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Samuel Raj August 12th, 2003, 10:57 PM Does any one spend more than $99 to get Video editing software, Is it worth investing that much for a non professional work?
I hear these are the best softwares
Vegas (#1)
Adobe Premiere
FCP if u have mac
MGI Video Wave(came with adaptec firewire)
Any other software u r using and post your experiences.
I need a cheap software to grab 16:9 footage by this cam. I have MGI, but it doesn't grab 16:9 footage! any idea /suggestion?
Donald Craig Forbes August 13th, 2003, 02:53 AM Hi Samuel,
I'm not sure if this helps but "Studio 8" from Pinnacle has a maximum resolution of 720x480 capture.
The website says NTSC only but my software has a PAL/NTSC setting in the capture mode setup menu. Hmmm...
I'll be ordering my gs100 on Friday and should be able to tell you more on compatibility a week or so after that... (I can't wait) ;-)
If you already have firewire and/or AV inputs in your PC, the software package alone is US $99 direct from Pinnacle, $69 from Gateway.com and you might even find it cheaper if you look around.
Their 'pro' software Pinnacle Edition 5 is about US $650... Yikes!
Studio 8 (OEM version) came with my video card. It was US $45 or so to upgrade to the full version of the software.
Pinacle makes various capture hardware as well if you need it but I've no experiance with that.
Samuel Raj August 13th, 2003, 09:51 AM Thanks Donald,
Welcome to our GS 100 Camera group!
I have adaptec firewire and MGI software that comes with that,it downloads dv footage from my gs 100 to PC , IT downloads wonderful footage from cam, but when i have 16:9 footage, it considers as if it is also 4:3 and shows the same squashed footage!
Hope you can check with pinnacle and verify how it differentiates 16:9
Patricia Kim August 13th, 2003, 03:47 PM Samuel, try a google search for reviews of Movie Maker 2. This is supposed to be a freebie from Micro$oft. I've seen some positive evaluations. Not high end, don't know if/how it handles widescreen stuff, but may be worth checking out - on the theory that it's good to learn how to crawl before trying to run.
Samuel Raj August 13th, 2003, 08:17 PM Thanks Patricia,
Long time no see!! Had a good vacation?
Movie maker 2 is only for windows XP, I have Windows ME,
So, May be i have to upgrade to xp to use it or try other softwares
;)
Patricia Kim August 14th, 2003, 02:04 AM Oops. Well, it may be a question of deciding whether you'd rather pay more for editing software or for upgrading (?) your OS. Anyway, MM2 is discussed as the entry level dv editing software for Windoze in the same breath as iMovie is for the Mac. I'm having great fun with iMovie, so...
Donald Craig Forbes August 20th, 2003, 11:28 PM As far as I can tell, Pinnacle will import DV at whatever resolution it was shot at.
If you film at 720x480, you can render, export back out to DVD at the same res.
740x480 works out to 16:10.6 not 16:9 but the question is, does the DV format even support true 16:9? I'm not sure.
I got an email from Pinnacle tonight to let me know that current, registered "Studio" users can upgrade to "Edition 5" for only US $299... (MSRP $699 - Lowest I've seen it so far was about $650 but I havn't searched all that hard.)
It had some links to various demo videos showing all the neato features of Edition including the ability to expand the interface up to 1600x1200 screen res and to view the video you are editing in any res up to the full DV 720x480 while you are editing it instead of being stuck with a little, low res view.
It also includes 2D and 3D rendering studio stuff so you can make titles and video flip and rotate on screen in realtime before having to render it to disk to really see what you made...
I'm pondering the upgrade.
Lincoln Norris August 21st, 2003, 02:21 AM What does 16:9 mean ?
maybe stupid ?
Cheerrs,
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Lincoln
Lincoln Norris August 21st, 2003, 02:22 AM Hello Samual,
Are you here in Japan?
Just Wondering!
Eng Yew Lee August 21st, 2003, 10:35 AM 16:9 means Anamorphic. The format of Widescreen DVDs. DV supports Anamorphic by stretching the pixels so that they are not square anymore. There are still only 720x480 pixels.
GS100 supports Anamorphic in Wide and ProCinema mode. I have been able to upload clips shot in Anamorphic (ProCinema) format onto my Mac without an issue.
Personally, I prefer to shoot in Anamorphic as it gives me more creative freedom to place subjects on a wide horizon. 4:3 forces you to try to keep your subject centered at all times. To shoot in Anamorphic on a GS100 you may want to get a distortion free wide angle lens. It just opens scenery and allows you to get closer to your subjects.
Samuel Raj August 21st, 2003, 11:19 AM Lincoln,
No, I am in US, California. :)
Lincoln Norris August 21st, 2003, 07:58 PM Thanks for the informative answer.....I am seeing clearly now,
Cheers Lincoln,
So we cant meet for sushi and sake and run through the NV-100K........Samual........... since your in Calafornia
Samuel Raj August 21st, 2003, 08:39 PM Yes lincoln, I wish I will be oneday in Japan to have sushi!!
Young Lee August 21st, 2003, 08:45 PM I eat lots of sushi in CA. (I'm not talking about California Roll) :)
DooKee Cho August 22nd, 2003, 02:05 PM Hi Samuel,
I'm using both Adobe premiere and Vegas to capture DV from GS100 and both working great.
You can capture 16:9 footage using both program. Personally I prefer Vegas because Vegas is much easier than premiere(to give same effect) and it's using mainconcept DV codec which is better (people said but I couldn't distinguish by my eyes though) than MS DV codec which is used by premiere. However premiere has a lot of third party add-on program. I guess Vegas is cheaper than premiere. You can download demo version of Vegas (I guess premiere too!) and test them by yourself. (http://sonicfoundry.com/download/step2.asp?DID=437)
BTW you'd better upgrade winME to XP or Windows 2000. There is a limitation in filesystem with FAT32 and you should use NTFS filesystem. You know 1 hour DV file used to be a 12G file in hard disk. Furthermore XP(2000) has better memory management system which is important to capture DV without drop frame.
Samuel Raj August 22nd, 2003, 05:42 PM Thanks Dookee :-)
I will checkin to the link for vegas.
As for as now, i am just looking for a cheapie solution, because i am not going to get into professional work now.
So the cheapest would be to upgrade to XP and use MM2.
I can get from Costco for 94 bucks xp upgrade.
I already have adobe premiere(evaluation), but i dont like much.
I will evaluate Vegas and if its more impressive, as you said, its codec is better, So I will get Vegas later.
I dont think there is direct impact due to FILE32 and NTFS, but yes, its an upgrade, so the management should be better than ME.
Aylwin Cal August 27th, 2003, 05:33 PM Samuel,
For 99.95 you can get Screenblast Movie Studio 3.0 from Sonic Foundry. Basically, it's a stripped down consumer version of the more professional Vegas 4.0. The user interface is very similar so the transition to Vegas later is very easy if you decide to upgrade.
Just the other day I upgraded from Video Factory 2.0c and this newer version looks good. The change in product name is because it's now owned by Sony Pictures.
I've been playing around a bit with Movie Maker. It's pretty good and easy to use. However, someone please correct me if I'm wrong, I can only seem to save the movies as WMV. For creating DVDs, I'd want to be able to save as MPEG2. I think AVI to MPG is better than AVI to WMV to MPG.
By the way, SMS 3.0 also uses the MainConcept MPEG2 encoder.
Robert Dixon December 24th, 2003, 09:31 AM DooKee Cho,
I looked on the Premiere website under 3rd party hardware and found no reference to the NV-GS100K Camcorder. What did you use?
Rob
<<<-- Originally posted by DooKee Cho : Hi Samuel,
I'm using both Adobe premiere and Vegas to capture DV from GS100 and both working great.
You can capture 16:9 footage using both program. Personally I prefer Vegas because Vegas is much easier than premiere(to give same effect) and it's using mainconcept DV codec which is better (people said but I couldn't distinguish by my eyes though) than MS DV codec which is used by premiere. However premiere has a lot of third party add-on program. I guess Vegas is cheaper than premiere. You can download demo version of Vegas (I guess premiere too!) and test them by yourself. (http://sonicfoundry.com/download/step2.asp?DID=437)
BTW you'd better upgrade winME to XP or Windows 2000. There is a limitation in filesystem with FAT32 and you should use NTFS filesystem. You know 1 hour DV file used to be a 12G file in hard disk. Furthermore XP(2000) has better memory management system which is important to capture DV without drop frame. -->>>
DooKee Cho December 24th, 2003, 02:30 PM GS100K uses IEEE1394(firewire or iLink) port to transfer dv files. It uses standard "OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394" so that you don't need to know about the hardware dependency. In Premiere, you can set it as "generic camcorder or general camcorder".
Nuno Vasconcelos December 24th, 2003, 04:12 PM u can get vegas 4.0 for about 145.00 .
Lincoln Norris December 26th, 2003, 10:54 PM GDAY,
I just thought Id let yah know I am using Pinnacle 8...the ATI Version that was bundled with my ATI Radeon 9800 All in Wonder VGA card....
Captures great and works well....they said on the pack that its a 99$ RRT so maybe you could pick it up much cheaper...
Thats my 2 cents,
Cheers,
Lincoln
Frank Granovski December 27th, 2003, 12:34 AM I heard that the slightly older "Studio 7" was better.
Fred Alberni December 27th, 2003, 06:44 AM Pinnacle Studio 8 is available from outpost.com for free, after rebates. On the lower right hand side of their home page, click on "Software, Games, & DVD".
Guy Bruner December 27th, 2003, 07:03 AM With due respects to Lincoln who appears to be one of the few who have actually been able to make Pinnacle Studio 8 work, do not buy this software unless you have an iron clad, written and legally notarized agreement that you can return it for a full refund. I have every version of Studio going back to Studio DV and version 8 is the worst software I have ever seen...even worse than MS Windows 1.0. In 1 year of trying to get it to work I only made 1 DVD that would play. I gave up and bought Vegas and haven't looked back. If you can actually buy it for the price Nuno says, RUN...DON'T WALK...and get it NOW. Keep in mind that you'll have to buy a separate DVD authoring package. If you can't get it for that price, get Sony Movie Studio. It is a scaled down version of Vegas with DVD authoring.
Robert Dixon December 29th, 2003, 10:18 AM DooKee Cho,
Thanks for the ifo regarding Premier support. for the NV-GS100K.
I went to the Vegas site as recommended and dowloaded the demo. Unfortunately I am a neophyte when it comes to NLE editing software. I was expecting some tutalage from the site but but only received the sample program but with no accompanying instructions for a novice such as me.
<<<-- Originally posted by DooKee Cho : GS100K uses IEEE1394(firewire or iLink) port to transfer dv files. It uses standard "OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394" so that you don't need to know about the hardware dependency. In Premiere, you can set it as "generic camcorder or general camcorder". --
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Tommy Haupfear December 29th, 2003, 10:46 AM I've had no problems with Priemere Pro and the GS100K.
John Gaspain December 29th, 2003, 11:47 PM I like Vegas 4.0 with DVD authoring
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