Hi guys, well we've finally completed our most recent project called At Confession. I've received a TON of advice and help on this forum and I am greatful that this community is available to assist people interested in filmmaking. Thanks especially to Ken Tanaka, Charles Papert and Simon Orange who really helped me in a big way.

Here is the link

http://www.fusionarena.com/ac


A little info about the film. We shot it over a weekend last June. The equipment used was a Canon XL1s, 16x manual lens, Arri Fresnel Lights, and a Sennheisser ME66 Mic. Shot in 16:9 frame mode, edited on Premiere/Canopus DVStorm, and a bit of color correcting in After Effects.

It was my first attempt at lighting and I still have a lot to learn. A lot of the lighting was a last minute run and gun operation. I'm still a newbie to field and post audio as well so there may be some sound issues on different speakers. Hopefully all is well. I'd appreciate any feedback (positive or negative) or questions anyone may have.

Thanks!

Since I'm reasonably inexperienced, take any of this with a grain of salt!

I liked the way the piece looked. I thought it was lit well and felt the background music fit perfectly. I figured out the story pretty early on, but it was interesting, none-the-less. I thought the sound was good.

My only thoughts of concern would be:

1. Some shots maybe should have been on a tripod - I saw camera movement when showing some scenes in the church.

2. At first glance, some of the opening scenes were cut a little too quick for my taste!

3. What he 'found' was cleared up in the end, but I felt a closer shot of 'it' would have been a little better.

Just opinions. Overall, I thought it looked really good. Congratulations.

Dear Brad:

Your film has high production values. Wonderful. Better than anything I've done to date. It has ambiance. It has a moving story (infidelity). The locations were awesome, the acting good and the camera work was good (although I agree with Mark that a tripod might have been a good idea only because the frame movement came to attention and when I realized it had nothing to do with the story it detracted).

One question: how did you get to used a copyrighted short story? Did you actually buy the rights? I would love ot know because that is the road I will take next.

Thank you for your movie. I am in good company and you motivate me to continue my own projects. Keep it up.

thanks guys!

Yea about those shakey shots, we didn't use a tripod in the church and I wish I would have. Believe it or not, the shots were actually much worse than what they are now. I used SteadyHand software to try and stabilize them and it worked a bit, but not completley. Lesson learned: when using the manual lens, mount it! The lens is very unstable, especially at the telephoto end. :)

Mark, thanks. I agree with all your suggestions. I also feel the beginning is cut together too quickly. Reason why we did that was because we needed to time it out with the music, but now that I look back, I'd rather have not cut between shots so quickly.

Hugh, as far as the original short story we used, I was searching online for short stories in January. I came across the author's website and saw one of his stories. That story is basically the final 30 seconds of the movie. I decided to take a chance and email the author (H. Stanbrough) and tell him I was interested in filming the concept. He was very happy about it and was willing to let us take his idea and expand it however we wanted. His only requirement was a credit and for me to keep in touch with him on the film's progress. We spent the next few weeks kicking ideas back and forth. I really couldn't have asked for anything more from this guy. I'm glad we decided to ask him because you'd think most people are going to say no, but I think a lot of writers would love to see their short stories filmed. Though I imagine it get's more difficult when you're trying to clear the rights to a well known story from a famous author.

That was a powerful short. I love endings like that, where you don't know what to expect until the very end.

I guess I was too involved in the story to notice any shakey shots because I don't recall seeing any. The shot with the plane flying over was fantastic! The parallel storytelling was good too, I liked how the narraration was a slightly different story than the images we saw.

That's great that you got to use the short story! I agree with you, I think a lot of authors would love to see their stories come to life like that, especially if it's as well done as yours was.

I like the story too and think you did a good job at everything. I especially liked how the movie on your page loaded quickly and played smoothly. That doesn't always happen. I would have liked to see a dialogue scene between the husband and wife, but thats just me. I enjoyed it. Congrats. Hope I can do as well on mine.

Nice job. My only complaint that hasn't been addressed yet was the bedroom scene. I felt like they were sleeping on a futon or something but maybe that's just me. My favorite shot had to be the plane shot as someone else said. Nice work.

Ecellent job! It took an unsuspected twist at the end for me. How did you mic the actors in the booths with the ME66?

Good stuff. That was great. I thought I knew what was going to happen about half way through, but that didn't happen. :D

The only thing I would of liked to see, is him actually getting shot, full with blood special effects and a bullet hole, and a nice dolly/zoom shot of him lying in the corner dead, instead of the sound and going to white, but thats just me.

The lighting on some of the shots looked great also, mainly the confessional booth shots.

Thanks for all the constructive criticism guys. Any and all feedback is always appreciated as I think it makes us all better filmmakers in the long run. The way the confessional scenes were mic'd was from below using a boom. Yes, I do agree the bedroom scene could have used a nicer bedroom. Next time we won't be using that bedroom again. The tripod is a good suggestion for future similar shots we'll be doing, We'll try incorporating a steadicam to add some movement. We just don't happen to have one at the moment.


Thanks again! And keep your comments coming! :)

Hi guys, thanks again for the comments. Yea regarding the mics in the booth, we had to mic them from underneath as Steve said. Reason why we did this was because the boom up high was creating some bad shadows and we didn't want to change the lighting setup.

Though I would highly recommend against this technique unless you really have to do it. The mics really should be placed above the actors at an angle, and since they were underneath, we had a lot of sound problems to contend with. Every time the actors breathed out through their nose or mouth, the mic picked it up in a very bad way and I had to go in and delete all that in Cool Edit. It also picks up more clicks and pops in the actors voices than when you mount the mic from above. We recorded all the narration/voiceover for the whole movie that same day in the booth in our house. The woman who lived in the apartment above was stomping around in her high heels on her hardwood floor. Since the mic was pointing up, that sure didn't help. Along with cars driving by outside, it was a major headache recording the sound but we eventually got through it.

The booth basically consisted of a barbecue grill as a screen, a wooden border, and some tall wooden planks which we stained. There's actually only one side of the booth, we just had the actors switch around and changed the lighting setup between takes. Building the booth ourselves instead of using a real booth allowed us to practice different lighting setups the week before the shoot.

That's pretty interesting about the booth. It reminds me of my only short (not nearly as good as yours!). It was set during The Depression and had two boys sneaking into a funeral home to touch a dead body. I had to build a coffin from scratch for the scene. Four sides of plywood with an oak veneer tacked to the front, stained very dark. No bottom and no body either! It sat on a table so you couldn't tell.

For the lid, I hinged it, but only so it would raise only about 1-1.5 inches. I did this because I didn't want anyone to see that nothing was in it, so I stained the first two inches or so of the inside, so that when they opened the coffin, you didn't/couldn't see the white plywood!

In the scene, the boys close their eyes to "listen" at the coffin and the undertaker comes in and slams the coffin closed, scaring them out of the room. As I didn't want the boys to have their fingers smashed, I had to put a black knob on the lid so they could hold on to it! The things you think of at the last minute!!!

Anyway, the coffin is one of the first things I built during pre-production and it sat on my Mom's back porch for nearly two months! What the neighbors must have thought!

Great job on the short again. I did enjoy it.

haha that's a good story Mark. Do you have the short online?

Nah. As a first attempt, it wasn't too bad, but there are many mistakes that I would prefer to keep to myself!!! I had some very experienced individuals that helped me with the piece. If these people had not volunteered, it could have been more disasterous!

Nice short indeed. I agree with tripod as well. Use it more often :)

Did you color correct any of this? I personally would have given it
a much darker look I think.

Good job!!

<<<-- Originally posted by Mark Moore : That's pretty interesting about the booth. It reminds me of my only short (not nearly as good as yours!). It was set during The Depression and had two boys sneaking into a funeral home to touch a dead body. I had to build a coffin from scratch for the scene. Four sides of plywood with an oak veneer tacked to the front, stained very dark. No bottom and no body either! It sat on a table so you couldn't tell.

I'm interested in seeing this short too. Sounds like a good concept. Sounds like you put a lot of hard work into building the coffin. 2 months! Sounds like our story building the confession booth.

first off i should say that i loved the short...nice little twist at the end. i have a few questions:

one. how were you able to film in the church? did you have to rent it? let them see the script? if so how did they let you bring i gun in there or let you film a story about merder in there?

two. how were you able to get the preistly uniform i guess you could say? did you buy it?

<<<-- Originally posted by Steve Franco : I'm interested in seeing this short too. Sounds like a good concept. Sounds like you put a lot of hard work into building the coffin. 2 months! Sounds like our story building the confession booth. -->>>

It was actually based on a short play I had written. I thought it had potential, but as a first short film, I successfully screwed it up! I should clarify something - It sat on my Mother's back porch for two months - I was building it "part time" after hours! It looked kind of cheesy in life, but it showed up pretty well in the short!

I used one of those cheapo OFFICE DEPOT-folding tables and taped this black plastic skirting around it that I bought for $1.99 from a Party Supply Store. Then I placed the coffin right up against the edge of the skirting show you couldn't see the table top. In the video, the skirting looked a little like satin!

There are a couple of stills on this page (site in progress!):

http://www.scooterproductions.com/html/stills.html

(Sigh). The things you can get away with in video/film!

Super job Brad,

All the ingredients seemed to mix very well to produce a very entertaining short movie. It conveyed his despair and emptiness nicely. Great twist.

<<<-- Originally posted by Mark Moore : <<<-- Originally posted by Steve Franco : I'm interested in seeing this short too. Sounds like a good concept. Sounds like you put a lot of hard work into building the coffin. 2 months! Sounds like our story building the confession booth. -->>>

It was actually based on a short play I had written. I thought it had potential, but as a first short film, I successfully screwed it up! I should clarify something - It sat on my Mother's back porch for two months - I was building it "part time" after hours! It looked kind of cheesy in life, but it showed up pretty well in the short!

I used one of those cheapo OFFICE DEPOT-folding tables and taped this black plastic skirting around it that I bought for $1.99 from a Party Supply Store. Then I placed the coffin right up against the edge of the skirting show you couldn't see the table top. In the video, the skirting looked a little like satin!

There are a couple of stills on this page (site in progress!):

http://www.scooterproductions.com/html/stills.html

(Sigh). The things you can get away with in video/film! -->>>


I saw the stills. Looks very interesting. Keep us updated on the site. :)

I enjoyed your film and liked it very much. It was very well done in my opinion.

<<<-- Originally posted by Alfred Tomaszewski :

one. how were you able to film in the church? did you have to rent it? let them see the script? if so how did they let you bring i gun in there or let you film a story about merder in there?

two. how were you able to get the preistly uniform i guess you could say? did you buy it? -->>>

We got permission to film in the church and we bought the shirt from a catholic supply company online. the purple around his neck was made from scratch.

<<<-- Originally posted by Mark Moore :

2. At first glance, some of the opening scenes were cut a little too quick for my taste!

. -->>>

Yes, in retrospect I do think the opening scenes were cut a bit too quickly. But when we were editing we just felt we needed to get the viewer to the story and not let the movie drag with too long of an intro.

That's probably a good idea. Besides, what do I know! ;)

I have all of the opinions and none of the technical expertise to back them up!!! Do you guys have a second short in the works?

<<<-- Originally posted by Mark Moore :

Do you guys have a second short in the works? -->>>

Right now we're debating between another short or a spec ad.

Our movie is now on triggerstreet.com If you are a member over there please take a look and review it. Thanks a lot. :)

Just put up "Lips 2 Lips" and "At Confession" on Zomp Film at

http://film.zomp.nl/

I think this was fantastic. At first i was amazed thinkin you had an xm2, but now realise it is it's bigger brother camera! I learnt by watching it just how important the lighting was. Heres me thinking i could do without it, but here it made the whole thing look proffesional, and real. Again all i would comment on was the lack of tripod in church, and the bed, and yea, the ring could have been made a little clearer. But mainly the first two. Looks like the makings of a good film, and certainly worthy ot the next cinema hit!

Steve, enjoyed At The Confession. Enjoyed Lips 2 Lips even more. Nice job on both productions.

Good stuff man. I really liked the quality of the streaming clips they looked very good in quicktime. what setting did you use to encode them. Also the lighting was really good. keep up the good work.

<<<-- Originally posted by Steve Franco : <<<-- Originally posted by Mark Moore :
Yes, in retrospect I do think the opening scenes were cut a bit too quickly. But when we were editing we just felt we needed to get the viewer to the story and not let the movie drag with too long of an intro. -->>>

What might of worked better is one or two shots -- exterior of church, followed by interior of church. Instead you have a series of quick shots that all say the same thing: that we're in a church.

But besides that I really liked this. I think you could have used some tighter shots of the actor's faces and props -- like in the bathroom shaving sequence and the ring in the bathroom -- but that's just my personal preferences. But you're already worlds above me in skill. The scenes in the confessional look excellent.

Truly impressive, that's an awesome short.
The only thing I don't like is the effect of the gun going off. It looks fake to me and then follows by a wipe or something. But I did watch about 9 or 10 times now, so I'm getting kind of critical.
I've used the same US Airways airplane shot on one of my vacation videos. That park's a great place to get close shots of planes coming in. Did the security people give you any trouble shooting there?

I found it to be a very great short!
Really one of the most interesting shorts I saw.
(Then again I think I haven't seen so very much shorts in comparison with a lot of people here)

Very beautiful music by the way!
And your twist in your story is superb.
Especially what the priest says before... you know what, I don't want to spoil it for people who haven't seen it.

Congratulations!

Enjoyed it. The ending was predictable during the middle of the movie imo. Great job nonetheless.

Fantastic. I predicted at least two scenerios for the ending, and one of them was the real ending, but it was still surprising. Great twist. Well done.

- Robert

Thanks for the feedback. Much appreciated. Unfortunately, we took the movie down, but it's still available to watch if on triggerstreet. Check it out if you can, and better yet give it a review. Thanks, Steve

Is it possible for you to put it somewhere so we can download it, and save it on our computer? Or do you rather don't do that, because of rights and such?

It's because I really like it, and I love to watch it from time to time, as I do with some other movies here, but it's a little bit unconvient to download it everytime to watch it.
Could you put a link so I can save it to my computer?
If you don't want to, I understand.

Thanks,

Hey Mathieu whats up, we put the film back online, the same URL as before. We took it down because we're moving servers but that hasn't happened yet. Will be the same URL when the new site is up as well. thanks for the comments by they way, good to hear!

thanks for the footage. SOme comments:

1) the shot sound in the end wasn't really a gunshot. It sounded like a cartoon gun to me. I had to laught for a couple of seconds.

2) the scene in the booth (the lighing) was warm and amazing

3) the movie takes too long. it is very static.

4) shaky footages in some scenes

5) use more colour in the inside house scenes (bathroom, bed, white t-shirt) . It looks very cold and VHS. The scene in the church. that was amazing.

6) try to add more audio effects (reverb, echo). use that for mixing scenes.

7) add mroe spice to the acting and more motion.

Very well done. Like others before said a little to fast of cuts in the opening. I would do slow dissolves between those shots.

Nice camera and production values. Even though I was right about the ending it still kept me watching.

Keep it up you can tell a story that's the most important thing about film making.

wow - inspiring! that's what i want to do with my xls1 too. btw, how did u transcode the film down to quicktime/wmedia? thanks, looks wonderful on the web.
jigs

Hi,

I just saw the film, wow, I must say, I am really slow. I didn't get the ending until I had read some posts on this forum. But once I got the ending, I enjoyed the film a lot more.

I agree, I love that shot of the plane, and especially of the main character as he was holding the roses and closing the boot of the car, I'm not sure why. Maybe it was just me, but during the whole film I didnt' really notice the 'shaking' in the church that people were talking about. Overall, I quite enjoyed the short.

Dennis

Hi there...

Yeah, I reviewed this movie on TriggerStreet on 11/11 of this year. I haven't paid a visit to this site in a month or so. Been too busy spending alot of time on TriggerStreet, thanks to Dylan Couper's suggestion regarding good websites to upload movies to.

Anyhow, check out my review. My screen name at TriggerStreet is SeaMowse. Oh, by the way, I gave you a nice review!

Thanks for reviewing the film. Glad you enjoyed it. Also thanks for the comments Dennis. It took us awhile to get the plane shot but I think it was worth it. :)

We just entered At Confession into the 50 meg contest over on

http://www.studentfilmmakers.com/news/article_321.shtml

If you haven't seen it, please give it a review over there.

Thanks. :)

Obviously the main character is not a normal human being, and suffers from mental problems. However, what person would go to confession to be clensed of their sin(s) only to commit murder immediately after to the person who forgave you? This is more a question for the original author but I would still like to hear the filmmakers and other peoples insights. To me it makes no sense whatsoever. If that person is going to confession in the first place, he has a guilty conscience - he needs forgiveness. Killing the priest would erase that entirely and I think a little contradictory. Just my two cents. Well made though, some very nice shots.

I think his primary reason was to kill the priest...
But I don't know offcourse, it's my personal opinion, maybe the filmmakers say I'm wrong.

<<<-- Originally posted by Mitchell Stookey : Obviously the main character is not a normal human being, and suffers from mental problems. However, what person would go to confession to be clensed of their sin(s) only to commit murder immediately after to the person who forgave you? This is more a question for the original author but I would still like to hear the filmmakers and other peoples insights. To me it makes no sense whatsoever. If that person is going to confession in the first place, he has a guilty conscience - he needs forgiveness. Killing the priest would erase that entirely and I think a little contradictory. Just my two cents. Well made though, some very nice shots. -->>>

I think the priest was doing his wife.
If I were him though I wouldn't have left any fingerprints behind though.

That would explain alot, and if that is so I like that quite a bit. For me though it still wasn't apparent WHY he would. If his wife did have an affair with the priest I never noticed any hints toward that being the case

Well, the main character says he wants to kill the person who slept with his wife.
And before he kills the priest, the priest clearly realises he's gonna die, realises his mistake, and says he's forgiven, because he knows - in a way - it's his own fault.