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Terry Esslinger January 13th, 2009, 05:07 PM My only problem is that the eSATA port dies on my new Dell.
You mean more than once? Thats not good - not that once is good - well you know what I mean.
Thanks for the information on the connection speeds. I have a bunch of external firewire harddrives. Lookos like I'll be collecting eSata drives now.
BTW I didn't get a BR burner because I felt that I could get one and install it for less than they would charge, besides it wasn't included in 'the package'.
Bob Safay January 14th, 2009, 07:16 AM I have been following this thread with great interest as I am in need of getting a new computer, my old HP 120 gig HD) is on its last legs. I do a lot of editing with Vegas 8.c I can see needing an i7 processer, and the deal at Costco ($1,299.99 for the Dell XPS 435 mt) looks great. Has anyone looked at the Gateway FX-6800-01e for $1,249.99? How would that compair to the Dell XPS 435? Bob
Jeff Harper January 14th, 2009, 07:23 AM If you prefer 3GB of ram to 6GB, and you do not need the 23" monitor that comes with the Dell the Gateway looks fine.
The Gateway case appears larger.
Bob Safay January 14th, 2009, 08:28 AM Just saw the Dell XPS 435mt at Costco for $999.00 without the 23in monitor.
Jeff Harper January 14th, 2009, 11:10 AM MOBO, CPU and ram alone will cost $800.
Dale Guthormsen January 14th, 2009, 11:50 AM Good Morning,
Sata is great because you can configure it in raid 0, Correct??
I found out even with the old p 4 that it was always better to have the hard drives in the case as apposed to using external hard drives. With the external sata port one could get a super box or external house that can have two or more drives in it, provided they can hook up sata.
I saw the same deal with the monitor but passed on it as I already have a 22, 28, and dual 19's. the price is amazing. I do not think I could have bought the components for that, and then have to deal with building and configuring it as well, oh yea and buying a new os too.
It was supposed to be here yesterday, I am getting anxious.
Shot my first xlh1 footage yesterday and want to process it!!
Terry Esslinger January 14th, 2009, 12:41 PM Alastair,
What caddy do you use for your external drive and would you still recommend it?
I don't see that the FW ports are FW800. Do the ports look the same and how do you tell?
Alastair Brown January 14th, 2009, 04:39 PM Alastair,
What caddy do you use for your external drive and would you still recommend it?
I don't see that the FW ports are FW800. Do the ports look the same and how do you tell?
Newegg.com - eSATA docking station (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=eSATA+docking+station)
Take your pick!
I just picked Firewire 800 as an example to demonstrate how much faster eSATA was.
Josh Wigginton January 19th, 2009, 01:03 PM Check out Dell outlet for great deals on the XPS 435MT i7. I picked up the following for $699
i7 -920 (2.67 Ghz)
6GB Mem
ATI 4850 - 512MB
2 500GB - in RAID 1 configuration
Crazy deal, it was $750 after tax and shipping. I do like to tweak my own systems and generally build my own, but couldn't resist. At some point the x58 motherboards will drop in price and I may just upgrade the motherboard to overclock. The standard system are locked in the BIOS to prevent all overclocking. I have a power supply from my current computer that will be more than enough. It is a mATX motherboard, so it could require I move it all to a new case also if mATX prices are too high.
Oh, and Dell outlet will come back w/ no systems a lot because of ebayers are scarfin up the deals. Check out "Outlet Scanner". A Tool that will continuously refresh and add systems to your cart. I used it to pickup this great deal, and alwasy check out slickdeals.net for the latest Dell coupons.
Hope this helps out some i7 buyers.
Can't wait, mine arrives on Thursday.
Jeff Harper January 19th, 2009, 01:12 PM Josh, congrats. Remember that Dell cases won't take non-Dell MOBOs. They are designed that way deliberately. Same with power supplies.
Jon McGuffin January 19th, 2009, 06:31 PM I keep meaning to set aside some time to make a post here regarding my most recent system build but for some reason can't quite get around to doing a review the way I would want to, so I'm just going to chime in on some of the highlights here...
- Built my own X58 based i7 2.60Ghz setup on a Gigabyte Motherboard (DS4) with 6Gb of Triple Channel RAM. Spent approximately $1900 on the build including two 24" Acer Monitors (killer deal at newegg, couldn't resist) which means the 'box' cost me about $1300.
- I don't typically overclock, but because I put an expensive $80 cooler on the chip, I figured I had to, so I clocked it up to 3.0Ghz (a modest overclock). It was a piece of cake to overclock and my system temps are relatively very low and I have a *very* quite PC running inside an Antec P182 case which are my favorite cases.
- I'm running a 10,000rpm 160Gb WD hard drive as my main system (application/OS) drive. I have a WD 1TB Caviar Black Drive for storage, and I hooked up 2 - 500Gb WD drives into a RAID 0 using the motherboards SATA controller.
- My OS of choice is Vista Ultimate 64-bit and, of course, I'm running Vegas 8.1 alongside Vegas 8.0c.
Boys.... Let me tell you.... I've built my fair share of systems over the years... This is my favorite computer build by far... I've not yet had a single hickup or error of any kind whatsoever. I burned in with Prime, etc and the system passed with flying colors. This thing just flat out kicks booty. I've not taken the time to benchmark it and I probably won't because I don't need to. It's extremely snappy in terms of load times, etc and as stable as it could possibly be. I *highly* recommend anybody moving into a new system very seriously *only* consider a pc built on this i7 chip.
In terms of editing performance....
Unfortunately, I've not had the time to really load a whole lot of footage onto the timeline and play around but what I have done has left me quite impressed. Video Preview speed is one of the biggest factors as to why I took the upgrade plunge and thus far I'm very satisfied. HDV 1080i footage on the timeline is pegged at 29.97 almost regardless of what I do to the footage and how large I preview it. I've done a little bit of full screen preview, but I mostly work (and am totaly satisfied) with my video preview being 1/2 resolution at 960x540.
A couple of small Vegas quibbles
I'll be quite honest though in that I think I'm frankly a little frustrated in the preview quality of images in the preview window in Vegas in general - not performance but just the visual quality. Maybe my standards have just come up but I think Vegas really needs to go back to the drawing board on this functionality of their software. I viewed similiar HDV footage on a MAC computer the other day and Final Cut did a much better job of previewing video on the timeline. I was frankly a little embarassed.
I'm also really wanting to find and invest in a really good archival intermediate codec to use that will perform very well on the timeline and allow me to get the video out of the highly compressed HDV stage and into something a little more allowing for me in terms of color space and bit-depth. Cineform is close, but their HD package is $500 and doesn't yet support 64-bit version of Vegas, so I'm left in need there...
Anyhow, from a value standpoint, the Dell systems are going to offer far more bang for the buck and I'd recommend them highly. If you are comfortable building your own rig and don't mind spending a few extra bones though, you can build a great system...
Jon
Jeff Harper January 19th, 2009, 10:42 PM Regarding preview quality, I've always thought PP had great playback quality. I have it, and won't install it. It's just too darned awkward to use.
I agree Vegas could use some work in this area.
Congrats on your new system.
Alastair Brown January 24th, 2009, 04:24 PM Well...it would appear that when rendering, Vegas WILL use all 8 cores of my i7. Whereas DVD Architect only uses one.
Rendering a 2hr 6min m2t file as an MPEG2 PAL stream in Vegas and it is on schedule to complete in 1hr 18mins....woohoo!
Near enough the same file as part of a DVD with a small Highlights and Messages sections is showing as 1hr 6mins complete with 9hrs 6min still remaining......BLIMEY!
I should add, both those renders are running at the same time and i can still happily open another project and edit away whilst browsng yada yada yada.
That will be the last render I let Architect do!
Anybody got any good tips on how to avoid the lottery of rendering a file that ends up just too big for the DVD (which is why i always liked letting Architect fit to disc option)
Oh....and i totally agree that the preview quality of Vegas is one of the major frustrations. Some kind of hardward assisted option would be great.
Mike Kujbida January 24th, 2009, 10:29 PM Anybody got any good tips on how to avoid the lottery of rendering a file that ends up just too big for the DVD (which is why i always liked letting Architect fit to disc option).
Use a bitrate calculator to determine your encoding settings.
That way all DVDA has to do is a quick "Prepare" (after you've created gorgeous menus, of course!!).
Here's a link (http://www.johncline.com/bitcalc110.zip) (to a zipped file) to the one I use all the time.
Thanks to John Cline for hosting it.
Andy Todzia January 25th, 2009, 04:47 PM Would 12gb memory instead of 6gb give you much better performance with Vista Home Premium 64 bit? I am looking at the ASUS P6T motherboard.
Jon McGuffin January 26th, 2009, 09:17 AM Would 12gb memory instead of 6gb give you much better performance with Vista Home Premium 64 bit? I am looking at the ASUS P6T motherboard.
Currently I'm only working with 6Gb in Tripple Channel mode and though I can't say for sure, I get the 'feeling' that the extra 6Gb wouldn't do me much good. I know 64-bit software can recognize more memory, but I also understand that it actually physically uses more memory. With that said, 6Gb is still a lot of memory and it's my hunch that only the harshest of projects would benefit from more at this point.
Jon
Andy Todzia January 26th, 2009, 11:12 AM Thanks. Reading this thread is dangerous to my wallet :) I just ordered the parts to build a new I7 system 64 bit Vista system, including a 6 Gb triple channel memory set.
I have a Geforce 7600 250 Mb video card from my old system. Would upgrading to a Geforce 9600 512 Mb card help with video performance? The card works fine with Photoshop.
Jeff Harper January 26th, 2009, 11:50 AM Well, the i7 is worth it. This is the biggest thing since Pentium, even bigger, IMO.
You're card is fine, don't waste your money unless you use MB, then check their site before you buy or ask on here which cards are best.
Jon McGuffin January 26th, 2009, 02:39 PM Thanks. Reading this thread is dangerous to my wallet :) I just ordered the parts to build a new I7 system 64 bit Vista system, including a 6 Gb triple channel memory set.
I have a Geforce 7600 250 Mb video card from my old system. Would upgrading to a Geforce 9600 512 Mb card help with video performance? The card works fine with Photoshop.
Yes, as Jeff pointed out, your card is fine as long as it's a PCI-E card... :-)
Jon
Andy Todzia January 26th, 2009, 03:17 PM Thanks again. I forgot that the card in that case is AGP. I just put in an order for new card.
Jeff Harper January 26th, 2009, 03:45 PM Good lookin' out Jon, didn't think of that.
Jon McGuffin January 26th, 2009, 06:21 PM hehe
That's funny because most 7000 series cards were, to my knowledge, mostly going out PCI-E but I know card producers were still definately producing AGP versions... So I figured it was about a 70/30 he has the PCI-E going but I suppose it's a good thing I mentioned it!! :)
Andy, If you run into problems assembling that system and need some advice/help from afar, don't be affraid to ask me.
Jon
Andy Todzia January 26th, 2009, 06:59 PM Thanks Jon. I actually have the same card as a PCI-E in a dual core computer which was the "new" computer 2 years ago. I decided to update the video card in my old computer to give it a little more life. My biggest concern is Vista 64 and if it won't like some programs. I am not sure if I will migrate to the new computer as an everything computer or keep the dual core running for everything else and just run Vegas, Photoshop, and related apps on the new computer. The only thing I don't like about the two computer situation is that my monitor, an NEC 2690, can only store the calibration for one computer, even though it has dual DVI inputs and can switch back and forth by a press of a button on the front.
Jon McGuffin January 26th, 2009, 08:06 PM Well, the kinds of questions you are asking are very similiar to the ones I was asking a few weeks ago...
Here is what I've done...
#1) I purchased Windows Vista Ultimate so I'd have both versions (64-bit and 32-bit).
#2) As soon as I built my system I started to run through the optimization process on Vista. I disabled all the aero junk, returned to a classic interface. Turned off restoration, stopped Indexing of disks (I don't search much), etc. I also moved my system partition to a drive other than my OS drive.
#3) I didn't install an anti-virus software but did leave Windows defender and UAC on. I don't really mind the prompts actually and I never visit questionable sites and I don't use this system for downloading emails, I leave all my emails on the server and only open up attachements I know..
#4) I run all kinds of software on this system including photoshop, quicken, taxcut, utilites, winamp for playing music, etc. For years it was all about a dedicated editing machine to optimize performance but frankly, my system runs just great and I haven't noticed a beat skipped in terms of performance. It just feels as though hard drive fragmentation, things operating in memory, etc are a thing of the past on this slick new 64-bit OS with 6GB of RAM and 4 cores (8 if you include hyperthreading) system.....
That's my two cents...
Jon
Dale Guthormsen January 28th, 2009, 10:57 AM Good Morning,
I have had my Dell 435MT running the I7 920 processor for a couple weeks now. I leaned it up and tweaked it as much as I am comfortable doing, did not remove restore!!!
Does anyone know if the fire wire is 400 or 800 protocol?? Want to use an 800 external hd.
how is the Esata?? I heard it was best if sata stayed in the machine????
So far no issues with the vista home premium.
I have been editing native HDV from my xlh1 and editing it in 8.0c.
I must say that it is quite good and while I have only been working on 3 minute segments It works as if it were DV.
I am rendering 9 minutes of video at this moment and it is taking about 20-25 minutes, do not know if that is good, seems workable for me.
I am new to the hd and i susupect that when I start building larger pieces combining numerous segments it may bog down, am I correct in this?
Alastair Brown January 28th, 2009, 11:05 AM On paper eSATA should be a far better option than Firewire 400 or 800. However, on my Dell, it died. Got a new one sitting waiting to replace it when I find the time.
Esata merely offers a connection route to one of the internal motherboard sata slots to the outside world.
If your motherboard supports hot swapping eSATA then no reason not to.
Jon McGuffin January 28th, 2009, 11:39 AM Yes, this is absolutely true. eSATA is no different that SATA inside your case. Essentially all that is being done is a cable is being routed from inside the case to your external unit. Your computer doesn't know where the physcial hard drive is sitting in your case or out of your case.
And eSATA blows Firewire 400/800 and certainly USB 2.0 out of the water in terms of speed.
Jon
Andy Todzia January 28th, 2009, 03:05 PM Jon,
Did you enable AHCI or use Native IDE mode for your hard drives? I have read both good and bad about AHCI and I am not sure what mode I will use. My boot disk will be a 300 Gb Western Digital Velociraptor and using all SATA devices.
Andy
Jon McGuffin January 28th, 2009, 03:21 PM Jon,
Did you enable AHCI or use Native IDE mode for your hard drives? I have read both good and bad about AHCI and I am not sure what mode I will use. My boot disk will be a 300 Gb Western Digital Velociraptor and using all SATA devices.
Andy
Andy, this is a really good question and the truth is that I'm not 100% sure which way I went but I believe my BIOS settings are Native SATA(IDE) and I did not use AHCI. I did enable SMART for all drives.
Jon
Bill Rankin January 28th, 2009, 08:50 PM Jon
What made you decide to buy both 32 and 64 versions?
I am in the process of upgrading my editing computer and definitely want to go with the Vista 64 and I7 after everything I've read here and else where. Plus the I7 is on sale in my local for 229.00. And I may be calling on you for some assistance, because my computer was custom built 3 yrs ago and all I need to change is the CPU, MOBO, and memory. The challenge may be installing the OS. We'll see.
Jeff Harper January 28th, 2009, 09:58 PM When you buy the 64 bit retail version you get two cds, one of each version.
I have been running 64 bit for six months, but because of several issues with Adobe master collection (which is 32bit) and the fact I cannot use the 64 bit version of Vegas I have just went back to 32 bit. And while rendering might have been a tad faster in 64 bit, I actually feel relieved to be back with 32 bit.
My run with 64 bit was fine overall, but the fact is I am using no 64 bit apps. I now have full use of my really nice scanner, which I lost with 64 bit because of no drive support.
There really is no real advantage to 64 bit unless you run 8.1.
Yeah, it can use more memory in windows, but not for anything else.
The i7 is so powerful 32 bit vs 64 bit, IMO will be negligible.
Dale Guthormsen January 30th, 2009, 01:47 PM Jeff, and others,
I am running the 64 bit Vista with 8 c. Because of the 32 bit software issue I have networked my older dual core computer and a P4. I am running after effects and other 32 bit software on them. Then I just pull the projects back and forth. I would love to have them all working on the one machine.
I thought about partitioning the os drive (its 750gig) and have 32 bit on the alternate drive. any feelings about doing that?
I went with the 64 bit for HD rendering and work, so far it seems alright, but I am new to the hd workflow. I have been working in the native hdv, no intermediaries to date.
If I went back to xp 32 that would only allow two gigs of my 6 to be functional, right?
How would I benifit from 8.1? I did not see that as an option when I upgraded to c.
Jeff Harper January 30th, 2009, 02:12 PM If Vista 64 bit is working for you you're fine. I just had a situation with a couple of apps, and my scanner, as I had mentioned.
Vegas 8.1 is faster, but I could not get external preview to work, it caused vegas to crash. Addtionally, I use Ultimate S version that does not support Vegas 8.1 so I don't fool with it.
My Adobe stuff worked fine overall, but then Adobe Designer stated flaking out on my because of the x86 thing, and that's when I left Vista 64 bit.
Dale your i7 will work fine no matter what version you have of any applications. You could theoretically run 32 bit Vista and I don't see you'd lose much, because the processor is the big deal, not the memory.
It's kind of like you're invincible with the i7. 64 bit Vista might utilize the processor better, but who cares? If you can already go the speed of sound, what difference would additional speed bring? I just am happy for you that you have all of these choices!
Sherif Choudhry January 30th, 2009, 04:40 PM Well you lucky guys who got the Dell 430 i7 for £645 - its now at £799 with 4Gb RAM, so not quite the bargain it was - what happened to lower prices in the recession?
Jon McGuffin January 30th, 2009, 04:50 PM Jon
What made you decide to buy both 32 and 64 versions?
I am in the process of upgrading my editing computer and definitely want to go with the Vista 64 and I7 after everything I've read here and else where. Plus the I7 is on sale in my local for 229.00. And I may be calling on you for some assistance, because my computer was custom built 3 yrs ago and all I need to change is the CPU, MOBO, and memory. The challenge may be installing the OS. We'll see.
Bill,
#1) Jeff is correct when it comes to the Ultimate version of Windows Vista. I'm not sure that works with OEM copies of the other flavors of Vista. I purchased my copy of eBay "Windows Vista 64-Bit Ultimate Retail Box" and I believe it was like $180 and it includes two disks.. a 32-bit disk and a 64-bit version.
#2) I will be happy to help you with your install replacing the mobo, ram and chip. If you get a chance, let me know the other parts you have so I can be sure they will be compatable. I'm particularly thinking of the power supply (must be ATX 2.1), and have sufficient power, and also the Video card, need to make sure that's up to par.
Jon McGuffin January 30th, 2009, 04:54 PM It's kind of like you're invincible with the i7. 64 bit Vista might utilize the processor better, but who cares? If you can already go the speed of sound, what difference would additional speed bring? I just am happy for you that you have all of these choices!
I really agree with this post.... Since going i7, it seems like everything (except rendering) is so responsive and so immeditely - irregardless of what task I'm doing and what software I'm reunning, that it just doesn't really matter much... 32-bit, 64-bit.. whatever... just get the thing up and stable and rock on...
Jon
Bill Rankin January 30th, 2009, 08:12 PM Bill,
#2) I will be happy to help you with your install replacing the mobo, ram and chip. If you get a chance, let me know the other parts you have so I can be sure they will be compatable. I'm particularly thinking of the power supply (must be ATX 2.1), and have sufficient power, and also the Video card, need to make sure that's up to par.
Power Supply is a Silver Stone Strider PS 600w 12 v rail
Video card is a PNY Verto GeForce 6600 256mb (dual)
I am now wondering if it would be prudent to use the OS I have now XP Pro and just upgrade the MOBO, CPU (I7), and Ram. That way I wouldn't have much to be concerned about with compatibility of the other components (video cards and burners).
Right now I have ASUS A8N-SLI with Athlon x2 4400+. It sometimes studders a little with SD and always with HDV. And when running both PP 2.0 and AE I often lose my monitor screen.
Stephen Sobel January 30th, 2009, 08:57 PM I currently have an Intel E6700, overclocked to 3.2 The last project I did took about 8 hours to render. Ayn estimates on how long it would take with an I7?
Jon McGuffin January 30th, 2009, 09:54 PM I currently have an Intel E6700, overclocked to 3.2 The last project I did took about 8 hours to render. Ayn estimates on how long it would take with an I7?
Stephen,
Obviously, there are lots of factors involved here but the simple fact that i7 is a quad core chip versus the E6700 being a dual core chip should add roughly 35-40% improvement alone. Throw in the faster architecture and I'm going to assume you'd see about a 50% improvement on your frame rates going to a 2.6 to (3.0 overclock) i7 against your 3.2Ghz E6700.
Jon
Jeff Harper January 30th, 2009, 09:54 PM Bill I have run Vista 64 bit for 6 months and just went back to 32 bit. If I had been sensible I would've stuck with XP. I didn't NEED Vista, I just wanted the latest, and 64 bit seemed to hold much promise. Which is does.
However if you upgrade to i7, you're XP will fly! Don't waste your money. I"m not knocking Vista at all. I'm just saying I don't see and significant advantages to it.
Jon McGuffin January 30th, 2009, 09:58 PM Power Supply is a Silver Stone Strider PS 600w 12 v rail
Video card is a PNY Verto GeForce 6600 256mb (dual)
I am now wondering if it would be prudent to use the OS I have now XP Pro and just upgrade the MOBO, CPU (I7), and Ram. That way I wouldn't have much to be concerned about with compatibility of the other components (video cards and burners).
Right now I have ASUS A8N-SLI with Athlon x2 4400+. It sometimes studders a little with SD and always with HDV. And when running both PP 2.0 and AE I often lose my monitor screen.
Hmmmm...
Bill, I'm not thrilled with the video card, that's a very old card and really not quite up to stuff... I realize Vegas doesn't really utilize video processing chips, but I'm not sure about compatability of an older PCI-E 1.0 device like a 6600 (assuming it is PCI-E even) on this new architecture. A newer 9300 Nvidia or ATI 4650 video card probably wouldn't cost more than $50. You should probably go that route...
Though I'm a Vista convert (stayed away only until the last 2-3 months), I still maintain that if you aren't building a new system and are happy with XP Pro, stick with it. You don't really use the OS. You use your applications. If you think you can do a mobo/ram/cpu replacement and let XP Pro try to figure out all the necessary drivers, etc, etc and just motor on, it may be worth a shot.
Otherwise, I'd recommend since CPU/RAM/MOBO are about 70% of the cost of a new system build, to just go ahead and build a completely new system and run the two in parrallel. That way you can be assured your new system is good to go before migrating away from the old.
Jon
Jeff Harper January 31st, 2009, 12:05 AM Actually as Jon points out for driver compatibility you would have an easier time with Vista, I hadn't thought of that.
You could purchase the oem version and save a few dollars.
Bob Safay January 31st, 2009, 06:37 AM Well my new Del XPSMT with core i7-920 2.66GHz 6BG DDR3 750 BG HDD (still $999.00 or $1,099 with MS Office) arrived the other day. Today I will set it up and start running some tests. Ya'll wish me luck now, Bob
Bill Rankin January 31st, 2009, 12:42 PM Jon- let me tell you my "upgrade" story.
At first, I decided to upgrade the CPU from the Athon 2x 4400+ to something much faster. No such luck. MOBO take only 939 config and the only place to find an upgrade is Ebay according to my sources and the upgrade isn't all that 'up'. Not that much of an improvement. Total cost maybe $100.00
Then, I though maybe just change out the MOBO, CPU, & Ram to a AMD quadcore or something like that. Total cost maybe $400.00.
That's when I discovered the newest and greatest I7 and all the talk about it in this thread and elsewhere. Big leap according this thread and the guy at Fry's. Plus the I7 (920) had just been significantly reduced in price. Total cost maybe $650-700. More expensive than I really wanted to invest initially since the MOBOs are more expensive and the DDR3s. Then I thought, well maybe I should just bit the "proverbial" bullet and jump.
But with this setup I can expand my memory to beyond 2.7 or so gigs with the new Vista allowing me to open PPro, AE and PhotoShop and bounce back and forth instead of closing and opening over and over again. But I would need to add another expense (OS), but with the hardware and OS I'll need new video card, perhaps need to change out my DVD burners too. And there is always the unforeseen expense. LOL
And now I am at the point where, as you suggest Jon, it maybe more prudent just to go ahead and build another whole new system to replace the one built 3 years ago. And I am sitting here chuckling at the screen because the whole reason I had one built 3 years ago is so I can 'upgrade' as time goes by instead buying new, off the shelf, machines.
What originated the thought to upgrade my CPU was an upgrade to Adobe's CS4 because I'll need to add a blu-ray burner in the next year or two. I am not wining about all this...it's actually quite humorous.
So...where to from here....
If I go with (XP already owned), AMD quadcore, MOBO, Ram, the system will distinctly be faster than what I have now. I could have Fry's install and let them work out any driver issues. Total about 400.00 plus install,
OR
Pay the additional amount for I7, MOBO, and Ram. Stay with XP. Let Frys install and deal with drivers for total of about $700.00 plus install.
I'll post again later.
Jon McGuffin January 31st, 2009, 01:00 PM Bill,
Between the two, I'm pretty sure you'd have less problems with the $400 scenerio whereby you just upgrade to a faster AMD setup, but you mentioned something about socket 939 and I thought all new AMD CPU's are AM2+ designs...
I think the 'build the system to be able to upgrade' is and always has been pretty much a myth. The only three components that I believe you can legitimately upgrade are the processor, the ram and extra hard drives. And these are almost always small, incremental upgrades. They don't usually net more than a 5 - 15% speed increase and as far as I'm concerned don't justify the cost of the upgrade.
My take on computer builds is to treat it like a tool. You build it once, typically buy toward the higher end, use high quality components, spend the extra money in all the little places, and then just grandfather that system in for the next several years until it's time to do it again. At any given time, I have between 3 and 4 computer systems in my household, so I just move my last 'great' machine down the line and retire the 6 year old machine at the very bottom end (which is usually the kids computer). So I upgrade every couple of years, typically spend about $1500 or so bucks (this i7 was about $2K though) and so I figure I always have multiple high tech rigs around the house for less than $100/month.
Using my methodology, I wouldn't touch your existing computer. Fry's can screw up your computer more than you know and what you consider 'their' problem often can turn into yours when you make countless returns back to the store to fix something they didn't quite do correctly. If $$ is an issue, I'd just hold off the upgrade until you can save the bones to do it and do it right... :)
Jon
Bill Rankin January 31st, 2009, 03:56 PM Jon - what I meant is the MOBO that I have now is 939 and therefore I cannot just upgrade the CPU only. I learned that all three must be upgraded....and that's where the fun began.
Point taken about waiting to build...or may just grabbing an off the shelf machine. I definitely need something a little better than what I have because it sometimes crashes rather quickly when render in AE with PPro open.
I'll think about it a little more....thanks for your input.
Lorinda Norton January 31st, 2009, 09:14 PM Put me in with the group of folks who are really happy about their new machines built with the Core i7 inside! It’s sooooo fast, and except for a problem I’m having with Vista not recognizing my Canon XH A1 I’m quite pleased.
So all I’m going to say now is: Jeff Harper, you are THE MAN! Thanks so much for all your help!! :D
Ken Steadman February 1st, 2009, 12:35 AM My i7 is great it handles everything I throw at it. Just put together another one today for a friend and we got his down to $1150.
Bob Safay February 1st, 2009, 12:45 PM OK, I set up my new Del XPS 435 MT with the i7-920 processor. WOW, this is FAST!!!!! No problens at all. Even just opening Vegas 8.c..... BAMM and its there. What a difference. Bob
Marcus Martell February 3rd, 2009, 11:32 AM Excuse me what's teh price of a good i7 configuration?
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