With four guys, lots of cameras, and a full time editor, I think you could be very effective as a videographer. My question is how many of you are doing weddings solo and how do you like it?

Thanks
Evan

Look up Joel Peregrine. He works alone. Always has. Uses something like five or six cameras.

Solo for me 9 out of 10 weddings. 3 cams. It sucks but few clients will pay for a 2nd person.

And I don't know of too many videographer's that make it in this biz full time by themselves either. (I'm a part-timer).

Ditto here....
Weddings wear me down pretty fast, and i'm also a part timer...
Currently, i've got too much equipment to lug around to make it a long term endeavour..

I'll eventually need to lighten up, or get an assistant until reception...

With four guys, lots of cameras, and a full time editor, I think you could be very effective as a videographer. My question is how many of you are doing weddings solo and how do you like it?

Thanks
Evan

I've shot 10 or so mostly solo. One I had to hire Travis because I just needed more cameras and I didn't want stationary cams. I use my wife for help, but (and this is not knocking her at all, God bless her for wanting to help me out) most of the time she is good for standing behind the camera and keeping it pointed at what it should record..... but it takes a special kind of mind to remember all the things that go into operating a camera correctly (like remembering to push record...... or to check the focus..... or to remember to track the bride walking down the isle by looking in the viewfinder and not watching her directly with your eyes).

Some people have what it takes to keep the head in the game. I can do it.... but I have had problems on more than one camera, so on the occasions when I shoot with two, I plan the second to be wide angles and emergency cut aways (unless it is operated by Travis, who rocks by the way).

I'm at the point where I need to train a second op to be able to go beyond the "stand behind the camera" level, and finding that right combination of skills is tough.

If I had to do solo multi-cams much longer, I would need a better smoother process, and identical gear to eliminate complications. The business of renting XL1/XL1s from an ad agency, while allowing me to expand my coverage beyond my current gear budget, will eventually had added up to an entire second unit & rigging, so at some point I'll bite the bullet and get another camera.

I've shot 10 or so mostly solo. One I had to hire Travis because I just needed more cameras and I didn't want stationary cams.

How DID that shoot go anyways? I wasn't sure if you'd gotten to the footage yet.


As for me, I don't shoot solo, I use an assistant. However, because I can't hire someone full time I constantly have to find new people to cover wedding dates, and because I don't have the same person filming every wedding with me, the level of improvement I see in my assistants over time is not very much. So, although I use an assistant for every wedding, I probably only use their footage for maybe 5-15% of the final project (mostly ceremony cuts). I kind of feel like I'm shooting solo, lol.

Solo here but I do a hire a high school student to carry my bags around, set up equipment break it down ad so forth. Once in a while he runs my safety cam when I need it because I know I'll be moving around. He started in March and I pay him $10 a hr. He is pumped making that just carrying bags around, getting phone numbers, and being paid to dance at the reception. (o_0)

Monday

I do a lot of solo weddings. Recently, paying US$8 an hour for a guy who just help me carry stuff and operate the second cam. Not a videographer but an assistant.

$8/hr, $10/hr.... I need to rethink my pay scale...

I never shoot alone mainly for my own sanity. It just helps me relax to know someone is watching the back camera & having someone lug my gear to the car gives me just a little more time to get the shot or two I would have missed otherwise.

I'm lucky enough that my wife has a video degree & I have 2 friends to choose from who I'll call in to help when she's not available who are also trained video people. $200 for someone who isn't going to mess up seems reasonable to me. You'd be surprised how hard it is to find someone who can do as they're instructed, point the camera in the right direction and keep it framed and focused properly. You wouldn't think it'd be that hard...

Maybe I should switch to high school labor... how well does a high schooler do in a professional environment? No really, I'm serious, I'd imagine kids these days would be well versed in cameras and such, and if you could find the right one, it could be some good, inexpensive labor that should get better with time.

I would say that about 1/2 of my events are solo with remote cameras for the rest of the footage.

Jon - how do you like the Grizzly system? Do you operate it while also operating your camera? I'd think this could take a little getting use to. That system always intrigued me though...

$8 an hour for someone in school is not a bad deal. Of course you can't expect a whole lot from the person. hey, that's free food and chances to meet guys or girls in those parties :)

$8/hr, $10/hr.... I need to rethink my pay scale...
Hey Ethan,


How you been? It would be a different pay amount if I had a adult working with me. I can't find any help here in Baltimore for a second cameraman less than $300 that's good. Even at $300 they suck >=( really bad. I got tired of dealing with that and high school students (the average ones are the best to get) typically make $6-$8 on any other job some make more but most not. So I went that route and boy it makes life a whole lot easier. Just like Taky said you pay them to carry equipment, monitor it, and set it up, and to eat and get phone numbers and party. They see it as a dream job, we see it as a blessing (^_^). I would totally recommend a High School student not a second cameraman but as one who can help during the day if you shoot solo.

And if you found one who's really interested into videography, you can start training the assistant to be a videographer slowly but still paying $8 an hour :)

I work by myself... gonna be difficult to do so now that I've add a stabilizer and Letus Mini to my arsenal.

$8 an hour for someone in school is not a bad deal. Of course you can't expect a whole lot from the person. hey, that's free food and chances to meet guys or girls in those parties :)

Its funny, when people post on buy sell ads like craigslist and say they are looking for people to shoot or produce something for next to free because it is 'excellent demo material' or 'great experience' we all scoff at them, yet we can pay an assistant $8 an hour and rationalize it in the exact same way they do. I'm not saying I agree with one or the other, but there certainly is an inconsistency.

Monday - been doing well, thanks again for the camera. She's working out just fine.
I know the pain of paying someone who supposedly knows what they're doing only to be very very disappointed when I reviewed the footage. In cases like that I'd much prefer to have paid a high school kid half the price I paid the other person. It's not like they could have done worse.
My wife is shooting with me less and less these days so using a high school kid who can point the camera in the right direction might not be a bad idea. Guess the 30 year old guy staking out the local schools wouldn't be a good way to go about finding someone. How did you guys find your helpers?

I found my helper at a party I did. He showed an incredible interest in learning so I took him on to do so. You can also go to high schools and talk to the TV productions teacher and ask for recommendations.

I have found that issues with second shooters are hard to avoid. I mostly work alone and have found that mostly if I point a camera at a nice wide shot and place it properly, I can count on that. I have been a second shooter and screwed up, so I know how bad it can be. We have hired an assistant through the yearbook committee at the local High School to help carry stuff and breakdown equipment after the shoot, but I'm too anal to allow anyone the opportunity to screw up my shot. Also when you do find a good 2nd shooter, what you are doing in most cases is training and funding your competition. I run alot at weddings, but at least I have control.
Bill

I've been a mostly solo shooter for about 25 years and frankly I prefer it. When I need a 2nd I know who to go to and can count on the footage.

I use 2 cams but shoot like the 2nd isn't there. Too many times it can be blocked, what if the battery craps out or something else happens to the camera.

I learned on 1 camera (couldn't afford 2 at the time) so I HAD to get it right in the viewfinder. Slow pans, zooms, good framing etc. While there are times I wish I had another shooter on some jobs (just to make sure about certain shots) I enjoy working solo and probably will until I retire. Hopefully that'll be sooner than later.

Don

How DID that shoot go anyways? I wasn't sure if you'd gotten to the footage yet.

Well after having the wonderful GL2 "eject tape" problem, and getting the cam shipped off to canon factory service, and getting it back, then waiting to decide on a cam to use as a deck, etc etc. It just took a while to get rolling.

I just picked up a Pannasonic GS320 for my "tape deck / emergency balcony" camera. So over the weekend and every evening I've been trying to get to all 11 tapes. What a backlog. And I filmed a high school graduation this weekend (first time using the GS320 with the GL2) so I have another 4 tapes to record. I only caught some glimpses of the footage from your cam of the ceremony but what I saw looked great.

(Side note, the GS320 is pretty good. 3CCD system with minimal zoom 10x but pretty good IS and some manual controls / WB. Just don't expect much compared to a GL2 and it works fine. I have not had a chance to look at the footage side by side yet though.)

Cool. Glad to hear it. Sorry to the OP for slightly hijacking the thread. I should have sent a PM to Jason. My bad.

Monday - been doing well, thanks again for the camera. She's working out just fine.
I know the pain of paying someone who supposedly knows what they're doing only to be very very disappointed when I reviewed the footage. In cases like that I'd much prefer to have paid a high school kid half the price I paid the other person. It's not like they could have done worse.
My wife is shooting with me less and less these days so using a high school kid who can point the camera in the right direction might not be a bad idea. Guess the 30 year old guy staking out the local schools wouldn't be a good way to go about finding someone. How did you guys find your helpers?

One potential helper goes to the same church and I found out she went to community college for TV production. At least that is in the right direction. Another potential shooter has her own GL2 and shoots a lot for our church missions group, so high end cam + lots of time behind it = good potential cam op.

Look up Joel Peregrine. He works alone. Always has. Uses something like five or six cameras.

But not everyone is superman. :-)

Well I haven't been doing this long, 4 weddings now with 2 approaching. The first 2 I had my wife help a bit with lugging gear about and she operated a second camera on the 3rd (plus she has this great ability to strike up good conversation with the wedding party, which always helps on the business side of things). I'm not long after just shooting my first completely solo wedding, but it needed to be done. It broke the ice in a way and now I know I can do it.
It's certainly nerve-wrecking though and mentally and physically tiring.
Plus there is so much information you have to keep track of in your head, anticipating what's next, audio, batteries, tape, small-talk you can't get away from with cousin Bernard who's had more than a few whiskies by 3pm, little logistical problems such as when you can grab a free minute to drop everything and go back and pick up the backup audio recorder before it gets...misplaced.
Then of course actually dedicating whatever's left of your brain to actually getting good shots. Or maybe that's just me.
I was hanging around for ages waiting on the first dance, the last thing I had to shoot. So I took literally 2 minutes out to move my car a little closer to the venue (ok, ok...and to have a quick cigarette). Walked back in to the first dance just finishing! Arrghhh!
But I'm sure we have all missed something and the one consolation is that I have learned from it and I know it won't happen again.
It's a fairly lonely, long old day and I find it quite easy to feel like a prize pillick as I'm carrying out practiced camera movements...you see people know what to expect from a photographer and how to act in front of a stills camera, but they not as familiar with what we do, how we go about it, or the type and quantity of footage we need.
I've also made a small discovery...people seem pretty impressed by the end of the day when they see that I am STILL there doing my thing, they do start to realise what is involved and I feel a certain respect has been achieved, especially when they learn I still have to drive for 90 minutes to get home.
Some even said I should be charging more...that made me laugh. If only everyone could see this worth BEFORE the wedding when they are searching for videographers and scoffing at the prices. Perhaps I'll bring a jar for tips next time ;-)
Sorry for rambling a bit, although coincidentally I've just looked up 'Joel Peregrine' before submitting this and found an article about our industry being undervalued due to lack of understanding. It's also pretty jaw-dropping that the guy pulls off operating that many cameras. My brain would go into meltdown...

Shooting solo can be mind melting but after you've done it for a while (a while depends on each person) you find that things at weddings all pretty much run the same at the ceremony and for the most part at receptions.

I always grab a program at the ceremony (if they have one) to use as a guide but a perfect example of things NOT going to schedule was the wedding I did last Saturday. According to the program right after communion the B&G were supposed to go to the Holy Family to place flowers. I was looking thru the VF watching and waiting for it and even saw the priest looking at the program. Guess what. He came down off the altar did the final blessing and pronounced them man and wife. He completely blew it. Luckily I was in a position to get the kiss and walk off but my mind was waiting for the flowers. Point being no matter how well planned things are things go awry. As for missing the first dance, OUCH! That's kind of important BUT in fairness the DJ or band leader COULD have and should have said to the B&G 'hey hold on 1 minute let me get the video guy, he went to the bathroom' or something like that so shame on him. I guess I'm fortunate that I know just about every DJ I work with for a long time so we kind of watch out for one another and they always keep me informed of whats going to happen next. You need to introduce yourself to them and ask them to give you a heads up BEFORE doing things like the 1st dance or whatever.
Ah well, lesson learned. You'll get better the more you do.
Frankly at this point I could probably DO the ceremony and run the DJ booth (maybe better than some I've worked with over the years) ;-)
Don

I was talking to the photographer at a different wedding and he said that what makes you a great photographer/videoographer etc. is your ability to adapt and cope with the unforseen. I guess thinking on your feet and saving a shot that was about to hit the fan counts!
There's obviously a lot more than that but I got what he was saying.
Oh, and all was not lost, I took the bride and groom aside, explained what had happened and offered to do the 'first' dance again. The groom was cool about it and even bought me a drink for my trouble ;-) Even the bride lightened up a bit, I just told her not many couples get to do their first dance twice!
Actually, one of the guys who worked at the venue very gratiously came over and apologised to the bride and groom also for not giving me a heads up, so we both put our heads on the block! I think he just felt sorry for me lol.
At the end of the day it was my responsibility, but boy will I be beating a path straight to the DJ next time!

....My lesson of the day?: Smoking really will kill you, but only cos the bride will choke you with her garter if she finds out your having a crafty cig instead of her first dance!