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Silver925 September 12th, 2002, 04:27 PM I did capture with Premiere 6.5, then I separated the clips with Scenalyzer (free old version, selected "Premiere compatible timecode" - what's this?).
Btw during capture the audio is bad, but playing is ok. Strange.
Today playback is ok, don't ask me why...
About the crashes:
I think it has to do with the audio: some clips are 32khz, other 48khz. If I set up a project with 32khz and play a 48khz clip it crashes (blue screen or freeze or reboot) and if the project is 48khz I can't use 32khz clips.
Is this possible? I think it's bad!
With Media Studio Pro and Vegas I had no such problem, but for other reasons I prefer Premiere, which is currently not usable.
I'm converting the captured files from 32khz to 48khz saving them from the timeline with 48khz set as output.
I still don't know if this will really work!
Silver925 September 12th, 2002, 07:53 PM I resampled the videos and now all are 48khz.
But going on with the experiments I found out that also Media Studio has troubles and reboots the PC.
I start wondering what's wrong with the PC.
I use a RAID for the data, freshly installed Windows XP Pro (updated online to almost everything, but not SP1). Maybe XP is not ok for video editing?
I moved the clips to a normal HD (no RAID) and it crashed anyway.
Somebody said I have to set up my AV and export disk. What does it mean?
Guest September 12th, 2002, 11:34 PM I found out that you can't use adobe photoshop filters in adobe premiere 6.5 running windows xp. I have a friend who used the diffuse glow to give his wedding video a nice effect. ANyone out there know any filters I can use in adobe premiere 6.5 for xp the same effect as the diffuse glow? Or know how to enable the filter in adobe premiere on xp platform?
Rob Lohman September 13th, 2002, 06:45 AM But why did you re-digitize it again? I'd let premiere make a final
output to AVI/DV from the edit, not re-digitizing it again.
Silver925 September 13th, 2002, 09:27 AM I solved the problem about the crashes, which affected Premiere and MSP when playing clip at higher or lower speed than normal (e.g. using the dial in the Source-Window in MSP):
I use an on-board (ASUS) audio chip from C-Media and this was the cause of all trouble. Turn the audio hardware acceleration completely off and there will be no more crashes .
Now I have a last problem: clip playback in Premiere 6.5 is not ok.
Video plays well, but audio is still bad, like when you have a bad connection with your mobile phone.
The same clips with MSP or Vegas are fine.
Any suggestions? Otherwise I will uninstall Premiere...
Steve Klusman September 13th, 2002, 02:44 PM If all things being equal (which obviously they're not right now) you prefer Premiere, I'd give their tech support a call. Adobe's support is some of the best I've seen. It really sounds like you've got some flukey problem that could be easily solved, but the solution is just not apparent right now.
I like Adobe products and prefer Premiere as well. But it's partly because my wife works for Adobe here in Seattle and I can get the software at reduced cost. If I didn't have that advantage I might look around a little more.
Silver925 September 13th, 2002, 05:21 PM I found a dreastic solution: now I don't use the on-board chip from C-Media anymore. I'm using an old Diamond Aural Vortex 8820 audio card and everything works perfectly, even with hardware acceleration.
I'm surprised that on an ASUS mainboard there is a chip that makes so much trouble! Normally they build great things, but not for A/V (and not for my TV card - this is another story).
It's not the forst time I make bad experiences with C-Media chips.
Anyway, that all for now: I can start my evaluation and try to find out which out of Premiere, Media Studio Pro and Vegas Video will be my preferred tool.
Thanks and see you at the next problem.
Silver
fargogogo September 14th, 2002, 06:47 AM I reinstalled just the Quicktime files from the Premiere CD. Then it prompted me to downloads more files and now everthing works fine; nice film effect with scratches, hairs, dust and all.
Ed Smith September 15th, 2002, 09:57 AM I used that effect on one of my productions it works really good. However to be more realistic the scratches need to be black. Still pretty good for free.
Glad everything works fine now.
All the best,
Ed Smith
Rob Lohman September 16th, 2002, 05:02 AM My suggestion would also have been to just go with another
soundcard totally. But you already went down that path. Since
audio is very important in a project as well it might be interesting
to shell out some more cash to go with a semi-pro card that
has much better signal-to-noise ratios and such.
I really never trusted onboard audio before. I can't imagine they
would give "good quality".
Glad you solved your problem(s)!
Silver925 September 16th, 2002, 04:43 PM Hi
My audio rubberbands don't work! I move the red line (rubberband) up and down, create handles etc. but the played audio is always the same.
Do I have to activate something?
Thanks
Silver
Ralph Keyser September 17th, 2002, 05:11 PM Wow, that's unusual.
Is it possible that you've got a track muted by accident somewhere? I don't remember an "ignore rubber bands" option in Premiere.
Curious :(
wiredryoko September 17th, 2002, 06:57 PM I'm trying to cross fade titles in Premiere 6.0, and don't know how to. The regular transitions (for the video) don't seem to work. Am I able to at all? Thanks!
-Ryoko
Kyle "Doc" Mitchell September 17th, 2002, 07:37 PM Hello:
Actually, video transitions will work. I use Premiere 6.0. What you have to do is, import your title with the text on it as the same resolution as the rest of your project. Then, you can use transitions like dissolve and such. Just move the titles down into the work zone, Track A and Track B and put the transition in between the overlapping parts of the two titles. If you're doing just a dissolve, you can also put on title on Track A (or B) and put the other title in the SuperImpose/Graphics track (Video Track 2) and use the rubberbands to fade the title in and out.
Hope this helps, and that I understood your question correctly.
Regards,
Kyle "Doc" Mitchell
Brad Simmons September 17th, 2002, 08:01 PM Hello, I am trying to export a one minute clip out of Adobe Premiere 6.02, which I will then compress into a quicktime file for internet viewing using Sorenson Pro 3 encoder.
Now, I have two choices when exporting out of Premiere,
1. Microsoft AVI
2. Microsoft DV AVI
When I export out a Microsoft AVI, the file size of the avi is over 4 GB!! Audio is either not present, or sounds corrupted. The clip is very jerky - the file size is WAY to big and I don't understand why? Trying to compress it further with Sorenson 3 Pro gives me further corrupted audio, horrible motion, and a huge file size.
Now, when I export it as Microsoft DV AVI, the exporting is much better. It yeilds me a 200 mb file, which would seem easy to work with. However, when I try to import the DV AVI file into Sorenson, I get an error message saying "The file could not be opened...Sorenson could not find the proper decompressor".
This is driving me nuts! I was always able to compress these clips using Sorenson until I installed my DV Storm. I am using the most updated version of the storm.
What am I doing wrong here?
What is the basic difference between exporting a microsoft avi vs. exporting a microsoft dv avi? How should I export the video out of Premiere to get the most uncompressed video I can?
Thanks for any help.
Zac Stein September 17th, 2002, 09:07 PM heya all,
Are there any plugins out there, that choreograph complicated split screens, adjusting the ratio of the footage as well and composing the clips in a 2.35:1 aspect as well, as the rest of the movie is in 2.35:1.
I have around 10 clips, i want to do a montage of, with each of them cycling around, with one always being prominent in the center whilist the other repeat themselves smaller around the sides in different ratios and repeating.
Similar to the big lebowski trailer that was around a couple years ago.
If anyone can help, this process would be easier than manually doing it.
kermie
wiredryoko September 17th, 2002, 09:15 PM Thank you! This was exactly what I needed!
Brad Simmons September 18th, 2002, 02:09 AM Click on window, then click on Audio Mixer.
Do you have automation read and write selected?
Rob Lohman September 18th, 2002, 05:18 AM There are a couple of things going (wrong)(on) here. First of all
Microsoft decided to support DV only as a Directshow codec, not
(old) Video for Windows. Guess what your encoder is using.
You guessed it correctly: VfW. There are a couple of solutions
to your problem.
1. export to UNCOMPRESSED Microsoft AVI
2. Install a VfW DV codec (like mainconcept's one)
3. use another encoder (you can encode QuickTime directly
from within Premiere, don't know if you can select Sorenson
as the codec then though)
4. the last option which is the cheapest is to use frameserving
from premiere. Use Premiere Video Server plugin from
http://www.videotools.net/uk/download.php
for that (you might also need a little tool from the same page
called Link2, download that to be sure). What is does is
create a very small (couple of bytes) output file. With any
luck your encoder can open that file (might need to save it is
a .AVI) and what it does is *directly* get the needed video
and audio frames from PREMIERE without you having to save
it on your harddisk or RE-ENCODE it!!! If this works it is the
best way. It can be a bit of a fiddle to get it to work though
and it isn't point-n-click. You need to do some work for that.
If you cannot get that last thing to work I might be able to write
an exact guide for you (and other people). I need to get a copy
of that product or a demo/trial/shareware version of it so that
I can test it myself.
The reason why you are probably having such a bad file when
you are saving it under Microsoft AVI is because you are either
using the wrong frame rate or using bad codecs. When selecting
Microsoft AVI you STILL need to select a CODEC (AVI is only a
wrapper). By default it picks one with horrible quality. I would
suggest uncompressed (if you can fit that into a 4 GB file).
Good luck.
Rob Lohman September 18th, 2002, 05:28 AM If you cannot find anything (I don't know of any personally), it
is probably easier to do in AE because you can do all sort of
motion paths and other arithemetics in there...
david_negrin September 18th, 2002, 09:45 AM Hi all, I'm using premiere 6.0 and it doesn't give me a Canon XL1-S from the list so I'm forced to use generic / generic -- what's the deal?
--David
<<<-- Originally posted by Parkingtigers : Ok, so it seems that I *am* an idiot.
After spending hours checking every possible setting to make sure that it was right for capturing, I could not get it to work. My friend comes round and fixes it in 2 minutes.
Guess what? I hadn't selected my camera from the list, and was trying to capture using the generic camera setting. It was a case of not seeing the wood for the trees.
Still, it's one problem solved, although it hasn't solved my inability to export my timeline back to tape. I'll spend some more time with that before I come back here and ask more stupid questions.
Thanks for your time rob, and sorry for wasting it.
Adrian -->>>
Silver925 September 18th, 2002, 09:54 AM No. No "glasses" or "pens" are selected, only "automation off" for all channels
Silver925 September 18th, 2002, 09:57 AM Strange: now that I closed the mixer (after opening it to see the settings) the rubberbands are active.
david_negrin September 18th, 2002, 10:07 AM Hello, here's what I've got:
Canon Xl1S (NTSC)
Dual Athlon MP2100 Box
Windows XP
El Cheapo Firewire card
Sony Flat-Screen
I have been able to capture video from my XL1-S, but I'm getting different resolutions and hence different amounts of fuzziness. I've tried a couple different combinations of Project Settings but still I don't feel I'm getting the purest DV quality. Before I ask for any suggestions let me ask:
1) Does the firewire card I'm using matter? I've been using DV Playback editing mode and DV/IEEE 1394 Capture Mode and then Microsoft DV NTSC compression (also I'm not sure whether to set pixel aspect ratio to 1.0 or .9)
2) How can I tell I've got best quality? Does looking at my flat screen show what I'd see on a DVD player? My intentions are to edit a short film and burn it to DVD eventually so I want as high quality as possible.
3) What resolution should I be looking for? 720 x 480 is what the project settings say, but that's not 4:3 -- and I thought XL1-S shot 4:3, but then I read Full DV Resolution is 720 x 576 -- I'm loosing it here.
I have been looking around for a Premiere XL1-S Project Settings FAQ but haven't seen anything. Thanks for any help you can offer.
--David Negrin
Rob Lohman September 18th, 2002, 11:17 AM I selected a Canon XL1... the S wasn't on my list. The other
one was though.
Rob Lohman September 18th, 2002, 11:20 AM What matters is the following:
1. preset you are using (make sure you select a DV preset
and the correct one: PAL/NTSC/WIDESCREEN/32/48)
2. make sure you have selected a Canon XL1 as the camera
connected. This makes sure communication is optimal
3. output to a good format
This way you should be able to get perfect quality. Premiere
preview resizes the image so quality is wrong there. I usually
output and then view it to see how it looks (make sure windows
mediaplayer is playing the file at full resolution (100%) instead
of the DEFAULT (50%)
david_negrin September 18th, 2002, 11:37 AM I just patched to Premiere 6.02 (from 6.0) and I now have under Canon : XL1-S A, XL1-S J
Does anyone know which is the correct Device Control Selection?
(I can only hit play then record to capture, I can't use the time coded settings -- is there a difference between Drop Frame and Non-Drop Frame Time Code?)
--David
david_negrin September 18th, 2002, 12:18 PM AHA! So the Premiere preview window (which I've been placing all my faith in) is the reason for my blurriness. Upon your advice I outputted back to tape and watched the same video clip I captured after the raw recorded version of itself and the quality wasn't noticeably differrent -- which means I'm capturing at best quality.
How are you supposed to edit in Premiere then?
So then, is it true to say that DV (NTSC) records at 720 x 480 with .9 Pixel Aspect ratio and fits on a Television (640 x 480) with only the normal cutoff that television's safe zone applies? It's not truly 4:3?
Side question?: Is the "Microsoft DV" codec a high quality compressor? Is "DV Playback" a useful edit mode?
Brad Simmons September 18th, 2002, 12:59 PM thanks a lot for the help. That does clear some things up. I have some other questions that I need to ask you but I can't right now so I will post back tonight.
thanks again.
Rob Lohman September 19th, 2002, 04:22 AM Pick any of those. -A should be PAL model, otherone NTSC.
I also capture through play and then hitting record. If you are
in NTSC country you should select Drop Frame timecode.
Rob Lohman September 19th, 2002, 04:31 AM 1. yes, it is the window of premiere
2. for edit you do not need high quality. You just need to be
able to see it so that you can edit. You can also get a
fullscreen preview. Just resize the window and watch the
size that Premiere is displaying in the upper left cornern. It will
"stick" a bit at your full resolution. You have full resolution but
no garantuees as to whether your getting full quality as well
(premiere might cut some corners here to get you your picture
as fast as possible)
3. DV NTSC records at 720x480 indeed.
4. Your TV is 720x480 too. It just has a safe margin. Which you
do not need to concern yourself with unless you do CGI or
titling (and a good titler should do TV safe anyway). If you want
to see TV and title safe markers hit the arrow in the right upper
corner of the window and select Safe Margins for xxxxx side
(xxxxxx depends on which monitors your seeing). You can set
there margins if you right click on the window outside the actual
video source and selecting Monitor Window Options
5. Microsoft DV codec is known to be not very good. The newer
your Windows (ie Windows 2000, XP) the better the codec is
though
6. What do you mean when you say "DV Playback" in edit mode?
If you mean that you have hooked up your camera and that
you can see what your editing I have to say no. This slows my
system down way way too much (under premiere 6.02). I have
to give this a go again under 6.5 to see if they improved the
situation. If not I'd suggest you go with a real DV board to
get proper output whilst editing
I hope this answers your questions.
Rob Lohman September 19th, 2002, 04:35 AM I'm going to be out of town from friday afternoon till monday
morning... depending on my internet connection and when you
post it might take a couple of days to answer you. But rest
assured, your answer will be coming. Glad this already cleared
some things up.
Ross Milligan September 19th, 2002, 04:38 AM I am using Premiere V6 and the 'Project' frame has a 'comments' section beside each clip in the project. How do you get a comment in there as it would help identify the clip content more.
I have typed into the 'comments' section in the 'movie capture- logging' frame and also the 'file name' frame after capturing a clip but although the named clip appears in the 'project' frame the comment section stays empty.
It must be something fairly obvious but I am missing it - help!
Ross
Kyle "Doc" Mitchell September 19th, 2002, 07:06 AM Hello Ross:
Hmmmm. On Premiere 6.0, I have a "Notes" section beside each file in the Projects window. That works just fine.
I know what you're talking about with the Comments section of the "Logging window" under "movie capture," but I don't use it. The logging window has a wonderful Log In/Out feature, but I don't do it. Maybe this effects whether you're comments work.
Perhaps, just using the "Notes" section will help you out more after you capture. Of course, this might slow down you're capturing process as you would need to type Notes and move the "Movie Capture" window!
Regards,
Kyle "Doc" Mitchell
david_negrin September 19th, 2002, 09:20 AM Does Premiere 6.5 also have this blurry preview window problem?
What codec do *you* use? And more to the point, how do you obtain other codecs?
One of my Edit Modes is called "DV Playback" (right next to QT and Video For Windows) - is that possibly the mode that my firewire card provides? If I got a 'real' DV board, would this give me another Edit Mode (would it give me another codec?) -- what card would you suggest in the Non-Realtime market?
I really appreciate your time and patience. I'm light years ahead of where I was before I found the community. Thank you.
-- David
<<<-- Originally posted by Rob Lohman :
1. yes, it is the window of premiere
5. Microsoft DV codec is known to be not very good. The newer
your Windows (ie Windows 2000, XP) the better the codec is
though
6. What do you mean when you say "DV Playback" in edit mode?
If you mean that you have hooked up your camera and that
you can see what your editing I have to say no. This slows my
system down way way too much (under premiere 6.02). I have
to give this a go again under 6.5 to see if they improved the
situation. If not I'd suggest you go with a real DV board to
get proper output whilst editing
I hope this answers your questions. -->>>
Ross Milligan September 20th, 2002, 01:54 AM I suppose so....... I just thought if they give you the ability to enter comments at the time of capture there would be a way of getting them back at a later stage. Ah well such is life!
Thanks
Ross
Rob Lohman September 20th, 2002, 06:31 AM I suppose premiere 6.5 has that too. But why is it that important
to you? I personally could not care less. I want it to be fast. I'm
not doing quality assumptions in Premiere or Color Correction.
If you truly want good picture and color (and this is the only way)
get a DV board that has analog out and connect it to a broadcast
monitor that is setup properly. You cannot judge quality on your
PC anyways (more or less).
I don't know if I have that option you are mentioning. I'd have
to check and currently I don't have much time because I need
to catch the boat. I can look for you after the weekend if you
want. But I think it is a option for your board indeed.
I just use Microsoft Codec at the moment. But I have also
played with the Mainconcept codec. Most boards tend to supply
their own codec. If you give me the brand and model of your
card we can take look if it has its own.
Ildefonso September 24th, 2002, 06:07 AM Hi, I've a problem editing my films in Premiere. I don't know how to make a fade from a black picture to my film. I tried with transparency clip. I can mix the image with the film but I don't know how to make to say that at the beginning the image must be opaque and after some seconds completly transparenty with a fade between the to states. Can someone help me?
I thank you very much, Dave
Robert Knecht Schmidt September 24th, 2002, 06:22 AM It seems what you're really looking for is just a plain old dissolve transistion, from a color clip to your footage file.
Bradley Miller September 24th, 2002, 06:02 PM Can someone please tell me what I need to do so that Premiere will capture more than 9:30 of video at a time? I've been fighting this off an on for some time now and have never found the solution.
Thanks.
wiredryoko September 24th, 2002, 07:10 PM Hey..I'm making a lil movie with my friends. Sort of a "testing the waters" project with the XL1s. Anyhoo...I need to know how to do a few things to the video.
1. Make video roll (as if a television was malfunctioning).
2. In some old films, there's a little squiggly line that keeps going back and forth on the side of the video, how do I make this?
3. Also, in some old films, there's that black and white countdown screen (that wipes like a clock), with beeps as each number changes "4..3...2...1..."
I'm not even sure if I can do these things in Premiere. I think there might even be the "countdown" thing under quicktime transitions, but I am unable to use them because I do not have a current version of quicktime installed (and to get a new one, you have to download it directly from the internet, and can't save and transfer the setup file. The other computer, the one that I edit on, is not hooked up to the internet). I have After Effects, but am unfamiliar with it. If these things are possible in that program, please post tutorials! Thank you!
-Ryoko
Ted Jan September 24th, 2002, 10:20 PM I'm assuming you mean 9 minutes of video? You need to switch over to either Windows 2000 or Windows XP where you can use the NTFS file system instead of FAT32/FAT16. NTFS doesn't have any file size restrictions when it comes to video.
Robert Knecht Schmidt September 24th, 2002, 10:39 PM 1) Video Roll: this is the most complicated of your requests. There are several ways I can think of doing it. You can try feeding your footage through an analog television monitor with a malfunctioned or controllable vertical blanking, and then point your camera at the TV to capture the effect. Less primitive is to accomplish the effect in After Effects. If you're unfamiliar with After Effects, this will take a bit of time to learn, as it's not as straightforward as other software packages. I don't think you'll be able to do it with Premiere's motion function, but I could be wrong. I can't post entire tutorials on After Effects here, but there are many good ones on the internet, and the textbook Creating Motion Graphics with After Effects provides thorough coverage.
2) What you're looking for here is an "Old Movie" filter effect, which is implemented in many popular software packages to varying degrees of authenticity and controllability. The Canopus DVStorm editing card has a pretty cheesy old movie filter (it simulates hairs with piecewise linear vector curves!); you can also find such filters for After Effects and Sonic Foundry's Vegas Video 3.
3) The countdown leader is a fun piece of stock footage that you will be able to find in any collection of film snippets. If you can't find some already built, get some old 8 mm films from a film school friend and use his/her 8 mm projector to project the countdown leader on a white wall in a dark room--then record the reflection using your video camera.
James Emory September 24th, 2002, 11:22 PM Ok. You can definitely do the vertical roll and the universal countdown with Premiere.
For the roll, right click on your clip, then click on filters, then find the shear filter and adjust the direction and rate to achieve the roll that you want.
For the countdown, click on Project, then create, then Universal Counting leader, you can adjust the settings in here as well.
Ildefonso September 25th, 2002, 12:16 AM Tnx Robert, I found the dissolve transition and now i can manage fading. It was a very helpful hint, Thank you a lot
Dave
Bradley Miller September 25th, 2002, 01:10 AM I am on Windows 2000 and I have tried this with FAT32 and NTFS formatted drives. This is something else stopping the recording.
BTW, I have a Canopus Raptor card and use an ADVC-100 box to capture video. I normally use Raptor RT video for capturing instead of Premiere for it's convenience.
Any ideas?
Edward Troxel September 25th, 2002, 12:00 PM FAT32 has a 4GB limit which is about 18 minutes. 9 minutes is about 2GB which is the typical limit of many older programs. Look in the configuration of the capture program and see if there are any preferences specifying the maximum file length, the type of file (AVI Type 2 using OpenDML will go longer lengths on an NTFS drive), the format of the destination drive...
I would suspect the Rapter RT software (never used it so have no advice as to where to find any settings)
Bradley Miller September 25th, 2002, 01:05 PM I can't find anything regarding this on the Raptor RT program. Does anyone else on this forum use this program for capture?
goldenfleece September 26th, 2002, 10:38 AM Which version/build of Premiere are you refering to? I cant find any of those options in mine, which is version 6.0. Right clicking on the clip does not bring up a FILTER item for example. However I am a bit new to PREMIERE and maybe am doing this a bit wrong. I opened an MPG clip and simply right clicked it....
James Emory September 26th, 2002, 11:14 AM I am using Premiere 5.1c RT. The clip should be in the timeline when you right click on it.
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