Is there going to be any PAL version of JY-HD10U? With the DV mode and SD mode in PAL 720*576px? Have anyone heard something about this?

There will be a PAL version, but it will not be HD. It will be SD only.

But it will offer 480p25!

Think film.

Do you mean a PAL version of the JY-HD10U will be released but with the HD mode at 1280*720 disabeld?? That is crap, the higher resolution is the best argument for this camera, who will want to buy it when the HD mode cannot be used?? Are you sure of this Glenn?

Check it out on:

www.jvc.co.uk

It's called the GR-PD1.

I completely agree with your sentiments, what a load of crap.

Remember there is no HD in Europe. So there can be no HD camcorder.

No HDTVs to watch it with.

Frankly, I can't figure out why if it runs at 720p30 it can't run at 720p25.

But that´s not why Iam going to buy it anyhow.. I don´t own a HD-telly. And the only reson that I am interested of this cam is to get the Hi-res moving images in the computer. This will allow more creative editing. I have done alot of movies on odinary DV and I have grown sick and tired with the low end (low-res) results. I think and hope that this camcorder could solve my problems. I just hope that I am going to be able to view my material on my tv in Sweden (PAL).

Because 720 25p insn't HD or Pal standard. It would be a mutant setting.
I am still anxious to see how this camera pans out as its 625p modes in 25 and 50 fps might make it the tool for film transfer. 625p in 16x9 resolution is quite high. Considering that as we know the 720p mode does not use its full resolution, they may actually be very close in pixel count.
25p for its ability for easy transfer to 24fps film is not that important to me as I think tranfer to film is a dying option. Digital projector, DVD, or web distribution is where the future is at. I hope that once all major theaters change to digital projection that 24fps quickly dies.

It´s just a shame that I can´t use the DV and SD mode on the JY-HD10U cam here..

Presumably this means that my PAL DVX100, with a 25p DV image of 720x576 pixels is going to be virtually as high resolution as the JVC, on a PAL TV.
Patrick

<<<-- Originally posted by Patrick Bower : Presumably this means that my PAL DVX100, with a 25p DV image of 720x576 pixels is going to be virtually as high resolution as the JVC, on a PAL TV.
Patrick -->>>

:)

Ken, there is still a huge difference between HD and SD PAL. SD is 720x576 whereas HD is 1280x720 (HD has a huge increase in both horizontal and vertical resolution over NTSC, whereas SD PAL just has a 20% increase in vertical resolution). And yes there is a HD PAL specification. Not only that Sony, JVC, Panasonic and Canon just agreed on a spec for HDV:

From camcorderinfo.com

"The companies have listed four key components of the new HDV standard. First, it will have the ability to record and playback a signal on internationally accepted cassette tapes.The second component is that the format will be able to record in 720 line resolution 60 frames progressive, 720 lines resolution 30 frames progressive, 720 line resolution 50 frames progressive, 720 lines resolution 25 frames progressive, 1080 lines resolution 60 frames interlaced and 1080 line resolution 50 frames interlaced. The third component is that it will have improved error correction and lastly, the fourth objective is to improve on the MPEG format by enabling previewing of video when fast forwarding and running the video in slow motion.

The agreement upon a standard for recording HD video is a huge development. Compatibility among different devices for any video standard is a must for it to be adopted widely by the public. Now that the manufacturers have a standard in development, more HD camcorders will likely be coming soon."

<<<-- Originally posted by Ken Hodson : I am still anxious to see how this camera pans out as its 625p modes in 25 and 50 fps might make it the tool for film transfer. 625p in 16x9 resolution is quite high. Considering that as we know the 720p mode does not use its full resolution, they may actually be very close in pixel count. -->>>

It's PAL standard resolution, so the so-called 625p mode will be 720 x 576. Nowhere near what the NTSC version delivers.

But, it still may be interesting, because it claims it shoots native 16:9 at 720 x 576 at 50p. You may be able to use that as a bit of a mini-VariCam post-processing solution to get multiple frame rates and smooth slow motion. But it remains to be seen if the camera suffers from the same extreme latitude limitations as the NTSC version.

OK, I guess I was a little mislead. The following quote is from the DOC that came with my MainConcept DV codec. As you can see it list PAL 16:9 as a very high resolution. If this is wrong why are they listing it as such?

"FrameSizes in Pixel (for 1.25 and 16:9)
PAL 720x576, 25 Fps
NTSC 720x480, 30/29.97 Fps

PAL VideoSize(square pixels): 1.25 (720x576) & 16:9 (1280x576)
NTSC VideoSize(square pixels): 1.25 (600x480) & 16:9 (1013x480)

The Main concept figures are for DV. Is this going to apply to the JVC MPEG output?
If it is, then the horizontal resolution is better than any affordable DV progressive scan camera, simply because there aren't any prosumer, progressive scan, DV cameras that shoot native 16x9.
The actual increase in horizontal resolution is not that much. 720 horizontal pixels in a 4x3 screen is equivalent to 960 in 16x9, compared to 1280 in the PAL widescreen standard. The vertical resolution, 576 pixels, is the same.
Presumably the Sony PDX10 will shoot 16x9 in 1280x576 resolution, but only interlaced. The DVX100 would, in progressive, with an anamorphic adapter.
Patrick

An anamorphic adapter does not change your resolution. When you select 16:9 in post it just changes the pixel aspect ratio to extra wide pixels.

<<<-- Originally posted by Patrick Bower :
Presumably the Sony PDX10 will shoot 16x9 in 1280x576 resolution, but only interlaced. The DVX100 would, in progressive, with an anamorphic adapter.
Patrick -->>>

As Ken said, there's nothing about 16x9 that changes pixel resolution. PAL 16:9 DV is 720 x 576, the same as PAL 4:3 DV. A DVX100 is going to shoot 720 x 576 whether it uses an anamorphic adapter or not.

DV is 720 x 576 (PAL) or 720 x 480 (NTSC). If video is compliant with the DV standard, it will be recorded and encoded at those pixel resolutions. The only thing that changes is whether the display device is told to interpret those pixels as "tall" 4:3 or "wide" 16:9.

So whats with my codec doc's then? I always believed that anamorphic was as stated, but true 16:9 used the resolutions my codec doc's state.
I am confused now.

Can I get a smooth 24fps slowmotion by shooting in the SD mode? I mean because of it´s high framrate (60fps)?

<<<-- Originally posted by Ken Hodson : So whats with my codec doc's then? -->>>

I don't know. Maybe it's referring to some HD format. But DV and all its variants (DVCAM, DVCPRO, DVCPRO50, etc) are all 720 x 480 (or 720 x 576 for PAL). A native 16:9 camera like the DSR570WS still records all its imagery in 720 x 480. The PDX10, in 16:9 mode, records in 720 x 480.

Any size that varies from those dimensions will not be DV-compliant, so it must be referring to some HD or streaming size.

<<<-- Originally posted by John Eriksson : Can I get a smooth 24fps slowmotion by shooting in the SD mode? I mean because of it´s high framrate (60fps)? -->>>

Theoretically you should be able to get exquisite slow motion, with motion rendering comparable to the VariCam, by shooting in 60fps. But, you're sacrificing the HD image resolution in exchange for higher temporal resolution, so I don't know if the two would intercut well. If you want to shoot your entire project in SD 16:9 MPEG2 mode, you should be able to get the best slow motion possible on any SD-format camera (making allowances for the camera's other limitations, such as narrow latitude, etc).

Thank you!