Looking through the posts within this thread it strikes me that people are prepared to buy a high quality camera (EX1/EX3) but when it comes to the item that matters, i.e. the media on which to record your creative work, then we are looking for a cheap alternative?

I am sure that none of the pro users are going to tell their clients, "actually I have used a low cost media so I will reduce my fee". I know the Sony media is overpriced, but then are so many other things in life, if you want the best then it does come at a price.

When I first started out as a stills photographer, I purchased a Nikon camera and then looked for a cheap lens (Vivitar or Tamron). In the long run it was a false economy, the images lacked that extra something. OK, so I eventually had to dig deeper into my pocket and buy Nikkor lenses, but having confidence in your equipment has to be a high priority.

Yes, there are several combinations of SDHC, readers that don't work and a couple that do, trawl through this thread and you will find them. Just remember that when you have your shot set up and your talent waiting for the "ACTION" cue, will you be confident that you are going to have a trouble free capture.

I have had a complete U-turn on my thoughts since first looking at this thread, I will be buying Sony media in future, just because it gives me peace of mind - I have enough to think about on a production without having to worry if I am going to get an ERROR message on my next take.

A guy who later became a close friend to me told me a sentence after I had learnt
English for three years only at school. I shall never forget his words:

There is no such thing like a free meal.

Mainly you're right ..and I think most of EX1-3 users agree with it. Of course SXS is always safer and we all do important recordings on it. As my dealer said - memory card for EX1 must be taken as part of camera - When you gonna purchase camera take it with memory what you think you need anyway. And that's the price of your system. But thanks to nice community we have little another option... maybe for just safe to know that you have more recording time.

best regards

Raul

The vast majority of my work is done in standard frame rates. I'm using SDHC for much of that now and I'm tickled pink that I can do so. The whole point is to have as many reliable recordable cards as possible! I use SXS for slowmo.

There are some (two) early reports on the web that this might work for all but overcranking in a similar way to the Kensington. More information will come no doubt come soon (or just google it).

Expresscard Multi-card Adapter (http://www.delkin.com/products/adapters/expresscard34/6in1.html)

I will be buying Sony media in future, just because it gives me peace of mind - I have enough to think about on a production without having to worry if I am going to get an ERROR message on my next take.

Is there statistical data available that shows SxS to be more reliable than SDHC if you do not overcrank?

I'm not aware of such, and my experience shows SDHC to be completely error-free so far.

As for emotional approach, here's another story that may be quoted. (Very applicable to the current economic situation, too, unfortunately.) JP Morgan (the person, not bank) was once asked by a panicked investor, "What should I do with my stocks? I'm so nervous I can't sleep at night!" - to which Morgan replied: "Sell down to the sleeping point."

So yeah, if you are uncomfortable with SDHC, by all means do what feels right to you.

Back to the technical side of it, so far I haven't seen any practical evidence of SDHC being inferior in reliability to SxS though.

I got a bit worried about the posts that the Kensington's might be discontinued, especially since the B&H site mentioned explicitly that the card reader was discontinued. If there is any truth to those rumors, where can I get them in the future was my thinking? Ordered 4 from Dell and 4 from another company and I now have 8 Kensington's for two cameras. Even if one breaks or malfunctions for whatever reason, I will be good for a long time and possibly have an additional safeguard against losing those small SDHC cards, since I can keep them inserted in the Kensington's.

The question really is, are we not overly influenced in our behavior and purchasing decisions by these kind of rumors? I feel I may have been overly cautious by getting 8 of them.

Looking through the posts within this thread it strikes me that people are prepared to buy a high quality camera (EX1/EX3) but when it comes to the item that matters, i.e. the media on which to record your creative work, then we are looking for a cheap alternative?

Then you've missed the point altogether. This is enabling technology. The camera (and the media) are enabling amateur or indie pros to shoot VERY high level HD footage at a reasonable price. Nothing more, nothing less.

I am sure that none of the pro users are going to tell their clients, "actually I have used a low cost media so I will reduce my fee". I know the Sony media is overpriced, but then are so many other things in life, if you want the best then it does come at a price.

The "best" what? My clients define best as what they see on the screen. Never once have they asked me what brand of media I am shooting on. And as far as reducing my fee, there is no need. However, if my clients want me to shoot 3 hours of footage in HQ 1080p then I can either use SDHC and accept the work, or tell them they must hire out (which they cannot afford to do). So for my clients, it's a matter of me either accommodating their needs, or not being able to.

When I first started out as a stills photographer, I purchased a Nikon camera and then looked for a cheap lens (Vivitar or Tamron). In the long run it was a false economy, the images lacked that extra something. OK, so I eventually had to dig deeper into my pocket and buy Nikkor lenses, but having confidence in your equipment has to be a high priority.


How on earth is this even a fair or relative comparison? I'll pay you US$1M if you can tell the difference in the 1080p or 720p footage I capture on SxS versus SDHC. I have the UTMOST confidence in my gear. If I didn't, I wouldn't shoot with it. Period.


Yes, there are several combinations of SDHC, readers that don't work and a couple that do, trawl through this thread and you will find them. Just remember that when you have your shot set up and your talent waiting for the "ACTION" cue, will you be confident that you are going to have a trouble free capture.

Yes. I am confident. And in the dozen or so jobs I've shot on SDHC, not once have I had a moment's concern that it was not going to work. Much of my work is event work. If I don't get it the first time, I don't get it. And I am VERY pleased with the SDHC solution. MUCH more so than I was with tape, or even my Firestore which I still use for long-form recording.

I have had a complete U-turn on my thoughts since first looking at this thread, I will be buying Sony media in future, just because it gives me peace of mind - I have enough to think about on a production without having to worry if I am going to get an ERROR message on my next take.

If Sony media gives you peace of mind, then have at it. I'd be far more worried about an actor blowing a line, a boom mike getting into frame, or a bulb blowing on set, than my SDHC solution suddenly throwing an error message. Not to say it won't happen, but it happens with ANY recording media. Ask any film operator how many times they have seen or heard of film mis-registration, breakage, or other malady. Or those who recorded onto tape dealing with mangled tape in harsh environments or cold. None of the technologies is perfect.

What I find utterly ridiculous is the idea that somehow the storage media in SxS is somehow different than that in SDHC. The actual memory is being produced by the same people at the same company. The same Sandisk Ultra2 cards we are using are used by countless pro still photographers to capture once in a lifetime shots. Do you think they have sleepless nights about using Sandisk and only use Nikon or Canon branded Sandisk memory cards? Sony even alludes to the fact that they are not producing the memory cards you're so enamored with. But somehow you feel that because it has a Sony label on it, it's clearly superior?

Now if you want to lay issue at the feet of the adapter card, well then maybe you have something there. Maybe the Kensington card isn't as reliable as a Sandisk or Sony SxS media. Those of us who shoot job after job using them might well disagree. But until I see some evidence, either statistical or empirical, to the contrary, I am going to say my SDHC solution is every bit as viable and reliable as the SxS solution in *my* use.

There are some (two) early reports on the web that this might work for all but overcranking in a similar way to the Kensington. Expresscard Multi-card Adapter (http://www.delkin.com/products/adapters/expresscard34/6in1.html)

Thanks, Andy -- here's the Delkin ExpressCard 34 Multi-Card Adapter at B&H:

Delkin Devices | ExpressCard 34 Multi-Card | DDEXP34-MULTI-1 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/578258-REG/Delkin_Devices_DDEXP34_MULTI_1_ExpressCard_34_Multi_Card_Adapter.html)

and at Amazon:

Amazon.com: Delkin ExpressCard 34 6-In-1 ExpressCard 34 Card Adapter: Electronics (http://www.amazon.com/Delkin-ExpressCard-34-Card-Adapter/dp/B000M5U8KU/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1227803485&sr=1-4)

I haven't heard about that Delkin adapter - is it confirmed that it works with EX1?

Is it shorter than Kensington so door would close with it?

Looking through the posts within this thread it strikes me that people are prepared to buy a high quality camera (EX1/EX3) but when it comes to the item that matters, i.e. the media on which to record your creative work, then we are looking for a cheap alternative?

I am sure that none of the pro users are going to tell their clients, "actually I have used a low cost media so I will reduce my fee"...Vincent, I think you may have missed some of the points made in this thread. If SDHC simply meant exactly the same workflow as SxS then you may have a point, all that SDHC would mean would be that the overall total capital cost of the system - camera plus memory - would be somewhat less. (Well, quite a lot less, but...)

But it means far more than that. It conceivably means the difference between a user having to download in the field to free up card space, and being able to do it under more controlled conditions, because they can afford a lot more card space.

It conceivably means the difference between having to download material to give to client, and being able to simply treat the SDHC cards like tape or disc and hand them over in the way you would with a tape. I've seen 16GB cards (50 minutes) for well under £20 now - to my mind that's consumable pricing, and the pricing is likely to get better still.

It also begins to mean that all the active archiving issues (with the possibility for error) go away. Shoot, download to NLE (with all the tapeless advantages), then put the card on the shelf.

Conceivably, true SxS may be a trace more reliable than SDHC, but my gut feeling is that that difference is completely blown away by the chances of something going wrong come download time - especially if it's being done in less than ideal conditions. Take that sort of human error factor into account, and SDHC may actually be far MORE reliable overall than SxS.

David's got a good point. I am organising a foreign travel shoot that will be costed on taking plenty of SDHC cards for shooting with no hassle of carting around MBP and hard drive. The cards cost the same as HDCam tape now so client pays without hassle.

David,
I cannot second your oppinion up to the end. While I see your point, Vincent had made it clear that quality and security only comes at a price. Professionals would be dumb to pay more if something really went for less. Quality and security only come at a prime - how much that has to be is another question, I agree.

Put blantly but without the slightest offense - SDHC is tinkering compared to SxS. Given the situation with new Kensington readers or supply from other manufacturers - how do you want to base a business or profession on such a business model? I am not talking about how well SDHC works but just supply of necessary material - the reader.

SxS is not less secure then SDHC when it comes to transfers of raw material into an NLE.
However I'll go as much Solid State as possible within my workflow and replace the HDD of my laptop with a SSD 2.5" format. Transfers with that "container" are much faster then to an HDD. And if you have nothing but hourlong takes to record, take more Sxs cards or an HD recording unit. The possiblities are endless. But "cheap" and "low price" must not be a deciding factor. Either the client pays for what he expects or let somebody else do the job.

Just my 0.02.
P.

There are some (two) early reports on the web that this might work for all but overcranking in a similar way to the Kensington. More information will come no doubt come soon (or just google it).

Expresscard Multi-card Adapter (http://www.delkin.com/products/adapters/expresscard34/6in1.html)

According to information on the website, this adapter can handle 17MB/sec of write speed. Theoretically will work for HQ mode, if paired with a Class 6 SDHC Card that worked with other readers...

....and, for those of you with EX1 (and with the 1.11 firmware on it) the best bit is that the web reports suggest THE DOOR WILL CLOSE....:-)

If you have an EX3 this is irrelevant of course - as the launch firmware and door arrangment with more headroom means you are good to go anyway :-)

It's very early days (and I stress this is not my information/personal experience) but it's out there in the ether. You guys (that can) please try and get this Delkin Adapter. Test it out to confirm and let us know.

It would appear that Steven Thomas reported that Delkin adapter was a no-go - or am I misreading this?

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/934247-post103.html

It would appear that Steven Thomas reported that Delkin adapter was a no-go - or am I misreading this?

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/934247-post103.html

You're talking 2 different adapters. The Delkin Expresscard 34 6-1 does work.

Expresscard Multi-card Adapter (http://www.delkin.com/products/adapters/expresscard34/6in1.html)

The Delkin adapter you link to is the CF card to Expresscard adapter. It does not work.

Ronn, is this the correct link to Delkin adapter (http://www.amazon.com/gp/search?ie=UTF8&keywords=B000M5U8KU&tag=mo7iescom-20&index=electronics&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325) that is reported to work?

Yes. See Chris Hurd's msg #1109.

OK just got the best deal possible on these cards for people in the Uk and Europe.


Ebay number: 220308876354

Price was $34.95 plus only $25 postage to the UK for two cards. Ordered and paid for.

Delkin in the UK want to charge £50 an adapter plus postage!

Sorry if I have broken any rules in showing the ebay seller. If I have I am sure it will be removed!

Hi Everyone,

As I mentioned earlier this month, it's been difficult and very expensive to obtain Kensington cards in Australia, so I tried out quite a few different cards before I found two that worked. They were functionally
identical to the Kensington, ( I can get 50fps in PAL out of the Sandisk Ultra II), with the exception that the card protuded out 2mm or so more, so wouldn't allow the door to close on the EX3. But as a stop
gap measure they worked fine, and were certainly cheap enough, that if I made a mistake it was no biggie.

After using them successfully on a large number of shoots, as well as stress testing them in the studio, I posted that they were working.

But it started to bug me that the cards were hard to get in and out of the camera, and I thought there had to be a better solution.

Since that time I have been corresponding with several manufacturers in HK, China and Taiwan about creating an Expresscard 34 adapter which would mount the SDHC card internally, using a Push-in Push-out
mechanism, so that the SDHC card would be enveloped and allow the EX1 door to close. I first tried to contact the manufacturers of the cards that I already bought (see previous posts) from HK and the Philippines.
Their designs were always a smidge too thick for the EX1, so I had to look further afield. I found a manufacturer who was able to produce them.

We've already been through the prototype stages and are at the last stages of testing the working cards. I’m going to put it through the same tests that we did with the Philippine and HK cards. I don't expect
any problems as the electronics are the same as the Prototypes. They are tooling up their line to produce in quantity, as soon as we give them the go ahead. If that all goes well we should be in business no
later than two weeks from now. Just in time for the big man to come down from the North Pole.

On another note, their CEO wanted to know what I was planning to use the card for, and when I told him he wanted to know why we weren't getting him to build a 16GB and 32GB Expresscard using the
PCI interface, which means it will be a direct replacement for the Sony SxS, with similar performance, ie 60fps overcrank. He was surprised we were so keen on using what he called a work-around card.
I'd given up on finding a card after trying the Lexar and the Transcend. They just couldn't keep up with HQ. The first working card should arrive within the next two weeks.

The Adapter card will obviously be selling for more than the Generic cards, but will still be less than the Kensington. I don't have pricing on the memory cards yet, but I'm sure they will be very attractive.

If anyone is interested in either of these cards please send me an email, and I'll let you know when they are available for sale,

Regs

Hi Ross I would more than likely be in for a couple of them when their ready.

Good luck with it and I hope you make some good money out of it. Small lines are my business but I didn't know where to start on this one, but I am glad someone had the foresight to do something about it.

As I'm on EX1 the shorter reader is essential, so I've just done a quick order from ebay.
It should arrive by 10th Dec.
So far I've ordered 4 Kensingtons, got two and two will be coming.
Now I can send two Kensingtons back, because 4 cards ( DElkin and KEn) will do for me.
( I'm also having 2X8 and 1X16G SxS)
If anyone needs 2 Kensington lemme know before next Tue. ( Both cards are unopened in the original pack)

On another note, their CEO wanted to know what I was planning to use the card for, and when I told him he wanted to know why we weren't getting him to build a 16GB and 32GB Expresscard using the PCI interface, which means it will be a direct replacement for the Sony SxS, with similar performance, ie 60fps overcrank. He was surprised we were so keen on using what he called a work-around card.
Ross - this news is potentially MASSIVE, and I'm sure there will be a queue of people lining up to thank you and that CEO.

I'm not sure it will actually be a DIRECT replacement for Sonys SxS, since I doubt it will have the 800Mbs speed rating. The implication is that absolute download speeds are unlikely to be as high and it may not work with future SxS cameras which need even higher data rates than an overcranked EX.

For many, many people I don't see that being any sort of practical issue. P2 pioneered solid state, this announcement could be the start of it coming of age.
While I see your point, Vincent had made it clear that quality and security only comes at a price. Professionals would be dumb to pay more if something really went for less. Quality and security only come at a prime - how much that has to be is another question, I agree.
How I see it is that reliability depends on two factors, absolute technical ones and human factors. An aviation analogy may be that planes may crash either due to mechanical failure or pilot error.

For what we're talking about I suspect the chance of failure through human factors is much greater than the chance of failure through card failure - be that SxS or SDHC. If SDHC changes the workflow enough to significantly reduce human factor errors (such as inadvertantly formatting the wrong card during a hasty field download) my argument would be that the OVERALL system reliability is improved, even if the chance of mechanical failure is very slightly increased.

Just for once, it could be that a cheaper system gives greater overall reliability than a more expensive one.

Hi David,

"For what we're talking about I suspect the chance of failure through human factors is much greater than the chance of failure through card failure - be that SxS or SDHC. If SDHC changes the workflow enough to significantly reduce human factor errors (such as inadvertantly formatting the wrong card during a hasty field download) my argument would be that the OVERALL system reliability is improved, even if the chance of mechanical failure is very slightly increased."

That's what really drove me forward. I wanted to have a reasonably costing solution to allow me to shoot a wedding on Saturday and Sunday without having to to a download until Monday morning.

Downloading on a Saturday night at 1am felt like Kevin Bacon in Apollo 13, when asked what the big "NO!" on a piece of paper covering LM separation button was...

JIM LOVELL
- What is that?

JACK SWIGERT
- Oh... I was getting a little punchy and I... I didn't wanna cut the LM loose with you guys still in it.

Once it's deleted.... don't like to think about it.

Before the EX1 or EX3 came out, you were using tape. Assume you had a Z1 for 3 years. How much tape did you use during that time, and what was the total cost for all your hdv tapes? I'm sure it would have exceeded the price of SxS cards.

If you can look at the situation this way, the Sony cards aren't as expensive as you think, in the long run. Plus they will always perform flawlessly at every setting.

Ross, it'd be great to have more options that keep the EX1 door closed. Please let me know, and do post here, when you have your adapters commercially available.

In the meantime, what would be the advantage of your adapters vs Delkin (http://www.amazon.com/gp/search?ie=UTF8&keywords=B000M5U8KU&tag=mo7iescom-20&index=electronics&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325), which also allows EX1 door to close, reportedly?

Thanks.

In response to Perrone Ford,

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/969673-post1108.html


My point was that looking through this entire thread, we are seeing people hacking bits of memory cards, can't shut the door, error messages etc. Given that you (others) have just spent £5000 - £6000, or whatever that translates to in dollars. I am surprised that you are spending so much time and effort in trying to avoid buying the media which is custom made for the camera.

I agree it is totally overpriced, but surely your time and expertise has to be worth outlaying the extra cash.

Someone made the point that the film industry has always had problems, tape snarling, film breakage, hair in the gate, etc. I agree, and that is why I have chosen the tapeless option. What I don't want is a new problem to add to the now redundant list, i.e. Error messages in the middle of a shot, or cards that stick out on a damp day.

Keep looking for the ideal solution, I hope you find it, or better still write to Sony and put pressure on them to bring their sxs price down.

Good luck

Respectfully - Vincent

My point was that looking through this entire thread, we are seeing people hacking bits of memory cards, can't shut the door, error messages etc.
I believe the talk of error messages is to do with attempts to find out which cards work and which don't. The ones that don't give error messages, so they just don't get used.

Hacking bits of memory cards never struck me as a good idea. So just don't do it, the only downside then becomes the door doesn't properly fit on an EX1, and no problem at all on an EX3. Is that such a big deal?

I also don't think Sony are charging an unreasonable amount of money for the cards, given their performance. It's just that most people would be happy with a lower (whilst still adequate) performance most of the time. Just as most lunchtimes a MacDonalds may be quite good enough - you don't eat at a expensive restaurant every lunchtime, do you? If the cards become cheap enough to own enough for an entire shoot, is the absolute download speed so important anyway?

Ross - I like the Apollo story! I'm also reminded of the one about the WWII bomber that gets quoted in industrial psychology examples as an example of how NOT to design a system. Apparently the same style lever was used both for flaps and undercarriage, presumably the company thought "why bother producing two designs when one will do fine for both?" I don't know how much extra it would have cost to make the levers different shapes, but I suspect it was a tiny fraction of the amount put into making the engines etc as reliable as possible. If you were the accident investigator, would you put the inevitable crashes down to pilot error, or poor design?

I also don't think Sony are charging an unreasonable amount of money for the cards, given their performance. It's just that most people would be happy with a lower (whilst still adequate) performance most of the time. Just as most lunchtimes a MacDonalds may be quite good enough - you don't eat at a expensive restaurant every lunchtime, do you? If the cards become cheap enough to own enough for an entire shoot, is the absolute download speed so important anyway?

OK, McDonalds is cheap and cheerful, but knowing what goes into the food so I avoid going in. No, I don't eat in expensive restaurants every day of the week, although I will not think twice about taking a client out for lunch in one. I certainly wouldn't think of taking my client into McDonalds, especially if they are spending a lot of money on a production. The same is true for shooting with "Economy" cards - your clients should be given the best at all times, even if it does mean extra investment in hardware.

I think we may be in danger of going round in circles here, so I am going to make this my last post on the subject.

Now, where are the creative threads? :-)

I own 4 16GB Sony SXS cards, I shoot Mostly Corporate meetings and events some of my shoots are 8 hr multi-cam shoots. I was ready to buy 12 16GB SanDisk SXS cards at a cost of ($8400) before discovering SDHC. I purchased 12 of the Kensington Readers, 10 SanDisk 16GB cards, and 2 Transcend 16GB cards. I have shot four corporate events and two short films with this combo with no errors. I do not use the cards for Over cranking. With the money that I have saved, I pre-ordered two Canon 5d Mark II's. I think the quality on the SanDisk Cards is great, I also do still photography and I have never had a problem with any of my SanDisk cards or Transcend. Also SanDisk did help Sony Develop the SXS cards so I would think their quality control is pretty good. I have also talk with Sony Reps about the alternative media and shared the data with them the last time we talked the rep informed me that all the data had been forwarded to their marketing department. The SDHC combo may not be for everyone, but I am sure glad I discovered it.

I never thought that discovering that SD cards would work in a cheap kensington adapter would turn in to such a monster thread that seems to be going round and round in circles.

Alister
I think what we're seeing is pretty natural for this forum, just the size of the thread represents the number of interested parties in this topic.
I believe the cycle of events goes something like this -

1) wow! the EX1 - great quality - low price!
2) is this the next best thing? - HVX v EX1!
3) uh oh - cmos vs ccd, backfocus, battery boards, caveat!
4) red! scarlet! D90! D5ii!
5) P2 vs SxS! (aka more HVX v EX1)
6) the camera works, people! just shoot it! it's just a camera!
7) need more memory! V1.11!
8) hey look! cheap memory! Kensington! SDHC!
9) uh oh SDHC - no overcrank, boards stick out, caveat!
10) SxS prices! good Sony! Bad Sony!

I think it's not the same people going in circles, just more people joining in.

Anyone tried the Transcend 150x SDHC Class 6 card?

http://www.transcendusa.com/Products/ModDetail.asp?ModNo=147&LangNo=0

Anyone tried the Transcend 150x SDHC Class 6 card?

Welcome to Transcend Website - 150x SDHC Class 6 (http://www.transcendusa.com/Products/ModDetail.asp?ModNo=147&LangNo=0)


Yes, overcranked up to 48 i think.
Not much faster, lot more money.

I'm using the normal transcend class 6 16gb. No problems.


Paul.

Ross, it'd be great to have more options that keep the EX1 door closed. Please let me know, and do post here, when you have your adapters commercially available.

In the meantime, what would be the advantage of your adapters vs Delkin (http://www.amazon.com/gp/search?ie=UTF8&keywords=B000M5U8KU&tag=mo7iescom-20&index=electronics&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325), which also allows EX1 door to close, reportedly?

Thanks.

Hi Alex,

The card we are about to release will be functionally similar to the Delkin card, although I haven't actually laid eyes on one.

The main difference is that it will sell for less, there won't be any shortage as the first batch will be 4000 units. One of the reasons I went ahead with this design was the cost of the Kensingtons. It cost more for the freight than the card to users outside the US. One online seller actually quoted me twice the cost of the card in freight!

It's great that there are more alternatives to Sony SxS, with the Kensington, Delkin, and now our card. One of the reasons I bought the camera in the first place was that Sony promoted the camera as using non-proprietary cards unlike P2. The implication was that I could buy the cards from anywhere. But it quickly became apparent, that was not really the case.

Will your adapter be available in the US locally?

Before the EX1 or EX3 came out, you were using tape. Assume you had a Z1 for 3 years. How much tape did you use during that time, and what was the total cost for all your hdv tapes? I'm sure it would have exceeded the price of SxS cards.

If you can look at the situation this way, the Sony cards aren't as expensive as you think, in the long run. Plus they will always perform flawlessly at every setting.

As a matter of fact I did use a Z1U for the last 3 years. I bought Sony tapes at $2.35 each. About $50/month, approx $1800 total for 3 years - basically the cost of (2) 16GB SxS cards. Except that either the client paid for the tapes in the end (and own them) or the tapes are on my shelf - very inexpensive acquisition archiving. I can't hand over an SxS card for that kind of money, and my clients would crap if I added $1800 to the invoice for "Media."

Will your adapter be available in the US locally?

Hi Alex we are looking at that, but only if the delivered price can be kept under the Kensington/Delkin.

very inexpensive acquisition archiving. I can't hand over an SxS card for that kind of money, and my clients would crap if I added $1800 to the invoice for "Media."

You can hand over DVD-Rs with MXF files converted by ClipBrowser. I made one submission to a network that way.

Will your adapter be available in the US locally?For North American folks, as previously mentioned, I'm talking to a U.S. company about an adapter. So there will be more than one available option depending on where you are in the world.

Hi Alex we are looking at that, but only if the delivered price can be kept under the Kensington/Delkin.

I have tried the Delkin adapter before purchased from Fry's electronics got change media error this is one on the first adapters that I tested but it was with a patriot card. I decided to go back to Fry's and try it again same thing change media error the card did not fit inside the adapter it stuck out even further than the Kensington. They must have revised the design have any of you guys tried the Delkin.

Brian, there seems to be a version 1 and a version 2 (the one needed for the EX1).
However, I have not yet found a hint how to differentiate those two version.

Edit: Just read in the other forum that the older Delkin reader has the Delkin Device logo on the front and the SDHC card does not insert flush (above called version 1).
The new Delkin card reader does not have the logo on it and the SD card DOES mount flush (above called version 2). That's the one and
only that works with your EX 1. Thx GB.

Ok thanks the box is exactly the same could not find a model number. but I see what you mean about the logo going to return this one today. I will check to see if Fry's has this version.

I believe this is other Delkin Card.

[QUOTE=Rob Fiedler;970266]I believe this is other Delkin Card.[/QUOTE

Thats the pic from the box same pic is on the version one and version two box you will have to look at the actual card.

Brian, so when ordering, say, from Amazon - how do I know which version will i get??

I think the best thing to do is order direct from Delkin. I have ordered but have not received
my card yet.

Expresscard Multi-card Adapter (http://www.delkin.com/products/adapters/expresscard34/6in1.html)

I just picked up another Kensington 7 in 1 card @ the Marietta Georgia Micro Center store. I had heard some of you west coast EX-1 users had some luck @ Micro center in the past.

I just happened to go to their website, punched in the 7 in 1 information and what do you know, up pop,s a card in my area.

Picked it up for $39.99. Now i have 2. I see no reason to purchase anymore. As i have 4 Sony SxS cards in the 8 gig flavor and 2 Kensingtons and 2 -16 gig Sandisk sdhc cards, i think i am set for my style of work and market.

The open door issue on the EX-1 for me at least is a non- issue. I use a 2 inch piece of (Black paper gaffers tape) to avoid any foreign matter from entering the card area.

In the future, as long as the 2 Kensington cards work properly, i will just buy SDHC cards.

got sandisk ultra 2 ...shaved it about mm and now i''m able to close the ex1 card door.
As mentioned before here..its possible to-do..also sandisk faster i think than some other cards (almost 50fps overcranking)

Raul