Hi All.

I've decided to take the plunge on a 35mm adapter and wondered if there was any change in the letus Extreme being generally regarded as the best value / performer for the EX1? I know the Ultimate is out but I don't want to spend that kind of money at the moment.

So, anyone compare the Brevis (with EX1 kit) to the Extreme? What about the SGPro? Is there anything else in a similar price range that I'll kick myself for not looking into before getting the Extreme?

Thanks for any input

Paul.

Go for the SGPRO. I've only had mine a couple of weeks,and have no idea what I'm doing yet,but am still getting the 'look' I've always wanted - SGPRO/XHA1/17-40 on Vimeo (http://www.vimeo.com/1731358)

AND it's half the price of the Letus

Lovely imagery Phil, but your using the XH-A1 and I know these adapters struggle with the EX1's lens and larger sensor.

I did a quick search on vimeo for SGPro / EX1 footage and couldn't find much.

Cheers Paul. I could be wrong,but I think they've sorted the EX1 problem?....or am I thinking of a different camera?

Just had a quick look. There is something on here about the EX1 'fix' Welcome to shoot35! (http://www.sgpro.co.uk/)

LEX is a very very good adapter.

However IMHO it is plagued by certain issues.

Engineering: backfocus adjustment is next to impossible to perform, is dangerous for the adapter, but I still was forced to adjust it because it was way off, and I could not focus on infinity.

This issue is supposedly fixed with the new iteration of Letus adapters - Ultimate. They should allow easy backfocus adjustments, along with some other minor improvements - at the cost of $4,500. (not a typo...)

Otherwise the LEX adapter quality is great. Very well built; image is fantastic; ground glass is excellent - sometimes you forget to even turn the motor on, and still can't see the ground glass. No blooming. I use it with Zeiss 100mm macro, and the image is gorgeous.

Note that you will need to shell out additional $350 for the EX1 achromat kit, on top of $1,200 for the LEX itself. If not, image will be very soft towards the edges of the frame - unusable. With the adapter, all is well.

Customer service is very spotty. Posts on their own site's forum mostly go unanswered. You really have to press them to have any kind of response to the support requests. Seems like they really want to get rid of you after the sale is made.

With rails and EX1 kit, you are looking at almost $2K investment with LEX. (Do Not use it without rails - it is way too heavy.)

Given the very good image quality (after you manage to adjust backfocus), I'd probably still recommend it to folks who can afford it, and who is unafraid of spotty customer service and a bit of DIY.

I must admit I'm very tempted by the SGPRO, it is literally half the price of the Lutus Extreme, and it's made in the UK so no steep import duty and worries of shipping it back should there be a problem.

The only thing stopping me is that I cannot find any footage shot with an EX1 or reports of it's performance with it.

Both music videos on our web site, Moby and Haunted, were shot with LEX.

Thanks Alex, there are literally hundreds of examples using the LEX and EX1 in the EX1 channel I run on vimeo Sony EX1 Footage on Vimeo (http://www.vimeo.com/ex1) but I've only managed to find a single video that uses the SGPRO which is the one now at the top of the channel.

The SGpro seems to have a softer (more filmic) look to it than the ex1/extreme combo, although I'd like to see more examples as this one obviously shows fall off at the edges.

Surely this is a matter of personal aesthetic preference... and i do not have experience with sgpro... but if you ask me, I definitely would Not go any softer than LEX. You are already losing some resolution in the LEX's (although excellent) ground glass etc.

Surely this is a matter of personal aesthetic preference... and i do not have experience with sgpro... but if you ask me, I definitely would Not go any softer than LEX. You are already losing some resolution in the LEX's (although excellent) ground glass etc.

Totally agree that it's down to personal preference. There's something about Phil's video that really grabs me though, not sure if it's the texture / bokeh but there is something kind of more organic about what the SGPRO is doing.

Hey Paul. You needn't worry about the import duty etc as Creative Video now sells the LEX.

Creative Video > Lenses & Filters > 35mm Film Look adaptors (http://www.creativevideo.co.uk/public/show_category.php?categoryID=3&subcategoryID=325)

The LEX also has integrated flip, whereas you need to buy a separate flip module for the SGPro. Adding them together will bring the price up to £800.

Hey Paul. You needn't worry about the import duty etc as Creative Video now sells the LEX.

Thanks Andy, I did investigate that but even after shipping, import duty and VAT, CVP's price comes in quite a lot higher than buying direct. They also don't have any stock unless you want to buy a complete kit, which I don't as I'm getting rails from cinevate.

I spent some time checking imports costs with HM Customs yesterday (not a fun process) and they said that duty will be 3.6% of the total cost including shipping with VAT at 17.5% applied to that total.

The Extreme (with EX1 kit and Nikon mount), v2 support bracket and shipping totals $1600. By my calculations that works out around £1,090 all in. The same at CVP would cost me over £1400.

Paul,

The 2 main ( and I think equal quality) competitors to the Letus Extreme are the Brevis and the SGPro. All 3 have their pluses and minuses, but all 3 are in my opinion quite good. The Brevis was the best in low lowlight and the SG probably the prettiest imager.

Until recently the Letus was the only one that had worked out a good fix for the EX-1's unusual lens. However recently the SGPro announced a new achromat for the EX-1 and also the Brevis announced a new screen that they say works with the EX-1.

I can't speak yet for how good those fixes are. SG is also close to releasing 2 new versions (the "Blade") which sound like they will be significant improvements over their current model.

Alex's remarks about Letus are accurate - especially about backfocus issues though there seems to be an upgraded version of the Extreme available from Zacuto (the "Elite") with improved backfocus control. There is of course there Ultimate for $4500 which is probably the best of the bunch but a lot more money.

All of this indicates a rapidly shifting landscape and some unknowns. probably the most reliable thing if you buy immediately for an Ex-1 might be to spring for the Ultimate or try the Letus "Elite" from Zacuto.

If you are using on another camera though all three are fine.

Leonard Levy

All of this indicates a rapidly shifting landscape and some unknowns. probably the most reliable thing if you buy immediately for an Ex-1 might be to spring for the Ultimate or try the Letus "Elite" from Zacuto.

Thanks Leonard, it certainly is a rapidly shifting landscape. I'd love a Letus Ultimate, but £3,200 seems way over the top to me for a 35mm adapter. I don't know what's inside it but it must be something very precious.

The SGblade sounds very promising and I'm going to keep my eye on that for a while before jumping in. Mind you with a nice 50mm f1.4 nikkor and cinevate rails starring at me waiting to be put together I'm not sure how long I'll be able to hold out :)

My impatience got the better of me....

I was so impressed with the Cinevate rail that I went for the brevis. It turned up today and the weather was really dull but I did manage to get a few test shots of the family and dogs though and I'm really happy with the results.

EX1 & Brevis: day 1 on Vimeo (http://www.vimeo.com/1804930)

Cool video.

Id Brevis' ground glass static? I couldn't shake the feeling that I'm seeing a tiny bit of GG surface throughout the video - although it could be just compression artifacts on Vimeo...

Paul, I haven't looked at the clip yet, but a general rule with CFXL is to shoot with good exposure, and keep lens apertures below f5.6 if panning across bright skies etc. If you are seeing some grain masking, you can also adjust the micro-processor adjustment port on the side of the unit. Our EX1 shooting guide on the video university is a good guide to take a peak at.

Cheers,
Dennis Wood
www.cinevate.com

Thanks Dennis, I haven't actually noticed anything I don't like in the images, maybe it's just the flash compression that Alex is seeing?

I found an extra use for that adjustment port last night. While I was filming for a new project I'm working on I noticed that the EX1's peaking was picking up a small line in the middle of the image, it turned out to be a small hair on the inside of the element.

I didn't really want to try and take the unit apart as it would have probably ended up with more dust inside so i simply removed the screw from that port and gave the hole a puff of air from my air cleaner... problem sorted!