at the top right corner of the preview screen... there you will see a small arrow . Click on the arrow and lots of display items become available...

including the draft quality display setting.

You should check out each setting as there are some that are important there... like the
scopes for example...

On CS3 it's on the right click menu.

with Premiere open.... look at the top right corner of the preview screen... there you will see a small arrow . Click on the arrow and lots of display items become available...

including the draft quality display setting.

You should check out each setting as there are some that are important there... like the
scopes for example...

No such thing. Mind you this is Elements 7 I am using.

I get a "format not supported" error message when trying to convert.

Windows XP / 64 bit

I get a "format not supported" error message when trying to convert.

Windows XP / 64 bit

Do you have Quicktime Installed on your PC? Make sure and get the latest.

I just installed the trial version of NeoScene on a VISTA 64 bit PC. It does the conversions of the Canon 5D Mark II HD MOV files but when I drag the clips to the Vegas Pro 8.1 timeline all I get is the audio portion. If I double click on a converted AVI file it opens it up in Windows Media Player and it plays fine. Any ideas on why Vegas does not see the video, just the audio?

Vegas 8.1 is not compatilible with 32-bit VfW codecs, you need 8.0c.

Is CineForm going to have a 64 bit version of NeoScene? Does this mean that if i want to use NeoScene I can't use Vegas Pro 8.1 ? I wonder if anyone can speak to the pros / cons of going backwards to 32 bit Vegas on Vista 64 bit to use NeoScene, or am I better off just staying with Vegas 8.1 and not use NeoScene? This whole video thing is new to me with the 5D, which I bought mainly for it's still picture capability.

8.0c and 8.1 are pretty much the same. You are not likely to experience any difference, other than more AVI sources will work (including ours.) We have no immediate plans for the 64-bit of a Video for Windows codec.

I just installed Vegas 8.0c and NeoScene seems to work fine as far as the preview displaying smoothly (haven't gotten any further). When I tried to install that suggested free AC3 filter I had an error and it wouldn't install (maybe because I am using Vista 64 bit). I will just be recording in stereo and outputting in stereo, so is there any need for me to even install an AC3 filter?

8.0c and 8.1 are pretty much the same. You are not likely to experience any difference, other than more AVI sources will work (including ours.) We have no immediate plans for the 64-bit of a Video for Windows codec.

The mmx and sse extensions to the processor for video processing have always been something very big like 64-bits, 128-bit, or even 256-bits (maybe). The software running at "64-bits" has no real advantage over "32-bits".

It's more complicated than I'm explaining here (not because I'm simplifying, but because I don't really know), but the concept is valid.

The mmx and sse extensions to the processor for video processing have always been something very big like 64-bits, 128-bit, or even 256-bits (maybe). The software running at "64-bits" has no real advantage over "32-bits".

It's more complicated than I'm explaining here (not because I'm simplifying, but because I don't really know), but the concept is valid.

Agreed, CineForm uses 128-bit instructions for media processing. "64-bit" is an addressing thing so applications can use more then 4GB at once -- we don't need that.

I just installed Vegas 8.0c and NeoScene seems to work fine as far as the preview displaying smoothly (haven't gotten any further). When I tried to install that suggested free AC3 filter I had an error and it wouldn't install (maybe because I am using Vista 64 bit). I will just be recording in stereo and outputting in stereo, so is there any need for me to even install an AC3 filter?

Most of these cameras encode stereo as AC3, we use any AC-3 decoder to decompress the audio, but systems not have a decoder installed that is way we recommend this filter.

I just processed my first clips using NeoScene and Vegas 8.0c . I had already processed these clips as mov files straight out of the 5D Mark II and output them as 1920 x 1080 HD.
I processed them with NeoScene using the Main Concept codec and also the Sony AVC codec. The render time was a lot faster but both clips look faded (much lower contrast) then the clips processed without NeoScene as native 5D mov files. Is this to be expected or is there something I need to change?

I should have mentioned that the initial conversion out of NeoScene is fine and there is no noticable lost of contrast. The reduced contrast happens when I render these converted files from Vegas as Mpeg-4 HD files.

This is a Vegas display issue/design choice, as it defaults to displaying black to level 16 not zero. The MOV import is getting this wrong and the older Neo Scene did also. If you prefer to preview black at 0, there is the video system RGB to compter graphic RGB filters, add maybe similar controls in the Vegas Setup. You will notice the Neo Scene desktop playback is correct so it just the way Vegas defaults.

What version of Quicktime do you have? QT 7.6 captures the whites and blacks, but boosts the mid tones. Earlier versions of QT crop the blacks and whites. Sure, it increases contrast, but crushes blacks and whites.

The best way to use Vegas, if you don't have Neo Scene, is to Open QT and export your MOV files as MP4s. You will lose the audio, so keep your MOVs. Make sure to "rewrap" when saving as an MP4. It's fast, as there is no re-encoding.

In Vegas, you will need to apply the Computer -> Studio RGB filter to your clips or tracks, if your project is in 8-bit mode. The files will then render properly in most cases. That should be your baseline. If you want a different contrast, apply your own color curves, levels, gamma and so on to taste.

When using Neo Scene, you should be able to confirm that the levels are the same as your baseline. You may also need to apply the Computer -> Studio RGB to get everything to match.

With Neo Scene you won't lose your audio, and editing is MUCH faster than with MOVs or MP4s.

This is a Vegas display issue/design choice, as it defaults to displaying black to level 16 not zero. The MOV import is getting this wrong and the older Neo Scene did also. If you prefer to preview black at 0, there is the video system RGB to compter graphic RGB filters, add maybe similar controls in the Vegas Setup. You will notice the Neo Scene desktop playback is correct so it just the way Vegas defaults.

So why doesn't Vegas default to this when I use the mov files right out of the 5D?