So, what is one to do after they have written a script....?

Sorry to be so vague but I honestly am clueless.

That depends. Are you trying to sell it or produce it?

You're really going to have to ask a more specific question in order to get any kind of valuable reponse. You might as well have said, "I have a bowl of oatmeal, now what?" Well, if you're hungry you might eat it. If you're a restauranteur you might sell it. If you're a scientist you might analyze its chemical components... There's just no way to intelligently answer a question like this without more information.

If you have no objective for your script (did you write the script? commission it? find it on the sidewalk?) then you set yourself up to get all kinds of answers about nothing at all. Please rephrase your question with your general intentions before expecting any kind of serious response.

Ask someone if it's any good, other than yourself!

Rewrite it.

Get feedback from a good script reader(s) (or people who will be tough) and then do a re-write. Writing is about the rewrite.

Once it's sharp then worry about it. Producers, directors etc., will still want a re-write, but it has to be pretty sharp (if flawed in places) to attract their attention.

haha! Yea sorry guys! I was standing downstairs thinking about my post thinking "they are going to have no idea what I am talking about..." so I came back up to be more specific..


What I meant was, I have a script, but now how do I turn it into a movie? Lets say I want to try to make this into a major motion picture. Something you'll see among movie posters at the theatres. Can someone like me (with no experience in film making), turn their script into a movie? and If so, who do I need to get on the phone with?

I honestly don't think my script is good enough what so ever but I would like to know out of curiosity.

Thanks all! and again, sorry for the confusion..
-Terry.

Again, the first question is, do you want to make the movie yourself or do you want to sell the script to a producer or studio who will make it? In other words, do you want your role to be the producer or the writer? For the first, start finding investors and raising money, take out a mortgage on your house, etc. For the second, copyright your script and register it with the Writer's Guild and then start shopping for an agent to represent you.

I was standing downstairs thinking about my post thinking "they are going to have no idea what I am talking about..."

Use the almighty Google tool to search for "script reader" or "script coach" (or similar).

If it's more of a festival short, get some people together and work towards producing it.

If you think it has more potential, get coaching to work it into something "presentable", then get an agent to sell it for you (especially if you're not "local").

George/

The studios won't even look at a script unless it comes through an agent.

You should work on short synopsis that both tell and pitch your story. At first, one page, then 100 words, 25 words, then a single line log line. Doing this also helps you work out what your story is really about and you need these to sell the script.

The studios won't even look at a script unless it comes through an agent.

Exactly, i went to a producers seminar at the Edinburgh film festival and the producer said "don't give me a script, if you came up to me and gave me a script i'd put it in the bin right in front of you".

it has to come through a known channel before they will even give it the time of day.

My suggestion is as many have said re write it so it can be shot by yourself which means no explosions , crazy car chases, locations in other countries etc etc.

if you think its not great then it probably isn't, the way i write is to imagine a crap actor delivering the line (usually all thats available to a low budget filmmaker) which means your dialogue has to be so good that even a bad actor can't screw it up...........at least thats the idea.......iv seen many a bad "actor"

look out for a film called "five across the eyes" im told it was shot for £2000 (my camera cost more than twice that!) and was picked up by lions gate and distributed, i watched it and thought oh my god how in the hell did this ever get released, it was shot on consumer cams like the kind you use on holiday. I must admit by the time it came to the end i was enjoying it.......i really recomend it to boost your confidence if nothing else....link below

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwujWACLHLY

Andy.

Exactly, i went to a producers seminar at the Edinburgh film festival and the producer said "don't give me a script, if you came up to me and gave me a script i'd put it in the bin right in front of you".



Independent producers will read scripts without an agent, but you don't send them unsolicited scripts. It helps if you some track record in the industry, theatre, or published material, so they're aware of your work, but you really need to pitch it and then if they're interested they'll ask to read it (or their readers will). Usually these are often new producers, just starting out or smaller producers, who are keeping an eye out for good material.

The larger production companies are more wary and want to work through an agent.

Rewrite it.


EXACTLY! No matter how many times it's "finished".

Some good sites for feedback are Scriptshark and Triggerstreet. Chances are other people will find details that will need to be refined...be open to criticism, it will help you make it better.

If you REALLY think it's finished, there's lots of film festivals that'll take scripts (as well as script competitions)...if it's well received, that will help open doors.

Do you want to produce it or just sell the script and have others produce it? if you want to produce it you need to find investors, not so easy, if others you need to find someone who makes movies who loves the idea and let them work on the investors. a rewrite is great, but finding money is more important and once you do it will dictate rewrites anyway. So if the script is solid go for the money and rewrite later.

Is this something you want to make on your own (your question implies a lack of experience doing this in the past). I would start by using a couple of shorts to figure out what you are doing if you want to make this on your own.

Again, the first question is, do you want to make the movie yourself or do you want to sell the script to a producer or studio who will make it? In other words, do you want your role to be the producer or the writer? For the first, start finding investors and raising money, take out a mortgage on your house, etc. For the second, copyright your script and register it with the Writer's Guild and then start shopping for an agent to represent you.

To be honest, I would actually like to be the one who puts the film together but only because I know how everything should look and feel. However, I'm not as capable as an actual producer. I want this script to become a good film, not just a low budget half assed film that I produced with whatever money and knowledge I had about film making.

Terry,

What the vast majority of people seduced by easy access to digital filmmaking tools don't understand is that building a film is about as complex an undertaking as building a house.

NOBODY in their right mind would even think of building a house without schooling themselves in the appropriate trades - such as carpentry, plumbing, electrical, etc.

They'd also need to talk to people about the administrative stuff - permits, the load-bearing nature of the walls, set-backs and easements, HVAC loads and a hundred other details that make the difference between a safe home and a fall down tomorrow shack.

Building a real movie is similarly complex.

The script is just the plan - like the blueprints for the house.

But to get good results you've GOT to have or hire solid expertise in the "trades" stuff.

Sound recording, videography/cinematography, lighting, directing actors, location surveys, and a thousand other small and large factors that are represented by all those rolling credits at the end of all good movies.

A good script. Heck a GREAT script. Is pretty much valueless until someone can actually get the REST of the stuff organized in order to make it into an actual movie.

THAT's the hard part.

My best advice: be patient - start slow - learn as you go.

Good luck.

To be honest, I would actually like to be the one who puts the film together but only because I know how everything should look and feel. However, I'm not as capable as an actual producer. I want this script to become a good film, not just a low budget half assed film that I produced with whatever money and knowledge I had about film making.

It sounds like you want to direct. However, in order to attract funders and have a producer who believes in you enough to give up perhaps 5 years of their life, you have to be able to prove you can direct a film.

Unless you've got a track record of good quality theatre directing, you need make some quality shorts to prove that you can do it. I know people that have gone on to direct a feature after one short and a few commercials, but they'd also been working for quite a few years as an art director and had attracted a producer who had the contacts to put the deal together.

The script is just the plan - like the blueprints for the house.

I'd go a step futher, and say that ath this point the script is maybe an artists' impression.

It still needs a lot of work until its a blueprint for a movie and you won't (realistically) get there unless you have experienced help.

George/

Terry,

What the vast majority of people seduced by easy access to digital filmmaking tools don't understand is that building a film is about as complex an undertaking as building a house.

NOBODY in their right mind would even think of building a house without schooling themselves in the appropriate trades - such as carpentry, plumbing, electrical, etc.

They'd also need to talk to people about the administrative stuff - permits, the load-bearing nature of the walls, set-backs and easements, HVAC loads and a hundred other details that make the difference between a safe home and a fall down tomorrow shack.

Building a real movie is similarly complex.

The script is just the plan - like the blueprints for the house.

But to get good results you've GOT to have or hire solid expertise in the "trades" stuff.

Sound recording, videography/cinematography, lighting, directing actors, location surveys, and a thousand other small and large factors that are represented by all those rolling credits at the end of all good movies.

A good script. Heck a GREAT script. Is pretty much valueless until someone can actually get the REST of the stuff organized in order to make it into an actual movie.

THAT's the hard part.

My best advice: be patient - start slow - learn as you go.

Good luck.

Bill, Thank you for your feedback!

This is something that I had anticipated. However, knowing where to start is another story and the strategy by which I should contact these people. It is probably very unlikely that I walk up to a producer and say I want to make a film and he/she listen to me, as others have said.

So, lets say after I have rewritten my script and have chizzled it down to a solid piece of material to work with...what should I do next?

the impression I get from others is that I should first write a synopsis, then get a copyright, register it in the Writer's Guild and then search for an "agent" (whos an agent..? sorry, new to this..). Then, produce a couple short films perhaps before I find an agent so that I have something to present as an example of my work as I suppose a director..

am I on the right track or lost??

Thank you all for helping me...even to those who I have not replied to, your replies have certainly been appreciated.

-Terry.

Terry, if you have a yen to become a director, for God's sake start on a short. A short short. Five pages tops. Three's better. Hire the crew.

>So, lets say after I have rewritten my script and have chizzled it down to a >solid piece of material to work with...what should I do next?

That depends on what you REALLY want to do.

From your original post, it appears you're interested nearly equally in writing - and in directing.

Both of those creative efforts are EXTREMELY hard to do at a high level.

And they aren't the same thing. There are a lot of great writers that can't direct. And many great directors who can't write. Heck, there are even excellent writers who can write one kind of thing, but can't write other things. Like novelists who can't write plays, or screenplays. Not because they can't write well. But because they can't write well IN THAT FORM.

And similarly, there are directors who can direct brilliantly for the stage, but don't understand the unique requirements of dramatic film, or comedy, or documentary.

But the path for success in each profession is pretty much the same.

It's a process of learning as much as you can by studying, talking to others, and your own critical creative thinking. Then you've GOT to start creating your own work - over and over - refining it - again over and over - until it's as good as you can make it - then putting it out for other people to judge.

And by the way, that final step is FAR AND AWAY the hardest.

Ask any successful writer or movie maker or a creative artist in ANY field what happened the first times they "let go" of creative work for others to judge.

It's ALWAYS a nightmare. And almost always disappointing. Because if you're actually LEARNING how to be good - by definition, you aren't good yet.

And your early work will reflect that.

And the critiques will be tough.

Study, refine, submit. Listen for what you can learn from the feedback that can help you be better next time. Repeat. Again. And again. And again.

If you have talent, you'll get better.

Do that long enough, and eventually you'll get to be as good as you can.

Then the market place will tell you whether that's good enough.

If you want it distilled down to the essence, here's what I'd say.

Any day you write, you're potentially getting to be a better writer.

Any day you're directing others, you're getting to be a better director.

Any day you're not. You're not.

Hope that helps.

Bill... You are a man of great wisdom. It seams that you have a great passion for film. I'd like to see some of your works.

Again, thank you.
-Terry.

So, lets say after I have rewritten my script and have chizzled it down to a solid piece of material to work with...what should I do next?


-Terry.

Unfortunately, I don't think you'll find the depth required on this subject from the extremely brief answers in a forum. This really works best when you have some knowledge and want to find out more on a single issue, rather than a broad subject.

You really need to start reading some books on the industry and find out how it operates. William Goldman's "Adventures in the Screen Trade" is a good fun read and you get a feel for how the business operates from the writer's viewpoint - if high end, a lot of the politics with a small "p" in the process still hold true today.

If you check out Amazon.com there are loads of books about filmmaking, writing screenplays and producing films. However, no one book has all the answers.

So, lets say after I have rewritten my script and have chizzled it down to a solid piece of material to work with...what should I do next?

If you intend to shoot it yourself the next step is to let others read it, people you know or whoever will listn. Keep sending your script out and in the mean time you need to start the rest of your paperwork which is every bit as hard if not harder than the script its self.

The shot list and the shooting schedule.

The shot list is exactly what it sounds like, every time the camera cuts to a new angle you have to write it down with a description.....eg "MS over shoulder, james framed right, carol five feet away looking out window framed left". This takes for ever by the way. (storyboards are best but almost pointless if you don't know the location you will be filming in)

The schedule is orginising all your shots into the most efficient way to film them given the timeframe. This means for example if you only have steadicam for two days you go through the script and make sure you get all the shots that require steadicam done in those two days. You may even only have a certain actor for a limited time in which case you have to get all their shots throughout the film. Its also about maximising your use of dolly and crane set ups for example if you set a dolly up you should get every shot that takes place at that location throughout the script so you don't have to come back....never shoot a film in order and do all the shots that require big equipment first because they take time and you need the fallback time to pick up any missed shots. In turn when you have a fixed schedule you can then draw up a call sheet for actors letting them know when and where they are required to be on set.

this will keep you busy for months which will give your script plenty of time to circulate and receive feedback.

Andy.

I wouldn't even bother doing shot lists at this stage, you're creating work and tying yourself emotionally into material that may require to be dumped or changed. Just work on story, not shots until you've got your final shooting draft.

Until you check out and settle on locations based on the shooting script, shot lists and call sheets at this stage is just fantasy filmmaking and a total waste of time, because everything changes once to find the actual locations.

Perhaps, the most you can do is some brief storyboards to help sell the project. However, to be effective, these have to be done by a good artist.

I agree, the shot list is not in your immediate future for working this script into the pre-production phase.

I also believe that one thing you do not need in order to make a movie is knowledge of every aspect of the filmmaking process. You do not need to be a carpenter AND an electrician AND a concrete moulder to build a house. You just need a plan. Other people will come in later in the process that will know what to do.

First go back through you script and look at how you describe the actions of the characters and make sure they are well-written, but also as descriptive as possible in order to give the reader as much of a picture of the scene as possible. Don't waste your time with camera shots, movements, or filmmaking details.

The Treatment (selling piece that provides the synopsis) is the most important piece to focus on next. Make it tight and engaging.

Google 'script agents' or 'selling scripts' to get a feel for the process that has been somewhat covered in here.

So, lets say after I have rewritten my script and have chizzled it down to a solid piece of material to work with...what should I do next?

I'm gonna quote his line again so there's no confusion , what he is talking about IS his HYPOTHETICAL shooting draft that you speak of not the stage he is at right now and the next step WOULD be to start pre production. And by the way your shooting schedule and shot list can addapt to any script changes you make....i know cause iv done it on features twice. Bare in mind im basing what iv said on the fact that he will be shooting it himself. And you know as well as i do that you can make the shot or some variation of it writen in the shotlist work whatever the location......unless it says " WS hawk swoops down and grabs chocolate bar and lands on taj mahal"

Lets face it Brian i don't think hollywood will be breaking his door down (could be wrong mind you, no offence Terry it could be genius you've created for all i know) , the only chance you have at getting someone to invest in your film is to be as prepared as you can so you're ready to go. I would even suggest picking a scene from the script and filming it as a promo to show investors you have it in you and setting up a website to promote the film.

being prepared is certainly not fantasy filmmaking..... the process of making a film will be much more valuable to him than the quality of the outcome. You could spend 5 years perfecting a script or you could spend 5 years making movies. I don't care how long you spend on the script, if its your first attempt at a movie its most likely gonna turn out bad (again no offense Terry, that was a generalisation)

This is low budget indie filmmaking we're talking about not mainstream....its gonna gain him real filmmaking experience not get him a house on the hollywood hills .And if you sell your script GREAT you don't have to lift a finger......i personally would use the money to fund my next script.

BTW i have no quarrels with the way these fine people make films and id certainly never call them fantasy filmmakers.......the script writing process is the fantasy part......... the production of it is reality and to produce it you're gonna need a shot list and shooting schedule which brings me back to the origional question when you have your shooting draft that is your next step.

No doubt they will find something in this post to argue with but what people have to remember is there is more than one way to produce a film and spending years on a script may be what some people like to do but not others.

Andy.

Realistically the whole project seems like a pipe dream. Now, there's certainly nothing wrong dreaming and aspiring to great film-making, but it is folly to expect in any way to enter the game at the top level.

There are precious few shortcuts worth taking. Learning the craft really cannot be circumvented. There's a reason they refer to learning a process as "paying your dues."

Terry, by all means do what you can to make your film. But do not expect that as your first writing/producing/directing/etc. project that it will receive any kind of widespread support or distribution. Flukes do happen. Blair Witch Project comes to mind. But statistically speaking you probably have a better chance of winning the lottery than you do of making a major motion picture with no practical experience.

The best teacher is experience. But without practice, and skill building you just don't have a firm enough foundation.

Best of luck.

Bill... You are a man of great wisdom. It seams that you have a great passion for film. I'd like to see some of your works.

Again, thank you.
-Terry.


I'm not sure that's very accurate. Unless by "Wisdom" you mean a simple combination of real-world experience and a bent for the analytical. I simply can't do things without trying to analyze how the process went, what worked and what didn't - and how I might do better next time.

I enjoy film a great deal. But it is NOT my passion. I am, at the heart, a journeyman writer, a journeyman videographer, and a lecturer on the process of video and filmmaking. I've owned my own video production firm for nearly 20 years. I do almost exclusively corporate work including employee training, public relations, and some pro bono work for not-for-profits.

I've been on exactly TWO major movie sets (as a visitor, NOT as paid crew) in my life. Plus, I volunteered as crew on exactly TWO low budget digital features.

That was enough for me. I found the process at the feature film level often boring, fraught with needless personality conflicts and hassles, and massively inefficient. In each case many, many hours of extremely hard work generated extremely mediocre results. It frustrated me that the power dynamics on a set dictate that there's only ONE person who even has a chance to control that - and I've watched again and again as that person demonstrated their INABILITY to do so.

As a writer, I did spend 10 years writing on deadline for a consumer video production trade magazine. That experience made me a MUCH better writer. So I know something about that process.

After all these years, I don't know why some folks have a talent for this kind of work. But I know that some do. And some don't. I can typically tell after 5 minutes of talking to someone whether they have the right kind of brain to succeed as a writer, or a director. And because I've had day after day experience hiring diverse crews and running sets in my corporate work - I can also typically spot the skills that make someone useful in many of the motion picture arts.

I understand the "passion" many folks have for the idea of making movies.

I just think that passion is often based on a flawed concept of what the process ACTUALLY is like.

That's one of the challenges with this industry. So many people get seduced by the idea that they have the ability and deserve the the power to create the story and/or direct other's work. And it IS power. But shoulder to shoulder with power is responsibility. And in the VAST majority of cases I've witnessed, someone decides they deserve to wield that power without having done the background learning necessary so that the work has a chance to succeed. And so everyone's efforts are wasted in a "film" that deserves to go precisely where it goes - nowhere.

And all too often, young digital filmmakers stop short of considering whether they have the required skills before they begin.

And like it or not, these skills are HARD to come by. The right combination of humility and confidence. The ability to rapidly deconstruct a complex process and find the flaws and fix them. INSIGHT into people, and social situations, and the psychology of human motivations. And the ability to deal with the ever-changing complexities of technology without getting TOO entranced by it's power.

I understand the desire. And I honor and acknowledge that you can't gain the experience unless you start somewhere. And anyone who starts out in this WILL be over their head at the beginning. And the ones who DO make it will overcome this reality. But I also think that there are TOO MANY people who think that they can make movies today - when they actually haven't done ANY of the prep work that will give them even a remote chance of success.

It's like thinking that the camera is what's necessary to get good shots - and being oblivious to the fact that the camera is incidental - and in fact it's the trained brain BEHIND the camera that does that.

A final thought...

We often say that good filmaking is good STORYTELLING.

So how many REALLY good storytellers do you know? Personally.

Are YOU a really good one? DO your friends and collegues ask you to tell your great stories all the time? Do they WANT to hear you explain things?
Are YOUR stories the ones that make people laugh? Or cry? Or think about the underlying meaning of what you're saying to them?

If so, GREAT - you're on your way to becoming a good writer or a good director.

But if that's NOT your life experience - you're probably not going to be a very good scriptwriter or director. At least not yet.

BTW, My apologies for being so long-winded, but hopefully at least some of this is useful to others - and as a long-time writer - I'm not really satisfied unless I'm actually writing SOMETHING. And since my last two videos have been scripted by others, sI seem to be "jonesing" for more keyboard time - these days.

In fact let that be a warning to you all.

Teach yourself to do this stuff - and you'll have to deal with the fact that your life won't feel "right" unless you're doing it every damn day!

being prepared is certainly not fantasy filmmaking..... the process of making a film will be much more valuable to him than the quality of the outcome. You could spend 5 years perfecting a script or you could spend 5 years making movies. I don't care how long you spend on the script, if its your first attempt at a movie its most likely gonna turn out bad (again no offense Terry, that was a generalisation)

This is low budget indie filmmaking we're talking about not mainstream....its gonna gain him real filmmaking experience not get him a house on the hollywood hills .And if you sell your script GREAT you don't have to lift a finger......i personally would use the money to fund my next script.


Andy.

True, being prepared isn't fantasy filmmaking, also, in reality are most scripts won't get made into films. However, you do need to invest a lot of time getting a feature film script together and poor films tend to be underdeveloped films.

The five years that a producer could be involved not only includes the shooting time, but the year or two working on the script and getting the production funding, plus all the work after production is finished dealing with the legal stuff that keeps coming back. They could spend many years getting the funding in place. A year or two is worth investing in a feature film script - that's pretty average by the time the process is finshed.

He was mentioning the getting the script made with a reasoniable budget, rather than low budget.

Oh, one thing, given that Terry mightn't know this, make sure the script is correctly formatted, otherwise they won't even start reading it. People do hand in scripts in all states, including handwritten and not having it correct looks unprofessional and given a big pile of scripts in front of them, a reader will just move onto the next one if it's not correctly formatted.

Brian is so right about the formatting. It has to be perfect, or it gets tossed. The script also has to be great, or it gets tossed. In fact, every page has to be great. What they are going to do is glance at the first page to look at the formatting, and then flip through it. If every page they flip to is compelling, they'll read it. If not, it gets tossed.

you know i'll be back to comment when im not seein double....good luck children.......yeah....good tip don't drink when your filmmakin.....its good fun just not that productive. sorry folks listn to his post... he's right you know ......don't make a film.....whatever .....i'll keep doing it....who really cares

Andy,

you know i'll be back to comment when im not seein double....good luck children.......yeah....good tip don't drink when your filmmakin.....its good fun just not that productive. sorry folks listn to his post... he's right you know ......don't make a film.....whatever .....i'll keep doing it....who really cares

Andy,

There's a world of difference between making films basically for yourself and the process that Terry was hinting at in his original when he asked about having his script made into a film with a decent budget. In the latter case, you have to attract other people to your story so much that they want to run through hoops with it and that is often a frustrating business with many a bloody nose from hitting those brick walls.

I wouldn't stop anyone wishing to make films, but to progress to larger budgets you do start dealing with these people. Time spent on shot lists, call sheets and shooting schedules is better spent re-working the script, those other processes kick in during the pre-production stage rather than the development stage.

From their experience British Screen, who used to fund script development in the UK, found out that of 200 well written professional scripts only 1 had that something that would make it successful.

OK Brian , im hungover....scottish or brittish screen are not filmmakers ...in fact they are no where near filmmakers, they are infact the anti christ....belive me i'm not just an un experienced idiot with an opinion.

Brian i love the romance of filmmaking as much as the next ill informed person that wants to make a film but to be honest they have no chance.

You need money, a good hi def camera , a good script and lets say talent ....why not . im even gonna have a burgger van on set for a month with free food for cast and crew ...these are the problems of an indie filmmaker not the script

if you want to know how i deal with it have a look here.....picking the scene and filming it that i suggested.....and im happy with the feedback. theres behind the scenes pics and everything.....the live digital link is busted by the way, pick the high rez download....and btw i got rid of the crapy writing at the end.....good user feedback.....they told me it was s@@t, and they're right

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=108226

K im gonna go into the foetus position now and watch scrubs on line.......wot a program

take care

Andy.

OK Brian , im hungover....scottish or brittish screen are not filmmakers ...in fact they are no where near filmmakers, they are infact the anti christ....belive me i'm not just an un experienced idiot with an opinion.



I agree that they are or were (in the British Screen case) just funding organisations with their own agendas. You have to have made some films even to get on their radar. I wouldn't call them the anti christ... I know too many line producers to call them that. However, you do have to go through that mile of s*%t from the Shawshank Redemption getting yourself to some sort of profile that appears on their radar.

All these organisations are like that and you do have to dig deep into your own pockets at times. However, as a filmmaker, you have to know how to work these organisations, just like any other business looking for seed money.

However, I would say that the British Screen percentage isn't far off. I know one drama producer who was sent 400 scripts, none of which were suitable to be optioned.

Sorry, didn't get a chance to look at the promo, the file is pretty large and unfortunately I didn't have time to download. Good luck with that, I've been there making films (16mm in my case) without any funding.

Lol, cheers brian, you should download it sometime id like your opinion....leave it downloading some day........and dont judge me on the acting, we're gonna get american or canadian actors for the film its self.

Anyway poor old Terry is probably put off filmmaking for good..... i'll put the nail in the coffin.......even if you get funding for your script youll get shafted by the distributor and investors :) they need to get every penny back before you make any money.....the only worth while thing you get out of the deal is a nice shiny imdb page and the chance to work again which in my opinion is a great thing.

good luck Terry

Brian is so right about the formatting. It has to be perfect, or it gets tossed. The script also has to be great, or it gets tossed. In fact, every page has to be great.


Come on, you'd think it was brain surgery or somethin.......schindlers list was a great movie, the god fathers were great........then they made XXX 2, i mean that was made for millions.......theres a list as long as both my arms of terrible films made for millions, why do the indie films have to be "perfect".....i'll settle for a straight to dvd deal no probs.

You need to stop thinking about hollywood and red carpets and premiers cause it just doesnt happen unless your one of the top elite.....or just lucky. fortunately you can still make films and make a decent living.....eventually

I think i mentioned on page 1 of this post about a film called five acros the eyes........watch that and tell me again about perfecting your script.

Come on, you'd think it was brain surgery or somethin.......schindlers list was a great movie, the god fathers were great........then they made XXX 2, i mean that was made for millions.......theres a list as long as both my arms of terrible films made for millions, why do the indie films have to be "perfect".....i'll settle for a straight to dvd deal no probs.

You need to stop thinking about hollywood and red carpets and premiers cause it just doesnt happen unless your one of the top elite.....or just lucky. fortunately you can still make films and make a decent living.....eventually

I think i mentioned on page 1 of this post about a film called five acros the eyes........watch that and tell me again about perfecting your script.

I'd say one thing about a good script, it attracts the talent and the names help to sell the production. Sure there are terrible films that sell on the basis of the DVD cover art work, but I don't think most people here want their films to be one of them.

Writing a script mightn't be brain surgery, but writing a great one can be as demanding as any other high end skill. However, there's a point with anything when it's good enough for the purpose in hand and you can make regardless of the flaws. Fortunately, good actors can rescue things to some extent - common enough on quite a a few TV dramas.

Re-writing isn't perfection, it's just making things better.

I agree that a good script will attract good actors however most actors (at least the ones iv dealt with) don't have the vision of what your trying to make......i bet cat woman sounded like a good idea to halle berry, how could she have predicted that that film would have been s@@t.

Which kind of brings me back to the shot list and shooting schedule......during this horrible process you become so involved with the film that you know every shot inside out. You NEED that kind of intimate knowlage of your film to direct and inspire others and to just know your getting everything you need.

As Frank said anyone on here that expects their film to make it to the big time is seriously livin in the clouds. I would love to have a film in blockbuster that only gets hired cause of the art work......by the time they've seen it and said "that was s@@t" they've already rented it and paid the money!. Its realistic filmmaking, im the type of guy that would rather have ten un succesfull films and one straight to dvd film than a perfect script, no experience and nothing to show for it. Every time you make a film you get better thats why you just do it script be damned and eventually you will make good films. The trick is staying in the game.

Andy.........hangovers gettin better by the way :)

I agree that a good script will attract good actors however most actors (at least the ones iv dealt with) don't have the vision of what your trying to make......i bet cat woman sounded like a good idea to halle berry, how could she have predicted that that film would have been s@@t.

Which kind of brings me back to the shot list and shooting schedule......during this horrible process you become so involved with the film that you know every shot inside out. You NEED that kind of intimate knowlage of your film to direct and inspire others and to just know your getting everything you need.

Andy.........hangovers gettin better by the way :)

Glad the hangovers are improving.

I think actors are more interested in the characters and their relationships within the scene, plus how that fits in the story and the character's overall arc. Most actors aren't that interested in shot lists, only how each shot relates to their character, how they portray them and making sure they hit their marks.

I would get the full story onto the page, then do the breakdowns once it's locked into the shooting draft. You can often sense the shots from how the action slugs are written, but doing the actual shot list in the middle of script writing is taking your eye of the ball when you, as the writer, should be "inside each character's head" or "listening to their voices". Once that's sorted, the shot list just jumps out, because you then know what you need to see in order show the story beats and to tell the character's stories.

On course the actors will have their own take on the characters and that's why casting is so important. You want actors who bring that extra something.

If a film is going to be good or bad is 80% decided before the shooting begins, when the scripting, casting (including the crew members) are put into place.

I think we're both on the same page, its just when he asked what the next step was he was talking hypothetically when his script is ready which is why i said start pre production........i think Terry's tuned out lol.

Hello again, Brian i see your a steadicam op (i googled you :)), me too, noticed there is a jump from like 1979 to 2005 or somethin.......do you still work? if so it would be good to know your rates cause i don't know if im gonna have the time to do it myself on our next film.

Early doors at the moment.......lol we're at the shot list and shooting schedule stage ;).



Andy.

Hello again, Brian i see your a steadicam op (i googled you :)), me too, noticed there is a jump from like 1979 to 2005 or somethin.......do you still work? if so it would be good to know your rates cause i don't know if im gonna have the time to do it myself on our next film.

Early doors at the moment.......lol we're at the shot list and shooting schedule stage ;).



Andy.

Steadicam is one of things I do. Yes, I still operate - booked for a job this coming week.

LOL Not everything is on the internet.

Bill,

I think now that my comment was based more upon the fact that I see your thought processes closely related to mine.

He was mentioning the getting the script made with a reasoniable budget, rather than low budget.


True.. I would like the script that I have written be produced by someone who is better able to do a good job than I am.

Oh, one thing, given that Terry mightn't know this, make sure the script is correctly formatted, otherwise they won't even start reading it. People do hand in scripts in all states, including handwritten and not having it correct looks unprofessional and given a big pile of scripts in front of them, a reader will just move onto the next one if it's not correctly formatted.

Yes, I printed off the script for Robin Hood Prince of Theifs to format my script. I find that most every script begins with FADE IN:

Lol, cheers brian, you should download it sometime id like your opinion....leave it downloading some day........and dont judge me on the acting, we're gonna get american or canadian actors for the film its self.

Anyway poor old Terry is probably put off filmmaking for good..... i'll put the nail in the coffin.......even if you get funding for your script youll get shafted by the distributor and investors :) they need to get every penny back before you make any money.....the only worth while thing you get out of the deal is a nice shiny imdb page and the chance to work again which in my opinion is a great thing.

good luck Terry


Thank you Andy! You sound like you were out of your mind drunk. You should have been with me last night haha.

Well I'm not entirely discouraged by this thread, however it has made me reconsider my approach to making this film. I do understand that no one is just going to give you money to make your film. I agree that sometimes people get into a fantasy world thinking that "oh I can make films, that looks so easy, all they did was bla bla.." For this reason, is why I get on here asking questions so that I can shed some of the misconceptions I may have about the film making process.

BTW. I like the idea of the shot list. It is something to consider which I appreciate tremendously because this is something that I wouldn't learn about if someone with experience didn't bring it up. However, I imagine on larger budgeted film sets, isn't there a person who goes out to search for sets...say a forest scene or a street scene etc..? I would think that the person who does that would also write up a shot list..

BTW (again..) I wasn't tuned out, I just work during the day, come home read everyone's posts and by that time I'm doseing off. Not because its boaring haha, but because I'm so tired.

Yesterday I found my begining scene for a short film I want to make. Everyone was telling me that making a few short films would be good practice... I don't know if anyone else does this...but normally I will listen to music and imagine scenes...

Recently I have been reading the script of a movie while watching it. I printed off the script for Braveheard and just watched it a few days ago. I do this to get an idea of what is necessary to consider when making a film. However I do understand that from paper to film, the scene changes considerably.

Andy...I am STILL downloading this damn promo video!! how big is it? haha

Yes, I printed off the script for Robin Hood Prince of Theifs to format my script. I find that most every script begins with FADE IN

I don't think anyone is trying to discourage you but there is a lot to learn out there...

You wouldn't believe me if I told you how important formatting is and I can't blame you to not know about the idiosyncrasies of proper industry formatting. Read this: StorySense - Script Format Guide (http://www.storysense.com/format.htm). Actually, spend a day reading everything on their site.

..and then some...
You don't have to have your finger on the Hollywood pulse to know that studios are in "sequel & franchise" mode. Not in the least because any feature requires a 25M marketing budget nowadays (US Domestic only!).

So even a low budget feature that only cost a couple of million to make, needs some serious boxoffice to recoup the markeing that's tacked on.

If I recall correctly Robert Rodriques' "El Mariachi" only cost 50K to make (on spec), but when it was picked up it was 2M to finish. No idea what the marketing was back then. I could be off some on the exact numbers, but you get the point.

Off course it was remade in Desperado (and D2) with some starpower attached to actually make it profitable.

Even A-list writers have it hard selling their spec scripts. It's a who-knows-who business and unless you can show it will make money, like if it has a frachise or A-list actor/actrice attached, they are going to turn you down.

Any reason for turning you down is basically what they'll be looking for even when they've agreed to look at your script (or more likely synopsis). Just your log line not being strong enough will be enough to skip over you. Or improper formatting...

BTW. I like the idea of the shot list.

My advice is to leave anything to do with production alone and concentrate on getting your script to be the best it can be and then try to get it out there.

If you set your goals high (and why not) you need an agent and it will be just as difficult to get them to read anything.

Don't spread yourself too thin, but look at other ways to get your ideas and stories out there. Write more of them, get them published, work with other creatives to produce them. It will all help you to build a network, possibly a career.

I'm not a big fan of script competitions or sites for publishiing your scripts (like InkTip) but there are some successes there.

If you feel adventurous the Writers Guild of America (http://www.wga.org) publishes a list with Guild Signatory Agents and Agency (http://www.wga.org/agency/agencylist.asp). You can send query letter to them with the log line and a synopis asking them if they want to read the script.

George/

Hey George, thanks for the feedback. I honestly do intend on focusing on my script as a primary objective but my original question was what should I consider after I have a solid script. People have said rewrite and honestly I am in the process of doing so. However, I was simply interested to know what I need to consider after I believe that there is nothing else to add to my script and am ready to try to start the journey of making it a film.

The comment about the shot list was just an appreciation of some experienced insight.

Again, thank you.
-Terry.