Hey Guy, or anyone else who can answer this dumb-ass question.

OK so is there a difference between HDSDI and 3GSDI? The most recent Marshall model and the one on the DV Creators site is this one V-LCD70P-3GSDI.

Is this the HDSDI model or is there a specific HDSDI model apart from this.

my apologies in advance if this is the dumbest ass question ever!

Not a dumb question at all as this emerging technology is moving so fast it amazes me. The 3G is compatible with all popular flavors of Hdsdi including 10 bit 4:2:2 1080p-60, 1080p-59.94 and 1080p-50 over a single cable - not dual link. See Serial digital interface - Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_Digital_Interface)

Also, here is the link to the manual:
http://lcdracks.com/monitors/pdf_pages/instruction_sheets/V-LCD70-3GSDI_Instr2009-0605.pdf

And a little Quote from the manual

"Emulation of SMPTE-C/EBU color space allows the V-LCD70P-3GSDI to replace any broadcast CRT monitor. Presets
include D55, D65 and D93. Bias and Gain adjustment for each color enables precise color matching and white
balance"

Thanks Guy for the speedy reply, very helpful info.

Will definitely be looking at this monitor as my next purchase.

BTW Vimeo has done something horrible to the audio of the Calibrating Clip! Might require a re upload :(

Thanks again Guy, keep shooting!

Thanks Guy for the speedy reply, very helpful info.

Will definitely be looking at this monitor as my next purchase.

BTW Vimeo has done something horrible to the audio of the Calibrating Clip! Might require a re upload :(

Thanks again Guy, keep shooting!

Cool. I tested the Calibrating a Broadcast Monitor + New Pro Features on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/3723108) on a few computers and it sounded fine. It must be a codec issue. Maybe upgrade to the latest version of Flash? Anyone else having the same problem? That must be what Mike Horton was talking about in the comments field of the Vimeo video...geez and I thought he was talkin' smack about my dry VO read!
You can also watch here YouTube - Calibrating a Professional HD monitor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6O7U6H0H38)

Guy,

Do you know if any of the new 7" Marshalls can be scaled to include the menu information from the Red One HD-SDI or HDMI feeds? If they could, it would open up a new market for them.

Hey Guy.

Upgraded to flash player 10 but still weird audio with the clip. Here's what it sounds like.

Guy,

Do you know if any of the new 7" Marshalls can be scaled to include the menu information from the Red One HD-SDI or HDMI feeds? If they could, it would open up a new market for them.

Hi Scott, is the menu information being placed in the overscan area?.....still saving up for my RED :) In the Video Configuration menu of the monitor there is an option for "Full Screen, 16:9 and 4:3). You can also turn Markers on to show 95% safe, 93%,90,88,85 and 80. In that excess area you can make it Black or have it show Full Screen.
There is also a Underscan option, however it defaults to "Disabled" with an HD source.

@Adrian, thanks for the audio clip. I'll have to re-encode and upload the clip. That's the cool thing over YouTube, Vimeo lets you replace the vid.

Have taken delivery of the 3G/SDI model of these monitors, great build, pretty good looking image from the video out option, but for the life of me can't get the SDI input to work?!

Am using with an EX3 and have been through the monitor menu at least 50 times trying different combinations but still can't get the monitor to read the SDI signal, in fact I just keep getting the same "No Signal" message.

Anyone have any ideas??

Have taken delivery of the 3G/SDI model of these monitors, great build, pretty good looking image from the video out option, but for the life of me can't get the SDI input to work?!

Am using with an EX3 and have been through the monitor menu at least 50 times trying different combinations but still can't get the monitor to read the SDI signal, in fact I just keep getting the same "No Signal" message.

Anyone have any ideas??

It's most likely an option in the Camera menu to output SDI. It's been awhile since I used an EX3, but on our rigs we were running Component and HDSDI out at the same time. It's one of the few cameras that allow that. A lot of them you have to choose one or the other, so both your Outs on the camera should be live at all times. Do you have any other HDSDI devices that you can test with? Like an AJA, Matrox or Blackmagic IO card?
Also give Marshall a call at 1-800-800-6608
If you purchased the monitor from us, we can get another out to you right away if it is indeed an issue with the actual SDI port.

I'm interested in the Marshall V-LCD70P but not sure which one would work best with my JVC GY-HM100. Could someone tell me which one I should get?

thanks

I'm interested in the Marshall V-LCD70P but not sure which one would work best with my JVC GY-HM100. Could someone tell me which one I should get?

thanks

The JVC GY-HM100 has HDMI and component outputs. You'd get the highest quality output with the pure digital HDMI port rather than the analog component output. So, I'd choose the Marshall which feature HDMI for that particular camera. Marshall Electronics 7″ LCD Monitor at DVcreators.net (http://www.dvcreators.net/marshall-electronics-7-lcd-monitor/)

ok thanks!

Excellent feature set, especially the "false color" and peaking during zoom. I've been trying to describe an audio meter for video for a long time. Guy, do you think the Marshall implementation is more useful that a red/yellow/orange/red quarter tone level map? Perhaps an 8 stop meter segmentation would be better. I don't know exactly what I want, but I'd like someway of mapping level data to a readable value.

I'm thinking in the hdmi version to use it with 5dmII, but some people seems to have problems with false color through hdmi
what do you think about this?

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/canon-eos-7d-hd/466506-anyone-using-marshall-v-lcd70p-hdmi-monitor.html

Hello Guy,

I have been a silent member for a while and have learnt much from these forums. I have owned an EX1 for over a year and decided to improve my focus by adding the V-LCD70P-3GSDI to my gear thanks to your reports. Unfortunately, as simple as it should be, I have not been able to get it to work. I carefully read all related SDI output mention in the EX1 manual, but it did not get my Marshall working. I then talked to Marshall and after a 15 minute talk the helpful tech suggested that I send it in as there might be something wrong with the monitor itself. Today I received a call from Marshall and there seemed to be nothing wrong with my monitor on first impressions, but they needed to test it with an HD SDI output cam before they call me again.
I was wondering if you would be so kind to let me know of any "secret" settings there might be to make it work. Or even the proper procedure/ adapters or other tricks that might not be mentioned in the manuals.

My gear: EX1 with the first firmware upgrade, SDI out with BNC cable (third one I bought just to be sure it wasn't the bnc) into SDI input on the V-LCD70P-3GSDI.
All I get is a blue screen with an occasional "no signal" sign at the top left corner.
This may be a setting that totally escapes my limited expertize, but it might also be a faulty EX1...I am lost and Marshal does not really have much to say about the EX1 / V-LCD70P-3GSDI combination so far.
Help is truly appreciated.

Thanks!
Alex

Hi Alex,

Congrats on stepping up your game.

Is the cable a proper 75 ohm HD-SDI cable?

If you do not have a way to test the unit, you can have the monitor sent to us.

Here is the Sony EX1 manual http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/sony-xdcam-ex-cinealta/122890-xdcam-ex-series-brochures-operator-manual-downloads.html

On page 102 it shows that in the Menu>Video Set>YPbPr/SDI Out should be set to "HD"

Hope this helps,

Also check page 113 in the manual. Ensure that you have the iLink DISABLED in the others menu or you won't get a signal from the SDI.

Thank you so much guys!

After careful consideration I decided to send the field monitor back to Marshall and they changed a faulty module in it. I got it back today and it works very nice. The peaking function is not as clear as on the EX1 itself, but the false colors (exposure) feature is quite cool. I am sure I'll be fine with both peaking functions on and a decent size lcd to "eye" it on.
I am so happy that it wasn't my EX1...
Anyway, thank you again for your help. I do have the EX1 manual and had already adjusted the settings as mentioned in your responses. (I actually sent the EX1 manual to Marshall as they did not have it...They were very helpful.

Now I am going to review your short video on the Marshall 7" settings to getting down faster and then drive out to shoot a few long shots that will compliment this coming weekend's shoot. It's a beautiful day in San Francisco.

Thanks again!

Alex :0)

And a little Quote from the manual

"Emulation of SMPTE-C/EBU color space allows the V-LCD70P-3GSDI to replace any broadcast CRT monitor. Presets
include D55, D65 and D93. Bias and Gain adjustment for each color enables precise color matching and white
balance"

Just a hype. If your camera head is only capable of 8bit output, HDMI is as good. And the WB presets are included with the Marshall HDMI version, as well.

3G-SDI is a must for those outputting 422 10 bit from their cameras.

Guy,
I'm about ready to buy a new monitor ( have been shooting with my Canon 7d, in addition to Letus), and hopefully will get it from you. I have a few questions-

This one- V-LCD651ST-HDMI has been reccomended by Phil Bloom. Does it do the following:
1-Allow either hdmi or component in?

2- Does it allow you to magnify/ expand the image while recording?

3-Can you run out of the component to send signal a second monitor ( I have an 8" Swit and a gateway)? Or would I have to use a splitter?
Is this the monitor you'd reccomend?
Thanks for all your info.
Bruce Yarock
yarock@aol.com

Guy,
I'm about ready to buy a new monitor ( have been shooting with my Canon 7d, in addition to Letus), and hopefully will get it from you. I have a few questions-

This one- V-LCD651ST-HDMI has been reccomended by Phil Bloom. Does it do the following:
1-Allow either hdmi or component in?

2- Does it allow you to magnify/ expand the image while recording?

3-Can you run out of the component to send signal a second monitor ( I have an 8" Swit and a gateway)? Or would I have to use a splitter?
Is this the monitor you'd reccomend?
Thanks for all your info.
Bruce Yarock
yarock@aol.com

Guy,
I'm about ready to buy a new monitor ( have been shooting with my Canon 7d, in addition to Letus), and hopefully will get it from you. I have a few questions-

This one- V-LCD651ST-HDMI has been reccomended by Phil Bloom. Does it do the following:
1-Allow either hdmi or component in?

2- Does it allow you to magnify/ expand the image while recording?

3-Can you run out of the component to send signal a second monitor ( I have an 8" Swit and a gateway)? Or would I have to use a splitter?
Is this the monitor you'd reccomend?
Thanks for all your info.
Bruce Yarock
yarock@aol.com

Thanks for your questions. I can help answer these.

1. Yes, allows for both HDMI and Component input
2. Yes, allows for 1:1 Pixel - Pixel mode (zooms to center of frame)
3. When feeding in Component, you can loop out Component. When feeding HDMI, there is no looping back out through component.

We see a lot more of the 7" model selling rather than the 6.5" Super Transflective Outdoor Monitors, though that may just be a price issue. The 6.5" model is considerably more expensive. Personally, I'd get the 7" with a hood and save the $600+. However, if a large amount of your shots are outdoors in bright, direct sunlight, then the 6.5" model will be a joy to use.

Guy,
Thanks for the info.
I can't see it on the info page, but do either of these allow for ac power connection? I do a lot of stuff indoors where ther is power and it's a pain to have enough batterys.
I have several Canon batts, but I remember from my fx1 that the Sony l series last quite a bit longer. If I went that route. I'd also nee to buy a charger for the Sony batts, right?
lastly, it looks like the 6.5"model has more pixels. How do the two compare in resolution?
Bruce Yarock

Guy,
Thanks for the info.
I can't see it on the info page, but do either of these allow for ac power connection? I do a lot of stuff indoors where ther is power and it's a pain to have enough batterys.
I have several Canon batts, but I remember from my fx1 that the Sony l series last quite a bit longer. If I went that route. I'd also nee to buy a charger for the Sony batts, right?
lastly, it looks like the 6.5"model has more pixels. How do the two compare in resolution?
Bruce Yarock

Hi Bruce,

Thanks for asking. Both monitors ship with AC power supplies. They are the 4 pin XLR type. There is a switch on the side which lets you jump between battery or AC.

The resolution of the Marshall Electronics 7″ (http://www.dvcreators.net/marshall-electronics-7-lcd-monitor/) is 800x600 while the Marshall 6.5″ Super Transflective Field Monitor (http://www.dvcreators.net/marshall-super-transflective-monitor/) does indeed have more pixels 1024x768. However, on such a small screen, the difference isn't jaw dropping.
I'd say it boils down to the amount of shooting you do in harsh ambient light conditions. If you're in studio, not worth it, if you're out in the field all the time, absolutely worth it.

The main reason I have chosen the 70P Marshall as my second monitor (in addition to the 10.9", 1366x768 Manhattan) is its peaking and false color functions. However, I find the peaking to be a bit too "aggressive", i.e. it also displays on edges that aren't necessarily in perfect focus (it's enough for them to be contrasty enough).

The same can happen with the EX1 peaking when set to "high", but here you can decrease the sensitivity to medium or low, which gets rid of the problem and displays the peaking on truly sharp edges only.

Do you have the same problem, and if so - is there any way to alleviate it (I can't see any peaking "tuning" functions in the Marshall menu)?

A few months back I sent my new Marshall 7" HD-SDI field monitor back to Marshall for a check up. When rebooting the camera, the monitor would not receive the signal. I tried all possible as suggested by Marshall before sending it in, but it would still do this after rebooting the camera, and eventually it did it on its own...
They replaced the SDI module and after I got it back I only used it on three shoots. It is now doing it again.
Has anybody had any similar issues? Is there something that I am not doing right here? Yesterday it was a six hour shoot and the monitor was in the director's hands working fine until the last three shots. I had to view past clips to confirm continuity from an earlier shot. That meant rebooting the Sony EX1. After that, I could get no signal. I tried unplugging cables, powering down the monitor, powering down the camera, removing the battery, but it had to go quick so after 5 - 10 minutes of my interruption on set we had to continue without the monitor. I talked to Marshall, but they want me to perform tests; try switching between two equal monitors when this happens, try feeding the failing monitor from another EX1 when this happens. That means I have to rent gear to test my monitor. I would like to avoid further inconveniences with this monitor that I like a lot, when it works, but is causing me loss of business.
Any info would help.

Kind regards,
Alex Vargas

Status during incident: Sony EX1, firmware 1.2, it was plugged to power, Sony SxS card, new BNC cable, battery had 20% left charge on monitor when it happened.

<bump>

Hey Alex, what was the final resolution of your Marshall monitor problems? i'm thinking about a Marshall or the equivalent Ikan.

The Marshall 70XP now comes with loop-thru on the HDMI ! ! ! ......for about $80 more than the previous 70XP

Jim Martin
FilmTools.com

Jim, do you have a link to that "loop-thru" version? I can't find any listing that shows anything apart from the single input version.

Here's the link ........
Marshall Electronics - V-LCD70XP-HDMIPT 7" Small Portable Field / Camera-Top DSLR LCD Monitor with HDMI Loop-Through (http://www.lcdracks.com/monitors/v-lcd70xp-hdmipt.html)


Jim Martin
FilmTools.com

Thanks for the link, Jim. One related question: If you have either the HDMI model or the SDI model and feed it a signal, will there be any video appearing on any of the other connections or does the signal only appear on the loop-thru connection?

You send it in HDMI, it goes out HDMI. You send it in HD SDI, it goes out HD SDI. No converting or cross pass through.

Jim Martin
FilmTools.com

a question for on camera monitor. should i go with sdi or hdmi. is there a gret loss of quality with either of the two. i am looking at the 7" marshall monitor.

Thanks in advance,
Dano

a question for on camera monitor. should i go with sdi or hdmi. is there a gret loss of quality with either of the two. i am looking at the 7" marshall monitor.

Thanks in advance,
Dano

If your camera has both HDMI and HDSDI outputs, I'd suggest going HD-SDI. The connector is solid and you can perform much longer runs with HD-SDI if needed. In my experience, the quality of the image will be the same in runs under 50' for both HD-SDI and HDMI.

Of course the HDMI monitors are less expensive if cost is a concern. However, being able to throw a right angle adapter BNC and have a solid connector that won't break in the field is a big concern for run n gun shooting.

Here's a picture of cool new coiled flexible HDMI cable called the Flexicord I bought and broke on first use.

great advice. thank you.

dano