I read there's no real progressive. Why is that? I don't understand their passion with interlaced video. Canon consumer cameras have real progressive, right?

And the prices are through the roof, the FX7 was a good buy at $2500, this FX1000 should be no more than $3000, being already expensive at that.

I don't do weddings, events and such, my main interest is short movies and commercials, I thank god RED Scarlet showed up.

Interlaced video is still a useful way to increase resolution with limited bandwidth, and the Canon HDV cameras aren't technically "true" progressive cameras (effectively yes, but not literally).

The list prices are a little high but no more so than the FX1 and Z1U at launch, and especially after allowing for four years of inflation. The FX1000 in particular could set a new standard for affordable low-light HD recording, which has been an ongoing concern with cameras in this price range. If the feature set and price don't meet your needs there are lots of other options to choose from, so no worries there. We'll see how "Scalett" fits into all this when it's finalized and shipping.

CF recording...ahhh...can't wait. Hate dumping tapes.

...the Canon HDV cameras aren't technically "true" progressive cameras (effectively yes, but not literally).Actually they do indeed produce progressive video. Final Cut Pro and other NLE applications use their standard 1080p24 and 1080p30 capture settings for Canon Frame mode. The software can't detect any difference between Canon Frame mode and progressive scan video because there isn't any difference -- as far as the software is concerned, Canon Frame mode is progressive scan. The software doesn't fall victim to marketing hype.

The problem with implying that one particular method is "true" is to imply that other methods are "false," and that's not the case here. There is nothing false about Canon Frame mode -- it is indeed progressive scan. When two or more methods produce identical results, one method can't be more "true" than the other. "True" used to be an absolute term which these days has unfortunately been beaten down to an obscure abstraction by a lot of marketing hype. We strongly suggest not buying in to marketing hype. Look at the results instead: Canon Frame mode is progressive scan. Hope this helps,

Does anyone know if these two cams use the "new" Sony back-illuminated CMOS image sensor Sony announced on June 11, 2008 Sony Global - Press Release - Sony develops back-illuminated CMOS image sensor, realizing high picture quality, ne (http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/200806/08-069E/index.html)

Actually they do indeed produce progressive video. Final Cut Pro and other NLE applications use their standard 1080p24 and 1080p30 capture settings for Canon Frame mode...

Thanks for jumping that Chris, I was about to post the same thing. If anything it sounds like the FX1000 records 24p the way the hv20/30 does, no flags.

Does anyone know if these two cams use the "new" Sony back-illuminated CMOS image sensor Sony announced on June 11, 2008Sony Global - Press Release - Sony develops back-illuminated CMOS image sensor, realizing high picture quality, ne (http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/200806/08-069E/index.html)

I doubt it, I think it's the same paired down version of the EX1 sensor the Z7 uses. I think it's too soon for a back illuminated cam from when the info was released.

One think about sony's marketing is they will make sure you and everyone knows when they're shipping back illuminated cameras. They will yell it at us.

Any idea what the lux rating will be on the FX1000/Z5?

Will it be just as good as the Z7 in low light?

everybody seems to think that the new compact flash recorder is a good thing, but it is to forget that Sony offer since a long time the equivalent device with a hard disk.
the DR60 is a better value for your money , since it cost today 999$ (same price as the CF recorder) , got 60gig hardisk included (no CF card included with the other recorder).
both are accepting video from a firewire feed and are about the same size.
So except if your camera as a good fit with the CF flash recorder, the hard disk version is still a better solution.

i might be wrong, but with the DR60, all the files had to be transcoded, with the CF
recorder, they do not. Or are they both drag and drop now? Hell, it thats the case,
a couple of DR60s is all one needs

i might be wrong, but with the DR60, all the files had to be transcoded, with the CF
recorder, they do not. Or are they both drag and drop now? Hell, it thats the case,
a couple of DR60s is all one needs

It all depends on your editing application.
If you used FCP, there was many problems (since FCP can edit m2t files) using Log and Transfer with the Sony Plugin for FCP. So when you transferred files, they all had to be transcoded.

But since ClipWrap arrived that isn't even necessary, as all yo hvae to do is drop your m2t files into ClipWrap, and they will be re-wrapped in a QT HDV wrapper. This is a huge timesaver, and negates the need to have to rely on the Sony plugin to function properly in FCP.

Now if you use other NLE's such as Premiere Pro, Vegas, Edius, Avid, it's as simple as drag and drop and edit.

I prefer the CF recorder, as I have the ability to swap out cards, and don't have to worry if my hard drive will get filled up during a long shoot. Also the CF recorder is much lighter than a hard drive recorder, plus no moving parts.

Does anyone know if these two cams use the "new" Sony back-illuminated CMOS image sensor Sony announced on June 11, 2008 Sony Global - Press Release - Sony develops back-illuminated CMOS image sensor, realizing high picture quality, ne (http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/200806/08-069E/index.html)
That press release talks of:
......a back-illuminated CMOS image sensor (pixel size: 1.75µm square pixels, five effective mega pixels, 60 frames/s....
which tends to make me think that in HD terms, a 5 megapixel sensor is going to be a Bayer sensor, with approximately 3000 pixels horizontally. Makes sense, should give a good 1920x1080 final image, equating reasonably well to three 2 megapixel sensors. In that case, with 1.75um spacing, my maths would imply a sensor size of about 1/4".

I suspect that we'll initially see the technology in consumer, rather than prosumer cameras. It's almost hinted at later in that press release:
Conventionally, consumer digital video camcorders and digital still cameras have been required to ....

So except if your camera as a good fit with the CF flash recorder, the hard disk version is still a better solution.
Not necessarily. With the CF recorder, you can shoot, take the CF card out (give to someone else if necessary) put another card in and start shooting again. Maybe the first card might be kept as a backup for a week or two, then formatted for reuse. I also suspect the CF recorder may have a faster boot up time than a hard disk version.

i might be wrong, but with the DR60, all the files had to be transcoded

That depends on your edit platform, the utility released for the mrc1 works with the dr60. For example info fcp it just transcodes my footage to prores right away.

Hell, it thats the case, a couple of DR60s is all one needs

There that's why people weren't as excited about the dr60. I don't think anyone likes moving parts and I definetly think people don't like a capacity limitation.

CF cards are cheap, buying a few isn't bad at all and new sizes are always coming out. In half a year or whatever when 64gb cards are readily available the dr60 will have nothing on the mrc1. You can't change the hard drive, or pass it to another shooter, or to an assitant for offloading.

The mrc1 frees you from those restrictions.

Edit: Damn I didn't see Michael's reply, he basically nailed it. One exception though the sony fcp plug is crazy quick for me, I don't fell like I'm waiting.

can't waiting for the HVR-MRC1K compact flash unit for my XH-A1.

HVR-MRC1K (http://www.sony.jp/products/Professional/c_c/hdv/products/hvr_mrc1k/index.html)


Sony Product Detail Page - HVRMRC1 (http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/product-HVRMRC1/)

man, i know he wants to sell me a camera :-). I still want one, but I don't want to
give up CCDs. How will the recorder work? will it require a firewire cable on older
cameras? I wish someone had some closeup pictures of the connectors.

Scott it will work with the older cams I have tried it with an FX1 and a canon V30 Its the same unit thats on the Z7. From a design point and cost point they would not make two different units. The unit has two parts the unit itself and a base which has the firewire connection.

NICE! seeing you have it on an EX1, hell, I might just go for one of those
and then add this baby to it. sheesh, this business is a money pit :-)

I have the Z7 with the memory card recorder and would like to use it with another camera. What is the best way to physically attach it to another camera?

I have the Z7 with the memory card recorder and would like to use it with another camera. What is the best way to physically attach it to another camera?

I would use the shoe mount on the Cam. I am using my dr60 hard drive shoe mount.

here is one that may work see link.

Ikan | SM101 Camera Shoe Mount | SM101 | B&H Photo Video (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/469247-REG/Ikan_SM101_SM101_Camera_Shoe_Mount.html)

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/attachments/sony-xdcam-ex-cinealta/6342d1203642866-xdcam-ex-compact-flash-recorder-xdcamcf1.jpg
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/attachments/sony-xdcam-ex-cinealta/6343d1203642889-xdcam-ex-compact-flash-recorder-xdcamcf2.jpg

Guys, thanks for all the info! Scott, nice to see you here bro! One question and it may have been posted already, but how is the battery life on that with a standard battery???

Thanks! i have to have a new place to hang out when I spend money, BUT, i think
I am going EX1.

NICE! seeing you have it on an EX1, hell, I might just go for one of those
and then add this baby to it. sheesh, this business is a money pit :-)

If you do remember it can only work with the ex1's SQ modes, not HQ mode, for that you need the EX1 hard drive unit.

...except if your camera as a good fit with the CF flash recorder, the hard disk version is still a better solution.

There are more exceptions. The CF recorder+media is less expensive, if you need to be able to record more than 60GB without offloading to another device, like perhaps for a weekend camping trip for example. If you need the reliability of solid state recording, the CF recorder is a better solution, like perhaps for shooting from a moving vehicle on rough roads for example.

There are more exceptions. The CF recorder+media is less expensive, if you need to be able to record more than 60GB without offloading to another device, like perhaps for a weekend camping trip for example. If you need the reliability of solid state recording, the CF recorder is a better solution, like perhaps for shooting from a moving vehicle on rough roads for example.

And Do not forget the cheaper Lexar 8gb SSD cards will work in sp mode on the EX1...
I am Thinking about purchasing the Z5 as a third cam. I am sure the price will be at least $600 or more in the US lower than Sony retail.

Here's an FX1000 article at B&H:

SONY'S HDR-FX1000 BREAKS THE MOLD | B&H Photo Video Pro Audio (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/find/newsLetter/HDR-FX1000.jsp)

Here's an FX1000 article at B&H:

SONY'S HDR-FX1000 BREAKS THE MOLD | B&H Photo Video Pro Audio (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/find/newsLetter/HDR-FX1000.jsp)
Not much there that wasn't already shared.
But I did find it interesting that Sony is going to re-introduce the FX7 at $1,999.

Maybe the announcement and release of the FX1000 was the real reason that Sony took the FX7 off of the market.

All in all the FX1000 looks to be a great camera, but not enough for me to upgrade all of my FX1's to FX1000's. But possibly pickup a FX1000 to add to my FX1 lineup. Then if I like, swap out my FX1's for FX1000's. Then call it a day for purchasing cams for the next 5 years or so.

Ho, ho, ho, the FX-1000 is going to fly off the shelves this Christmas! Low-light HDV + progressive shooting modes at US$1,999! This looks like Sony's full-on "real" replacement for the venerable old VX-xxxx series! That's exciting.

Ho, ho, ho, the FX-1000 is going to fly off the shelves this Christmas! Low-light HDV + progressive shooting modes at US$1,999! This looks like Sony's full-on "real" replacement for the venerable old VX-xxxx series! That's exciting.

Hey Michael it was a misprint on the B&H site they corrected it to $3,199. I was to excited wen I got the email from them this morning thinking $1,999 I ma buy a couple. Then they corrected it and I might still get 1. Who knows. It looks like quite a camera, I wonder when Canon will upgrade their XHA1, time will tell.

Oh rats. Well hopefully it will still come down in price, when it finally goes on sale.

Hey Michael it was a misprint on the B&H site they corrected it to $3,199. I was to excited wen I got the email from them this morning thinking $1,999 I ma buy a couple. Then they corrected it and I might still get 1. Who knows. It looks like quite a camera, I wonder when Canon will upgrade their XHA1, time will tell.

Sorry I meant to say that the FX7 was being introduced at a low price of $1,999.
You are correct in saying that the FX1000 will be $3,199.

Sorry I meant to say that the FX7 was being introduced at a low price of $1,999.
You are correct in saying that the FX1000 will be $3,199.

Hey Michael my post was to Michael Wisniewski you didn't say anything wrong at all. Your post is correct.

It is available for pre-order at B&H starting today. $3199, very close to a XH-A1.

Sony | HDR-FX1000 Handycam HDV Camcorder | HDR-FX1000 | B&H (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/581316-REG/Sony_HDR-FX1000_Handycam_HDV_Camcorder.html/BI/12/kw/APMMWLQ/BI/12/kw/APMBP24S17/BI/1332/KBID/1751)

...the cameras from Sony's consumer division have historically offered either HD or 24p, never both. The FX1000 breaks that mold, dropping the FX1's CineFrame mode for true progressive-scan 1080/24p and 30p...

For that to be true (molds broken), I'd want 120 fps and true progressive recording , and I'd want it to be smaller , and all for the same price - whoops - guess I'm talking about the Scarlet . Sony and Canon and the rest better pull their knockers out 'cause if Scarlet delivers , then these types of cameras being touted as the digital cinema vanguard , will be for news gathering folks only. They just don't want to give us the whole pie at once - that's the problem. The want to piece meal out the advances one at a time so we'll , over the long haul , buy more cameras .
So it'll be left to companies like Red , and maybe Nikon and Olympus to give us the tools of the future.
I am however more interested in the cf/firewire recorder .

Any idea what the lux rating will be on the FX1000/Z5?

Will it be just as good as the Z7 in low light?

"Other new features include increased low-light sensitivity (down to 1.5 lux)"

Yipee!... Better low-light sensitivity than the FX1/Z1...

The US press release for the FX1000 and Z5U. It includes retail prices for the Z5 and the optional MRC1.

http://news.sel.sony.com/en/press_room/consumer/digital_imaging/camcorders/high_definition/release/37215.html

"Other new features include increased low-light sensitivity (down to 1.5 lux)"

Yipee!... Better low-light sensitivity than the FX1/Z1...

I bet the 1.5 lux (Auto Gain, Auto Iris, 1/30 Shutter) so 1/60 shutter will be 3 lux just like the Z7U.

I sure hope they don't retire the Z1 since it is CCD and that equals no rolling shutter artifacts.

You must be thinking of the EX series cameras on the rolling shutter thingy. We ran our tests on the Z7U the minute we got it and unless the flash/strobe is directly in the line of fire in the lens AND within 4 feet . . no rolling shutter. Even then, unlike the EX exactly 7 frames were affected all three times it happened out of over 100 flashes from all sorts of still flash cameras including the pro photographer. We had an awful time trying to get it to happen.

So the Z7U isn't the rolling shutter problem camera, that appears to be exclusive to the EX series of CMOS :o)

Oh and those drulling over the MRU1 . . it is everything that it appears to be AND MORE. We actually start digitizing our other two cameras (non Sony) footage "on location" with the spare Z7U at the reception through the firewire and playing back while recording with the MRU and walk in with digitized media :o)

if only the fx1000 came with XLR inputs at that price or the Z5U had a real servo lens, then i'd really cringe to want one of them.

if you cruise the EX board, seems the new firmware has resolved some of the rolling
shutter issues with the EX.

So the Z7U isn't the rolling shutter problem camera, that appears to be exclusive to the EX series of CMOS I'll bet the reason for this is due to their Z-series camcorders using a form of pixel offset (the ClearVid chips), which their EX series don't have.

Anyone know if the "microphone" input is mini jack or xlr on the fx1000? How about the z5u?

The mic inputs are Stereo Mini on the FX1000 and XLR on the Z5.

Speaking of the Z5, the North American model Z5U
has finally made it onto the official Sony site:
http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/product-HVRZ5U/

. . . Speaking of the Z5, the North American model Z5U
has finally made it onto the official Sony site:
Sony Product Detail Page - HVRZ5U (http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/product-HVRZ5U/)

Wonder what the street price will be? At that list price, one can add a few bux and get a Z7U from B&H, I did.

If this was XLR selectable inputs AND under 4000, like closer to 3500 or so, I'd get two of em to work side by side with my z7u on tv shows.

Wonder what the street price will be? At that list price, one can add a few bux and get a Z7U from B&H, I did.

If this was XLR selectable inputs AND under 4000, like closer to 3500 or so, I'd get two of em to work side by side with my z7u on tv shows.
I wouldn't hold your breath for that price.

The FX1000 is going for $3,199 and is considered the prosumer camera of the two.
The Z5U should come in somewhere around $4,500 or so, without the CF recorder.

Anyone know if the "microphone" input is mini jack or xlr on the fx1000?

The mic input is situated underneath the LCD base... Different from the FX1.

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn113/Madhawk1/IMG_40663.jpg

I wouldn't hold your breath for that price.

The FX1000 is going for $3,199 and is considered the prosumer camera of the two.
The Z5U should come in somewhere around $4,500 or so, without the CF recorder.

wow, with the z7u at just a little over 500 more at b&h who'll not get the rest of the money for a removable lens, xlr, mru, etc. heck the mru has to be worth that much alone!

The mic input is situated underneath the LCD base... Different from the FX1.

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn113/Madhawk1/IMG_40663.jpg
Well, that puts it in a horrible place for those of us wanting to use XLR adapter boxes.
I much preferred the mic input down low. This prevents a 1/8 cable from interfering with the lens barrel adjustments.

Although from a mic mounting standpoint I understand why they would place the mic port up high near where a mic would be mounted.

wow, with the z7u at just a little over 500 more at b&h who'll not get the rest of the money for a removable lens, xlr, mru, etc. heck the mru has to be worth that much alone!

I am not sure I understand where the $500 difference comes from. B & H has the Z7U at basically $6500. If the street price of the Z5U comes in at $4500, that is $2000 difference. They both have xlr's and the same size CMOS. The Z7 comes with the CF card recorder ($940 option for the Z5, available in Oct.). And the Z7 does have interchangeable lens capability. But the Z5 now boasts the widest lens offered on this class of camera and it is also a 20x zoom. And according to what I have read, the Z5 has slightly improved image processing which is supposed to deliver a slightly better image and slightly improved low light capability with less noise. So is the interchangeable lens worth $1000+ extra especially when you consider the improved image processing of the Z5? Tough call, for sure. For those on a limited budget, the Z5 seems to be a pretty attractive package.

I am not sure I understand where the $500 difference comes from. B & H has the Z7U at basically $6500 . . .

Actually, go check it out at B&H again. If you look just under the price $6,499 it says "Add To Cart For Lower Price" and when you click that snazzy little link, the price changes to a $5,399 which is not that far away from what all are saying the Z5 is gonna be. For the Z5 without all the Z7 "bonus" features it will have to be under $4000 to interest me.

Cool. I stand corrected.

Cool. I stand corrected.

hey i only know because i bought mine in the last month or so :o)

Ho, ho, ho, the FX-1000 is going to fly off the shelves this Christmas! Low-light HDV + progressive shooting modes at US$1,999! This looks like Sony's full-on "real" replacement for the venerable old VX-xxxx series! That's exciting.

I'd be happy if it was $2K...
A shame Sony pricing scheme is not that generous.

Anyone know if the "microphone" input is mini jack or xlr on the fx1000? How about the z5u?

The question is...
Is this mini jack going to be clean or it will be full of interferences like the one on the FX7?

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/all-things-audio/127865-interference-like-hiss-when-using-minijack-connector.html