I was watching the retail sales over the past week to pick up a Blu-ray player and a burner and I am a bit dissapointed.

I guess they do not want this technology to penetrate yet as prices amid a horrible retail environment did not move much.

Sam's Club has had a Blu-ray player for $183 for over 6 months on their shelf and the black Friday prices were $179.

The burners have not moved at all.

Just wondering if Sony has put this on the back burner because at this rate, a new technology or flash memory is going to pass it up.

Frustrating...

Blu-Ray burner prices are coming down. For Black Friday (And CYber Monday) we are running the Pioneer BDR-202 at $299.95

http://www.videoguys.com/

We're working with Pioneer to extend this pricing through Xmas.

Gary

For a format or media to gain wide adoption it has to reach a critical mass so that when you produce something on it, you know people can play it. It happened about 5 years ago with DVD. It may never happen with Blu-ray.

As someone who produces video for niche audiences. I don't see how Blu-Ray will ever make a lot of sense as a distribution media. I figure it will take about 3-5 years after prices drop below $100 to ensure that when you send out a disc, someone will actually be able to play it. In the meantime, online delivery will continually improve and become the obvious choice for distribution - no physical media required. I think Blu-ray can still find a niche for backing up data and Hollywood movie delivery. I don't see it being widely used in corporate, advocacy, institutional or personal use. I'd like to be proven wrong

If they were smart they would have used the news of HD DVD dropping out to spur people to buy Blu-rays. They should have had massive price cuts immediately after. They may have lost some money in the short run, but they would have had a chance to reach critical mass on the number of units out there. Now they'll have a much harder time of it.

I agree about the Blu-Ray camp being asleep at the wheel. They should have bombarded the Electronics stores with low price players and titles immediately after HD DVD caved.

I go to Black Friday sales every year with my brother, dad, uncles and friends. We hit Best Buy 1st this year. I could not believe how many folks were buying Blu-Ray players. I was also glad to see some of the movie archives coming out on Blu-Ray as well. Matrix, Godfather etc.

I think that many videographers in the event / corporate space have an opportunity to charge an HD premium and deliver on Blu-Ray. The penetration is not there (although you can't forget the millions of PS3s sold) to generate volume, but it can generate increased revenues.

To collect the premium you have to demonstrate the superiority of delivering HD to your client. That takes an up front investment by you, and in this economy, it's not easy to do. That said, someone is going to be doing it.

Gary

Good points.

I too think they need to or should have dropped the prices for the hardware.

People won't buy the movies unless they have the player.

I have decided to offer a Blu-ray option along with DVD next year.

It will be specialty offering above DVD.

I will be interested to see how much actually gets delivered in HD.

I wonder if there is a way for smaller operators to use a form a online delivery for events?

I think the wedding/event videographers will have an easier time with delivering in Blu-ray since your primary delivery audience is a known small number of people. So if the bride and groom have a Blu-ray player, they'll want a Blu-ray disc and may be pay a premium for that. For organizations or companies, they don't know who will be viewing their disc so to be safe they'll just release on DVD and web for awhile. I know I don't want to deal with people who try to put the Blu-ray disc in their DVD player and complain when it won't play.

While I welcome any price advantage I can get on a BluRay player, I hope we don't end up in the situation we are in with DVD players where one can't seem to find a $200 player that may ACTUALLY still work in two years... I can buy a $49 player but everyone I've bought for the past number of years starts skipping or just fails to play discs anymore probably about 3 weeks after the warranty is up.

I can buy a $49 player but everyone I've bought for the past number of years starts skipping or just fails to play discs anymore probably about 3 weeks after the warranty is up.

Funny Shaun... just got back from lunch with a couple friends, and one of them was saying the exact same thing about his last three cheap DVD players. I have two DVD players - both Sony - with one about 8 years old and the other about 5 years old. Still going strong (or at least they were the last time I actually USED them). My friend is thinking about getting a BluRay player now in the hopes it will last a little longer, even though he doesn't have an HDTV yet.

Regarding price, yeah it would be nice to see them get cheaper, but we've come a LONG way in the last few weeks. Today, WalMart has an online special Memorex BD player for $150 and Sylvania for $238, with a $248 Samsung in stores. BestBuy is listing one Insignia for $170 and another for $250. Meanwhile, they are currently listing the Sony BDP-S350 for $300... I bought the same model at BestBuy for $400 less than 3 months ago. A 25% price cut is pretty significant IMO.

The selection of disks still leaves a lot to be desired though. So far my entire library is less than 10 disks. If they would release a few more of my favorite classics I would certainly buy them.

The selection of disks still leaves a lot to be desired though. So far my entire library is less than 10 disks. If they would release a few more of my favorite classics I would certainly buy them.

Agreed. Do you notice that most of the classics on BluRay don't look very HD? These movies weren't that sharp to begin with, and BluRay probably just offers a higher fidelity reproduction of grain noise.

I find that anything created digitally -- everything by Pixar, for example, or the opening titles to Casino Royale -- are stunning in Blu-Ray and hugely different from standard DVD. Stuff created on film, especially 35mm or 16mm, not so much.

Godfather Restoration on BD? LOTS of film grain. Great if you like that look.

Does there exist a listing of BD Players that will work with home burned BluRay disks? I am going to buy one in January, and I'd like to make sure the thing actually works with my disks.

(On topic)

I can see the pricing of these units coming down. I was in Best Buy a couple times over the past week, and the prices are becoming fairly tempting. I also somewhat disagree with others, I think the amount of titles being released is quite good. It's no small feat for a studio to remaster the older releases. Especially, when we are as picky as we are about the transfers and the audio.

Meanwhile, they are currently listing the Sony BDP-S350 for $300... I bought the same model at BestBuy for $400 less than 3 months ago. A 25% price cut is pretty significant IMO.

I'm at the SonyStyle store right now and they have the S350 for $200 but they said i'll go back up to $300 tomorrow.

Does there exist a listing of BD Players that will work with home burned BluRay disks? I am going to buy one in January, and I'd like to make sure the thing actually works with my disks.


While I know that my BD player (early Sony) doesn't work with BD-Rs, an excellent buy is the Sony Playstation 3 as its firmware is updated often. I updated the firmware on my Sony and it still doesn't play new titles such as Scorpion King. Sony's are just messed up. If you push the Play button on either the remote or the unit from the main menu, guess what? Your disk doesn't play. You need to push Select. Select is the new Play. The startup time for my unit is about two minutes and ejecting a disk takes twenty seconds. This thing locks up on so many BluRay titles, and you have to wait minutes for the BD menu to load. It jams up so often on Fast Forward and Rewind. What a loser product from a usability standpoint. I just want a box that I can start up, push play, and start the movie from the point at which I left off.

On the other hand, the Sony PS3 is an overpowered computer in a game box. It triples as a photo viewer and media file player. You can put your BluRay or DVD image on a flash card, stick it in the USB slot and play. It will save you time and money on burned test BD-Rs. I'll be getting a PS3 very soon for this purpose.

There is another thread about using the $100 (watch for sale) Western Digital Media Player and USB Flash Key for HD distribution with higher bitrate MP4s. You need an HDMI cable, although the composite outputs will also work. I have this box, and it's small and fast. Skipping the BluRay step will save you a lot of time and money.

I'm at the SonyStyle store right now and they have the S350 for $200 but they said i'll go back up to $300 tomorrow.

I bought this unit on Black Friday for $199, and returned it the same day. The unit would play for a few minutes, then go through intermittent episodes of stuttering. Not recommended.

I bought this unit on Black Friday for $199, and returned it the same day. The unit would play for a few minutes, then go through intermittent episodes of stuttering. Not recommended.

My Sony BluRay player is very sensitive to smudges on the BluRay disc, more so than regular DVD players. A thorough cleanse of the disc usually restores normal operation. I know you understand this, but I just wanted to point out that light smudges considered passable on DVDs are less so on BluRay.

I agree that this long after the format was introduced it is shocking and a shame that both Blu-ray burners and Blu-ray media are so expensive.

Blu-ray media is still around ten bucks per disc although I did see that Amazon or somebody actually had a 10 disc pack for a mere $77.00 the other day.

Considering I can buy regular DVD media for between ten and thirty cents each ten bucks a disc for Blu-ray is just nuts.

I understand that early adopters pay a price for new technology but as Blu-ray home DVD players have seen their prices drop over the last six months you would thing the same thing would be happening for Blu-ray burners and media.

To be clear: I'm not disagreeing with the above statement.

I remember 10 years ago paying $25 each for Sony "Premium" DV tapes (DVM60), no IC chip, no plastic case, just the clear acrylic. The LAST time I bought any of these, they were $4 a piece.

The cost of Research and Development "needs" to be borne by someone, and that someone will ALWAYS be the early adopters...

ill only get a bluray player once lotr comes out in high def. even then i have a media center, so i really dont need a player. lol

Blu-ray is a niche format. Always will be.

Consumers just don't care about the upper echelon of media. CD/SACD have given way to MP3 for convenience and cost.

What has convenience and cost? Downloads and DVD.

I will certainly add a Blu-ray player to my HD DVD player but what I'm going to do is raise the threshold for movie purchases.

What is acceptable to purchase on DVD may not be acceptable on Blu-ray because of the media costs. I will only buy the movies that I think exemplify the quality that HD should offer.

So in the zeal and zest of the media industry to supplant the lovable DVD with a higher margin product the will most likely limit the appeal thus making the whole deal superfluous at some level.

Good point.

At some level I think this is reflected in the apparent lack of push from the Blu-ray camp to get the stuff in the consumers households.

Maybe there is too much margin left in DVD to take it off the table yet?

According to industry sales figures available on the Blu-ray forum, blu-ray movie revenue this year is up over 200% from 2007, while DVD revenue is down ~8% for the same period. This past weekend I saw Blu-ray players widely available both standalone and in new computers, including some decent laptops costing under $1000. Blu-ray replication for batches of 1000 or more is available for under $5, and some second-tier Blu-ray titles are selling for as little as $10. This may not mean Blu-ray will become as pervasive as DVDs, but it's a good start in that direction considering how young the format is.

As far as internet downloads are concerned, the emphasis there is more on quick delivery than maximum quality, with HD more of a novelty than with Blu-ray vs DVDs. If you want to deliver or buy HD content today Blu-ray is the most practical answer, and consumers are starting to accept it as such.

According to CEA, 2.2M standalone BD players have been sold so far in 2008 with an estimate of 2.75M to be sold over the entire year. And this is before nominal (non-Black Friday) unit prices fall below $200.

BD player sales continue to accelerate. It's too early to predict when BD sales will hit saturation.

ill only get a bluray player once lotr comes out in high def. even then i have a media center, so i really dont need a player. lol

Beowulf and 300 are "very BluRay" movies.