Thanks! It works fine now. I am not happy the way Premiere does captures. You would expect more form Adboe and for the prices they charge! Also the fact that I can not do anything else is insane, even in $79 Studio I can capture awhile doing other things! Well I may just be capturing in Studio or VV# and then when I need Premiere I will import the clips. Thanks again!

Does any body know if there is a way to remove/workaround the 18 minute video capture limit in Premiere? Thanks.

There is no 18 minute limit in Premiere. I'm pretty certain the
problem is with your filesystem. Please answer the following:

1. What OS are you running?
2. What version of Premiere?
3. What filesystem do you have on your capture drive? Fat or
NTFS? You can right-click on a drive and select properties to
see this.

The problem is that 18 minutes is 4 GB of needed disc space. Only
NTFS filesystem supports files larger than 4 GB. So you need to
run Windows 2000 or XP and have the drive formatted as NTFS.
Then you can capture as long as you want.

Good luck.

Hi Rob,
Here are the answers to your questions:
1. I am running Windows 98SE.
2. I have version 6.02 of Premiere.
3. The filesystem on my drive is FAT32.
So I guess I need to either ghost my drive and then format it to NTFS or just up the money and finally buy XP.

Thanks!

there are some capture software that can do a "seamless" capture. where it seems like it'll cap a whole tape, but it's just splitting up the files into whatever lenght/size you specify (under the OS size limit of course). i believe (not 100% sure) ulead can do this. i know canopus has software specific to their products that can do this, i would think others (matrox, pinnacle) would have this too, depending on what you're capturing with. either way i'd still pony up and get w2kpro or winxp pro.

edit: also win9x does not support or recognize ntfs.

G'day Scott,

Not sure if this is your problem or not but I was having a similar run when I remembered I had to tick "Capture as reference AVI" in the capture options. I think thats what it's called, can't check just now as I'm capturing 2.5 hours of a stage show.

Now that said I am using Prem 6.5/storm2, could be differnt to prem 6.

Cheers...Paul.

Thanks Paul...What OS do you use though? That might make a difference.

Scott, the reference AVI is a setting introduced by a Canopus card's presence. In my Premiere 6 it shows up as a DV Raptor capture option. It's how Canopus gets around the VfW file size limit, creating a series of files that appear seamless in editing. I run Win2k Pro on NTFS drives and still have a file size issue thanks to the Canopus codec. I can make files of any size, but can only capture up to 2GB per file - except via the reference AVI option, which I don't use.

David Hurdon

Yes, you really need to NTFS, but Win98 does not have that option.

If you do not want to go XP, you could go Win2K.

However, you do not need to worry about the capture limit unless its just too much of a hassle for you. You can capture an entire tape as 18 minute segments and render the entire tape back without the loss of one frame.

Happy Holidays,

Yeah I thought about doing that where i could capture in little 18 minute segments, but that is way too much work for me. I want to start capturing, play the tape and come back 60 minutes later with the whole tape on my HD. I need to do this continusly for several tapes so I can't sit around and start/stop my tape and capture every 18 minutes. That would be a real pain! Well this you guys! You have been a great help. Gotta go XP!

Thanks again!

Personally I would not capture that length as one file. Much better using a batch capture utility and mark your scenes.
One big file can become one big headache.
That being said I do like your win XP upgrade idea because NTFS is better for video.

Best of luck,

Rick,
The reason I wanted to capture one long file was for archive purposes not for editing purposes. I need to take some of my DV tapes and transfer it onto my PC to put on either a CD or a DVD. I havn't decided which. So, as you can see, it would be a pain to have to sew together many 18 minute segments and then render back to avi. Thanks for the input!

I see.
Really the best way to this is to use DV tape backup.
You have to use MPEG-2 to fit very much video on DVD media.
Or Hard drives are so cheap you can keep your individual projects in their own Hard drive and charge your client. I use removable drives and explain the choices that my client has for backup safety. With a price tag attached to each solution and explain the advantages/disadvantages. Most of my clients once explained are happy to pay the extra cost for back up. Most choose to back up on a hardrive and or DV tape.

Takes the pressure of me when the client understands and excepts the risks.

These are the choices I give to them.

Drive caddies
Standard DV
Mini DV
DVD
SVHS
VHS

Just some thoughts,
cheers

Thanks Rick,
I have already considered all those options, and I had concluded that a HD would be the most practical way to store my DV and HDs are pretty cheap, but it was still too much to spend right now. I was looking for a 20 cent method (CDs) or a three dollar method (DVDs). In the near future, if quality and amount of video becomes an issue then I will buy a nice large HD to store my video on. But until then, I will keep using DVDs.

P.S. If anyone is into quality loss-less DVD or DVD-RW storage I found a great program. It is called Backup My PC made by STOMP. It allows you to seamlessly back up files, DV, or anything you want! It will write to one DVD and then when it runs out of room on that DVD it asks for a second and will continue writing to that second DVD, even if it is in the middle of the file. If you have info files (.doc, .exe, etc. etc.) it will compress them losing no quality. It can't do this for DV because it will lose quality. Then when you want to restore (a) file(s) to your HD from the DVDs just start up the Backup My PC software and select the files you want to restore and voila! Well anyways, the only downside to this method of storage is the time factor. It takes me an hour to burn one DVD where as if I was using a HD it would take 2 minutes. Sorry I wrote so long, if anyone wants to know more email me! scott-silverman@atttbi.com

Thanks for all your help!

Scott

Thanks for the BUMP recco. I've just installed the trial version and it looks like a great solution for project backups. Now, if you could just tell me where you get $3 DVD-R blanks! In Toronto the best I've done is CDN$9, which is about US$5.75.

David Hurdon

PS I tried emailing you first, but got it back undeliverable.

Hi David,
I am glad you found that software to be useful. I thought it was a great solution for smaller amounts of storage. I get my $3 DVD-Rs at Fry's Electronics. They occasionallly go on sale for $2 there also. I am not sure if Fry's are located in Canada, but I doubt it. They do have a web site (www.outpost.com) but I don't know if they carry the same line of products there as in their store. Also, by the time you pay for shipping, it may not be much of a deal. One suggestion: check eBay. They often have good deals and if you are really into using DVD-Rs they have spools of 100 DVDs for a lot cheaper than buying just three.

Good luck!

P.S. I don't know why my email won't work. I checked my address in my profile and it is correct. Oh well, this works fine too!

Inexpensive DVD stock can be had at Tigerdirect.com as well as numerous other outlets on the web
KennJ

I am having the exact same problem only I am running XP and Premiere 6.0. My system should be fine, it is Intel P4 1.7 Ghz with 512 RAM. I'm a little suspicious of only having little over 4 GBs of Hard drive space.

I've monitored the System manager to see if the processor or RAM max out during playback, and they don't.

It starts jumping at 4 minutes almost exactly just about every time. I have gone into the project settings and fiddled around with them. One time I turned the audio to 41000hz and it exported 10 minutes of the project before messing up.

I've looked and seen that my Firewire, video card and a couple other things are sharing IRQ 11. yet I don't know how to change the IRQ in XP. Plus I'm a little hesitant about doing that.

Even as I was editing the film in Premiere I have never been able to preview the video completely through. However if I simply click STOP and then PLAY again it works for another few minutes and starts spazzing out again...doing the same STOP PLAY has let me enjoy this very funny first project of mine...dispite the frustration.

If anyone knows an answer for XP please let me know. Thanks a lot!!!

I'm thinking these things:

1. fragmentation (defragment your harddisks)
2. DMA is disabled on your IDE controller. If you go
down to the device manager you can turn DMA on for
every IDE channel you have
3. By any chance you have your camera still connected?

I thought defragmenting might be the answer also, but it did not fix the problem.

Then I went into the Device Manager and looked at the IDE primary and secondary channels and they are set to use DMA if available.

and to answer your last question the playback hiccups with or without my camera attached.

I have loaded as much as 1 hour and 45 minutes as one source into Premiere with no problems. The only issue that I have had with long source loads are that if the clip is longer than 55-60 minutes AND I try to use the flip down icon for an audio track, Premiere crashes EVERY time but NEVER for source runs under the above times. In other words, I can load long source clips with no problems for playback or cut & paste but NO rubber band adjustments even if the audio is razored (if razored I believe it is still seen as one clip). Does anybody know why this might be? I am using 5.1 RT so I don't know if this has been resolved with the latest version. I do agree with another poster. If you are cutting a project, load different clips seperately for space and performance reasons. If it's one big one and you need to dump pieces of it, you are screwed!

James,
What OS do you use?

Thanks.

I use NT 4.0

Dual 600 megahertz PIII

512 megabytes RAM

2- 146 gig - 10K RPM SCSI 68 Pin Drives - striped

Well... since those things are all ruled out the last thing I'll point
my finger to is Windows XP. When it stutters does your harddisk
makes more noise then before it stuttured? I personally had some
troubles with performance issues under XP. If possible try Windows
2000 professional... Otherwise I am out of clues!

NT 4.0 for video work? Hmmm... never knew anyone actually did
that. I assume you are using NTFS? Tried running Premiere with
only CPU enabled?

I'm happy to say I fixed the playback problem. And I am very thankful to all of you who spent time thinking this through with me. I am embarrassed to say how I fixed it, as this should have been the first thing tried.

Updating Premiere to 6.02 has solved the problem. Praise God I can finally move on.

Thanks again to those concerned!!!

Great to hear and thanks for posting the solution back!

Hello All,

Quick question for you, if I want to put a tiltle under a talking head, in Premirere 6.0, I need to export my clip to After Effects, comosite my title with the title and then bring it back, correct? Or is there a function of AP that I am missing? For you 6.5 users can you do it there or do you also have go to AE?

Thanks!
-SL

If you have the Inscriber Title Express plug-in for Premiere, it has quite a few lower third templates provided or you can use Photo Shop or any similar program to create one. www.wrigleyvideo.com/videotutorial/index.htm has a tutorial that might help with this as well as some other common editing tasks.

Hello everyone,

I've noticed that I can only communicate with my GL2 via premiere if I choose "D1/DV NTSC 720 * 480" as my project settings. I prefer frame mode on the camera and bought the camera in expectation of it capturing 30 complete frames so that I could edit individual frames without having to de-interlace.
I tried capturing with other project settings but could not get an image to come up on the computer screen during playback (and capture).

So.. My question remains: If I capture 30 discrete frames (drop-frame) with my GL2, how can I make sure that premiere isn't treating it like interlaced fields that you would normally expect with an NTSC setting?

Thnx in advance.
-Cocobutt

as long as you're using the DV codec, you'll ALWAYS get an interlaced stream. This is the ONLY option with the DV standard. If you want to capture still frames and make them into a video, import the Dv file into VirtualDub, then do a FILE/SAVE IMAGE SEQUENCE to get the cip into individual 30fps bitmap images.

Am I losing quality when I convert the 30 discrete images to DV format and interlace the frames, and would I further degrade the image if I deinterlace it by outputting an image sequence?

-Cocobutt

Any transcode into DV from some other format requires compression with the DV codec. ALL compression schemes introduce losses/artifacts, altho' some compression schemes are better than others. The Micro$oft DV codec is quite lossy, however, the Main Concept, Avid, and Vegas Video codecs are quite excellent. Regardless, the losses you incur with one or two compressions shouldn't be noticeable.

Is there any way I can get these codecs (Main Concept, Avid, and Vegas Video) without buying the program or are they strictly proprietary?

The Main Concept DV codec is a standard Video for Windows codec that can be used in almost any app, and costs a whopping $50. www.mainconcept.com

Hi,
I have a semi-urgent question. I was rendering a final project to avi in Premiere and going to burn a DVD of it. So, when I was rendering the project in Premiere it stopped rendering at 18 minutes, 53 seconds, and ten frames. The project is 23:20:15 so I don't know why it stopped. My work area bar (the little yellow one at the top of the timeline) is covering the whole project. I have enough hard drive space for the project so that's not the problem. The project is not one long clip, its a bunch of shorter clips so the problem wouldn't be the 2 gig limit on FAT HD video. So what's wrong? I am slightly pressed for time...I need this done by Saturday night (tomorrow) so your speedy response would be very greatly appriciated.

Thanks.

Without more information, this smells like the same file size limitation problem you were having before. (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5204&highlight=limit+fat)

1) Did you ever upgrade to Win 2K or XP?
2) Did you ever convert your drives over to NTFS? The procedure is fairly painless, and it doesn't require reformatting.

Robert,
Thanks for your reply. I never did convert my drives. However, it seems like this should be unaffected. I have rendered files larger then 18 minutes before, it just isn't working now. I have no idea what the problem is. I plan on converting my drives to NTFS, but I have to buy XP first, and transfer all my files, reinstall software etc. etc. I dont think this is a NTFS problem. Any other ideas?

Thanks!

P.S. I am actually leaving the house now for a shoot, but I'll be back in around 9:00 PM Pacific Time and Ill trouble shoot. Thanks for your help.

How big is your file? Did you reach a 2 gig limit?

Jeff

In this case, you reached the FOUR Gig limit. Fat32 (Win98/Me) files are limited to 4 GB which is just over 18 minutes (apparently 18:53:10).

You will need to render this file into two separate segments OR convert the drive to NTFS which defeats the 4GB limit.

"I have rendered files larger then 18 minutes before, it just isn't working now."

I suspect that the 18-minutes+ files you rendered before were (a) rendered at a lower resolution; or (b) rendered to a codec with higher compression (e.g., MPEG or DIVX). It's the file size, not the clip length, that causes the limitation.

Thats it. It must be the 4 gig limit because the file was 3.99 gigs. Thanks you guys. I guess I am going to have to work around it some how. I'll go buy myself Windows XP after Christmas. Thanks, you guys have come through for me once again!

I'm using Premiere 6.5 which has an excellent new titling system. It comes with more than 40 lower third templates, most of which are pretty cheesy, but they're good starting points and you can save your customizations. You can also insert logos and see your video behind the lower third or title as you're composing. Premiere 6.5 also does rolls and crawls painlessly, too. Bottom line, you won't ever have to go back into AfterEffects to create lower thirds.

--Mike

Yeah, Premiere has good titling tools as of 6 and 6.5. The only time you'll need to use After Effects would be for complex titles that use motion graphics etc.. But for simple, clean, professional titles, Premiere should be all you need.

The bundled Inscriber CG is a great CG as stated in earlier posts. There is a company called Digital Juice that offers some INCREDIBLE still & animated full screen and lower thirds already pre-produced ready dropping into the timeline. You can sample all of their graphics at the link below.

www.digitaljuice.com

If you convert all your partitions to NTFS (either with Win2k
professional that I would recommend or XP) your problem should
be gone!

Yeah, I plan to upgrade to WinXP after New Years when I get back home. I am on vacation in NJ right now with my new GL2. Lots of fun!

Thanks you all for your help!

I can't find this answer in any of my manuals.

I believe there's a keyboard shortcut that allows you to capture the video at the markerpoint on the timeline as a freeze frame. Does anyone know the shortcut?

Thanks

If what you want is a single frame saved as an image file, use Ctl+Shift+M

Thank you!