They read the forums? Then Canon has to know that the inability to control aperture sells Nikon lenses.

The example of a firmware fix making one new lens available is quite narrow. A firmware fix that lets us control aperture lets us buy ALL the Canon lenses.

There's no way that I will buy more Canon lenses for video as it currently stands. Give me aperture control, and there's no way that I will buy more Nikon lenses for it.

If I end up with a boat load of Nikon lenses, then I'm more likely to upgrade to a full frame, manual, 24p Nikon DVSLR in a couple of years, not a Canon.

The lack of manual control in video mode is a huge strategic blunder. If they were to make manual control work for only Canon EF lenses in a firmware upgrade, it would be a stroke of genius. :)

You are of course quite right about the model updates vs. firmware updates.



I knew I could wear you down. :)

I'm confident that people like Laforet, who have the opportunity to give direct feedback, are telling Canon the same things we are. I believe he said he tried to shoot Reverie scenes at 1.6 and 1.8. We can be pretty sure know that he did that by disconnecting the lens. Not something we heard about when Canon promoted his demo.

Actually I don't think he disconnected the lens, he was just shooting in very low light so luckily the camera kept things open - he just thought it was using his settings because he didn't really know how to use the camera yet.

Assuming Canon doesn't revise the firmware to provide the functionality we are clamoring for, has there ever been third party custom firmware produced for cameras? I realize that such firmware would void the camera's warranty, but I think many people would still be willing to take that risk.

How tough is it to create such firmware?

Yes, there is, but not for D-SLR's... see CHDK in Brief - CHDK Wiki (http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK_in_Brief)

Definitely *not* easy to create (and not even all that easy to use, in my opinion).

Actually I don't think he disconnected the lens, he was just shooting in very low light so luckily the camera kept things open - he just thought it was using his settings because he didn't really know how to use the camera yet.

From my testing 1.2 lenses go from 1.2 to f2.
The camera seems to only set four apertures: Wide open, fully closed, and two in between.

I feel the best approach is accept the cameras limitations. Or don't accept the limitations and buy something else.

I am confident that we will see firmware updates next year that improve file quality. I'm not expecting anything else.

First: I am honored to post in this thread amongst the greats : )

Second:
I feel the best approach is accept the cameras limitations. Or don't accept the limitations and buy something else.


I agree. The thing is, this is a great Digital Camera. But some are forgetting there is a such thing as a Camcorder! Of course the envelope is going to keep getting pushed, but technology evolves at such a rapid pace; and I'm sure if Canon wanted too, they could theoretically "skip" their next one or two upgrades/updates/new models etc...and put out something simply amazing. But the thing is, they just put out something amazing, the 5D Mk. II! At the end of the day, it is Photographer's tool. It's ability to shoot HD video period is a ++. Can it be used as a second cam in a shoot? Sure, as long as you know the workarounds and respect the limitations.

I have been studying up on photography for the past year or so and I am now ready to take a step into the field. Needless to say this will be my first DSLR camera, AND my second cam at shoots.

So, for the books:
audio monitoring, and a few manual settings to keep us video guys happy : )

JS

Yes, there is, but not for D-SLR's... see CHDK in Brief - CHDK Wiki (http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK_in_Brief)Wow Chris, that looks really promising. If there was ever a camera that would motivate such development, it's just got to be the 5DM2.

You are of course quite right about the model updates vs. firmware updates.

My previous examples (XL2 and XH Series) were also examples of model updates.

My point about Canon's attentiveness to the market remains valid, but I will agree that firmware updates as issued by Canon are never anything more than a fix for a recognized glitch or incompatibility. Wish lists are never accommodated by Canon firmware updates, and if that was your point, then yes I agree with you. However, Canon accommodates wish lists to a degree by changes in the product rev, as has been demonstrated right here over the years.

Anyone who was around here and producing with the XL1/XL1s know's what Chris is saying. The XL2 was literally the best overall shooting tool I've worked with (given the res and cost), and it was literally like the embodiment of our wish list and discussions here over months where we dubbed it the XL2 and talked about what we all wanted to see.

They listened intently.

As has been mentioned.... the one thing that could really force their hand is people moving over to Nikon lenses.

They must know about this workaround and they should have the vision to see that many new people are about to buy DSLR's for video use who own neither Canon or Nikon lenses. The more Nikon lens these people buy, the more chance they will migrate to Nikon when they perfect their DSLR.

If Canon do not know about this issue, or are ignoring it... they are in for a BIG shock.

Yes, there is, but not for D-SLR's... see CHDK in Brief - CHDK Wiki (http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK_in_Brief)

Definitely *not* easy to create (and not even all that easy to use, in my opinion).

Hi everybody

thanks for all the great inputs in the thread. I am really interested in getting a 1080p live feed through the HDMI output. This will suddenly make it possible to encode teh video-material outside the camera. Please let me know if anyone finds a firmware, that will make this possible. Would be great.

Soren