Premiere lets you trim away all the video you didn't use, leaving just the source clips you need.

Project>Utilities>Project Trimmer

Then maybe you can save the whole project to just a few DVDs?

Good luck.

Are you capturing using square pixels instead of rectangular? That can throw your aspect ratio off slightly.

Windows 2000 / Premiere 6 / 1.6Ghz processor with 2 gigs DDR ram

Once I have an edit finished I export it to a Microsoft DV AVI, at which point I can do whatever I need. However some times exporting can take VERY long, or go at almost playback speed. Also, some times the monitor shows the actual point during the exporting, other times it stays on the first frame. Can anyone explain what I am doing differently?

Example: 4 minute finished edit takes 5 mintues to export and shows the current frame on the monitor. 8 minute finished edit takes 45 minutes to export and the monitor stays on the first frame.

Hello:

Brad, do you notice this happening if you render the edit first, then export? Or are you just exporting the work area? This will make a little difference. Also, what is the content of what you're exporting? That can make a difference: long transitions take longer, long still-frame shots take some time (depending on resolution).

2 gigs DDR ram? Wow. I'm jealous!!

Regards,

Kyle "Doc" Mitchell

Well... I got 1 gig :) ... but back to the question. Do you by
any chance perhaps have your DV camera or any other DV
device attached to your computer and powered on? It might
be that it is also exporting over your firewire channel to your
camera (whilst it is *not* recording)... this can take massive
amounts of time.

Are you using any transitions, effects etc.?

It might also just be a badly fragmented harddrive. Defragment
often.

Hmmmm, let's see...

Doconomus, if I am just cutting edits together without any kind of effects, should I still pre-render the work area?

Rob, I do not have a DV camera or deck. I am waiting to check out the new Panasonic 24P camera before I purchase anything. Only 2 months to go! :) I have a very recent fresh install of Win2K and the drives have been defragmented every 2-4 weeks as routine.

Using the two specific examples listed in my first post, the 4 minute finished edit has TONS of video and audio effects and crossfades, but renders very quickly. The 8 minute edit was only a couple of direct cuts and no audio work.

I think it has to do with preview files then. Perhaps you have
previewd a lot of stuff in that other file and Premiere uses those
files for the output as well?

Hello Brad:

Another thought. Make sure that your "Work Area" (the yellow bar on top of the timeline window) ONLY covers the area you want to export. If you have that yellow bar over areas that don't have any video - just blank space - it takes forever to export. This might just be a slip-up on your 8 minute video.

Previewing the work (pre-rendering) I believe is good for, well, preveiwing transitions. Also, its good to do this when you know for certain that you're not going to edit a certain area again. If you render, lets say, the first 4 minutes, then, finish editing the last four minutes, you could pre-render. However, I've always found that just exporting the work all together is usually faster. In fact, I sometimes just export the "Work Area" as my method of previewing. So, all in all, I don't really pre-render anything. I'm not sure if this is a good method, but its what I don't do, and it works.

Regards,

Kyle "Doc" Mitchell

Can anyone tell me how to impart slow motion to a clip in Premiere 6.0? I've tried clip>advanced options>interpret footage, and adjusted the frame rate, but although the clip gets stretched out in the timeline, all the action remains at full speed in the beginning of the stretched clip and the rest is black!

Thanks for any insight into this.

Steve Siegel
Miami, FL
OPORORNIS@YAHOO.COM

Right click clip select velocity. Negative values reverses the clip.

Thanks, it works fine. Don't know how i could have missed that one!

Newbie question - Why does the subject appear wider than normal when viewing the clip on the PC?
The clip was shot in Frame mode, auto.
Viewed in NTSC 33 format.
Please help.

Hello:

What is NTSC 33 format? Without knowing what that is, the only thing I can think of is that you shot in 4:3 frame mode and you are exporting the clip as 16:9. Won't that stretch out your subject?

Regards,

Kyle "Doc" Mitchell

Or that you shot in 16:9 but imported the project as 4:3.....

Or you could mean that you can see more in the capturewindow than outputing to your TV.

Reason being that the frame size on a TV is much smaller than that of full DV quality resolution.

All the best,

Ed Smith

Thanks

I'm using a standard (generic) 1394 Card, using the latest Microsoft DV codec in Premiere 6 on the "DV Playback" setting, and I'm getting what sounds to be bad compression artifacting in my audio.

The settings are the DV 4800khz, 16bit stereo setting, standard 720x480. Playback from my 1394 card to a Panasonic AG DV1000 Mini-DV Deck works great except for the audio. Playback from the 1394 card to my Canon XL1-S yeilds the same results.

I have the identical setup in two other editing systems...they all produce the same artifacting audio.

When I choose a setting for non-DV NTSC or other non-DV Video For Windows options, the audio is perfect. Any ideas?

I think it is either Premiere's processing of DV, or Microsoft's DV codec....thanks for your input! - Justin

p.s. I have tried Premiere 6.0, 6.1 and 6.2 Beta

Found the answer...kicking myself for how obvious. The sound files I was using were 44.1 Khz 16 bit (standard CD quality). My project file was 48khz...the compression sound was the poor sampling that Premiere was applying to bring the CD quality to Dat quality. ^_^ A quick resample in SoundForge brought the music to 48khz and everything was smooth from there on.
Thanks for your help! - Justin

Anyone have any input on the changes made? I am sure with this crowd someone has already been testing it.

Best,
Big James

A friend of mine was testing it and I spent a few minutes looking at it. The interface looks exactly the same. The realtime preview seems to be one of the initial settings that you choose when setting up your project. The Mpeg2 Encoder uses Main Concept's codec and comes with tons of different presets for DVD, SVCD, and VCD.

It has both CBR and VBR, but the documentation doesn't say anything about how many passes the VBR does and I didn't have a chance to test it out.

The realtime preview worked pretty well. But then I didn't anything other than 3 AVI clips with a simple cross dissolve and a additive dissolve.

I found deep on their page that they will support Windows XP, but the hardware supported page doesn't seem to be updated from version 6.0

Any idea if they are going to support the XL1s or the GL2?

Best,
Big James

sorry...don't have any idea...the documentation was still 6.0 only the mpeg encoder had current documentation.

I found out a friend of mine who is mainly a Apple guy has been beta testing Adobe 6.5. He was explaining that some of the features are not fully implemented that I should wait until the products full release before making any decisions.

Just wanted to point that out just incase some of you get your hands on a beta.

Best,
Big James

Hi there.

So my XL1-s finally arrived, I took some test shots and tried to capture it with premiere 6.0

The normal mode was picked up and saved normally. All fine and groovy, but when I tried to capture the footage that was filmed in frame mode (the main reason I bought the camera) I started having problems. In the preview window, it shows the footage start, and the frame capture begins. It reaches a limit of 48 frames captured and then the picture freezes while the sound continues. Playback of these clips looks more like 2 frames have been captured than 48.

I'm sure there is a really obvious solution to this, but as an absolute newcomer to this I can't see what it might be.

Your help would be greatly apprechiated.

For the record I'm running:

Pal XL1-s.
Windows XP.
P4 1.7mhz.
512 meg ram.
80 gig hard drive.
Premiere 6.0
Cheap and cheerful firewire card.

All of this was fine for capturing normal mode, it's the frame mode that just won't work.

Adrian

Edited to add:

After reading about half the posts on here, I think that the fact that I changed the audio settings too may have affected it. The normal footage was in 12 bit, and captured fine, and the frame mode was 16 bit audio. Thing is, I'm trying to capture from the start of the frame section, so you'd think it wouldn't matter.

Frustrating.

I have a Canon XLS-1 camera.

Which editing program is better between these two:

--Adobe Premiere 6.5
OR
-- Pinnacle Pro-ONE


I would appreciate to know the pros and cons of each one and which one would be the overall best choice.

Some of my questions are : Can you turn your footage into black and white, need to know if either one has the option of scrolling titles for credits at the end of a movie, can either one give your footage slow-motion effect, etc.

Thank you all for your time.

If i'm correct the Pro One hardware comes bundled w/Premiere.

I should have it shortly and am going to take a look at it.

I have the following:

PAL XL1-S
Windows 2000 Professional SP3
P3 900 MHz
256 mb ram
Premiere 6.0

Capture works fine with both frame mode and
interlaced. What preset are you choosing when
Premiere starts?

I've been using DV pal, standard, 48 khz. I also tried some custom variations too, but still it only wants interlaced footage.

Adrian

Yes, the Pinnacle Pro-ONE system includes Premiere 6.0. (I'm not sure if Pinnacle plans to offer Version 6.5 with the Pro-ONE anytime soon.)

Premiere and the Pro-ONE can definitely do all the things you mentioned. It's a great combination of hardware and software for the money. I've been using it for about six months.

The best advice I can give you, if you have not yet purchased it: Make sure that you start with a computer system which is specifically supported by the Pro-ONE. It is very sensitive to compatibility issues. I ended up building a system from scratch, literally around the Pro-ONE board, and it works like a dream. But you will go through hell if you try to install it on an incompatible or untested system. Take it from me. ;-)

Thanks alot for your advice Buck. I really appreciate it.

I saw these were the system requirements:

Minimum System Requirements
• Pentium III 700MHz or equivalent processor
• 256MB RAM
• DirectX 6.0 (or higher) compatible graphics and sound boards
• Windows 98 SE / Millennium, 2000 Pro, XP
• CD ROM Drive (for software installation)
• CD-R, CD-RW, DVD-R or DVD-RW drive (for Pinnacle Impression DVD SE)


My computer seems to have all these requirements.
Do you think it would be ok to have Pinnacle Pro-One on it?

Thanks again

I have a feeling that XP might be doing this. Not sure why and
if that is true though. Just a hunch. The weird thing is that
interlaced and progressive (frame mode) DV streams are almost
exactly the same. Ofcourse the visual information differs some,
and there is a flag in the stream indicating which one it is. But
other than that they are the same. So it is very weird that
Premiere likes one form over the other. Which camera are you
using?

I suggest looking at the following:

1. firewire cable
2. try windows 2000 instead of XP if possible
3. try another firewire card if possible

how long do you have the XP installation? Are you doing a lot
of different things with it?

Defragged your harddrives?

The Pro One is a fantastic tool, it will enable you to do all the effects you mentioned and more. If it is not supplied with P6.5 then you should be offered an upgrade, probably at a small cost (somewhere I would belive at about $124+).

If your system meets the minium spec then it would work OK. Although the more RAM you have the better it would perform, and run it on Windows 2000, or XP (professional), rather than windows 98se. Make sure you also have a decent video card to handle the processing.

Hope this helps,

Ed Smith

Todd,

When you read the brochure for the Pro-ONE, it is easy to believe that any computer which meets the stated system requirements will work. That's exactly what I did -- I had an HP Pavillion with a Pentium 4, 512 MB of RAM, a great video card, etc. etc. It exceeded the requirements by a comfortable margin, and it even had Pinnacle's Studio DV software pre-loaded on it. I figured it would work just fine. However...

...As I mentioned, the Pro-ONE is finicky about which motherboard and processor you have, what video card you have, and so on.

My computer turned out to be completely incompatible with it. I found this out after over a month of frustrating nights spent installing, uninstalling and reinstalling the Pro-ONE board and its software, studying troubleshooting documents, re-assigning IRQs, and even reinstalling Windows a few times. Not to mention about six calls and five e-mails to Pinnacle's customer support folks. They were great, but in the end, they told me that I'd confirmed their suspicions that HP Pavillion computers are not compatible with the Pro-ONE.

I ended up building a dedicated NLE system from scratch, and the Pro-ONE now works flawlessly. It's a great product.

So, the lesson for you is: I HIGHLY recommend you spend an evening studying the following documents before you buy a Pro-ONE:

===================================
http://www.pinnaclesys.com/SupportFiles/Workstation_and_Pro-ONE.pdf

http://www.pinnaclesys.com/SupportFiles/Pro-ONE_Motherboards.pdf
===================================

Also, read the applicable installation/configuration guides at:

http://www.pinnaclesys.com/support/display.asp?ProductID=431&SubDocTypesID=74

These will get you started toward figuring out if your system truly is compatible. If it is, go for it. And let us know how you like it.

By the way, in case you're interested in building a system, my computer details are:

ASUS P4TE motherboard
Pentium 4, 2.2 GHz
512 MB Rambus (for now...)
40GB HD 7200 RPM (system)
60GB HD 7200 RPM (video)
GeForce4 Ti 4200 video
Windows 2000 Professional
CD-RW
Generic 3.5 floppy
Generic modem

... and that's it. It's intentionally stripped down and optimized for video. No fancy stuff, but it works like a dream.

Best of luck.

Ok, so it seems that I *am* an idiot.

After spending hours checking every possible setting to make sure that it was right for capturing, I could not get it to work. My friend comes round and fixes it in 2 minutes.

Guess what? I hadn't selected my camera from the list, and was trying to capture using the generic camera setting. It was a case of not seeing the wood for the trees.

Still, it's one problem solved, although it hasn't solved my inability to export my timeline back to tape. I'll spend some more time with that before I come back here and ask more stupid questions.

Thanks for your time rob, and sorry for wasting it.

Adrian

i have the same system as skyward except the dv500 card. it works great!
i built the system myself too. it was a nightmare for many weeks tryimg to get everything working right.
if i had to do it again would i?
yes, because i like a computer challenge, and mucking around with stuff,,,hehe :)

so whats my point?

well, if you know your way around a computer REALLY well,
give it a go and build your own nle system, if not or if you don't have time or don't want to spend the time,buy a turnkey system.

No problem! We all learn this way. Thanks for sharing this info
with us. I didn't know that this could be a problem (although I
have mine set to the "Correct" camera)

I really appreciate all the great advice you guys have given me.
Thanks to Buck and Ed especially.

You have helped me beyond belief.

Thanks again guys

Todd,

You might consider having a look at the Matrox RTX or the Canopus DV Storm.

From users responses that I've read, it would appear to me that both are better choices than the Pro-One.

Also, I recommend you to check out the online support forums for the various manufacturers and ask any questions you might have.

George

Thanks for the thankyou Todd.

As mentioned do your research wisely and before you decide to go a head, check, check again!!!

As mentioned by George it might be worth investigating the Matrox or Canopus products, since they are also bundled with premiere too. Which ever one you decide I'm sure it will be capable to do everything that you need it to do.

I use Pinnacle DV500+ on a PIII 550 MHz processor with 384MB of RAM on Windows XP Pro, and it works like a dream.

I have used Pinnacle pro one on a friends machine, and although to begin with it would not work properly, once he bought a new video card it worked fine, and was capable of far more things than my DV500+.

I have also used Matrox RT2500 (the one below RTX) and again it works great with Premiere.

Check out all your options before you buy.

Hope this helps,

Ed Smith

I've just posted my hands on review of the Pro-One RTDV on our website. I've also got my RTX.100 review up as well.

http://www.videoguys.com/dtvhome.html

Gary
Videoguys.com

Okay, call me a loser, then help me answer my problem.

Got my Canon XL1-S, got the host, got the firewire, connected, got Premiere...how do I import and get my video on Premiere?

Thanks

Nick

Nick... Fire up Premiere, select one of the DV profiles that are
presented to you (PAL/NTSC normal/widescreen 32/48 khz).

Then go to the file menu, select Capture and then Movie Capture.
Now you get a new window with a set of controls that allow you
to control your camera.... Simply hit play and when you get to the
right point hit the record button. When done hit ESC(ape) and
Premiere will ask you where to write the file. After this is done
your file is automatically added to the project.

Okay, Premiere has been working fine for me, still learning though. Anyway...I just came home to use it, I open it, I chose my format, and nothing. The bar on the bottom is open, but nothing comes up. Weird huh? Any suggestions on why this might be and how I can fix it? I'd hate to reinstall it, but maybe someone has experianced this before.


Thanks

Nick

"Quicktime effects" is included in my effects list, but when I first tried to apply it to a clip, a quicktime box opened to say more effects files needed to be downloaded. I click "okay", and it downloaded, but a box opened saying the files were 'corrupted'.

Now when I try to apply "quicktime effects", nothing is there. It doesn't prompt me that more files are needed because it thinks the corrupt file is okay (?)

I searched in the premiere folder, but couldn't find the corrupt file.

Any suggestions short of reinstalling Premiere? :0

I'm evaluating Premiere 6.5 (R198 in the about box) and Media Studio Pro 6.5.
I have 2 serious problems with Premiere:

1) clip playback in the Clip Window and in the Monitor Window is useless: it just "jumps" instead of showing a smooth video. MSP works well.

2) In the Project Window I import the clips I created with Scenalyzer (freeware) after capturing the whole DV tape. If I tra to play some clips in the small player in the upper left corner of the Project Window I just get a blue screen! With other clips no problem.

If it stays like that I must use MSP...

Thanks
Silver

My PC: P4 2.2 MHz, HD Raid 120GB approx, 512 MB Ram, Asus Geforce 3, Asus Mainboard etc.

I just put the Master rough cut, into my XL1-S. Now, I want to watch it back on Premiere, but the sound and picture is jumpy. Why and how can I fix this?
Is it because it was digitized on the editing bay? Can something be done?

Thanks

Nick

If you haven't tried this already, try capturing a clip in Premiere 6.5 and see how playback works then.

What did you do? Because I'm not exactly following you. I'm
thinking you did this:

1. Digitize all of your footage
2. Edited it
3. Wrote it back out to tape as a movie
4. Digitized that again and watched it?

Am I correct here or not?

We edited it, and put a master on a DV.