Hello everyone!

I'm an event/wedding videographer in New Zealand and have been using 2x PD170's coupled with a "run-and-gun" VX2000 for several years - very comfortable with this winning combo but have felt the need to move to HDV - or at least a widescreen upgrade.

After attending many launches in the past, including a disappointing Z1 launch (immediately noticed the low-light performance) and the EX1 launch (nice - but too heavy for extended handheld) I was impressed by the Z7 and have just taken delivery of one and are currently testing it out during the winter months. (Keeping those PD170's just in case I panic)

I guess there are a lot of others in my position so thought I'd share my experiences.

First off - it's a daunting upgrade - the camera is a SERIOUS piece of kit. It's kind of like Darth Vader scary. Feels solid and professional and will take some getting used to - but I'm determined to adapt.

The VX2000 was a nice low footprint size and great to use in locations which required discretion, ie: hiding in brides closet, formal photo shoots etc. The Z7 is far more chunky and quite a bit heavier, but I've found removing the beefy lens hood, microphone, and tucking the viewfinder away does reduce the size significantly and lets you squeeze into tighter places (closets!), jump down on the ground and keep you nice and mobile for run-gun situations.

Visually, it looks fantastic on tripod and the assignable buttons all over the camera and conveniently placed for right-hand control (near zoom rocker) is really well thought out.

Normal Sony MiniDV tapes seem to work perfectly fine with no dropouts. Haven't tried CF card yet.

I am keen to test it's low-light performance because that what the PD-170s ruled at - got some fairly dimly lit churches around town... will post updates.

No focus or lens issues at all so far - I think it's a shame that people have decided to avoid checking this camera out based on Marshall Levy's experiences - when it's quite apparent his courier had used the camera box for a football.

I'm off this afternoon to a local wildlife park to get some footage... will post on Vimeo and let you know how it goes.

PS: I just picked up my PD-170 after having the Z7 in my hand for a couple of hours - it feels like a plastic toy!!! :)

Hello everyone!

I'm an event/wedding videographer in New Zealand and have been using 2x PD170's coupled with a "run-and-gun" VX2000 for several years - very comfortable with this winning combo but have felt the need to move to HDV - or at least a widescreen upgrade.

After attending many launches in the past, including a disappointing Z1 launch (immediately noticed the low-light performance) and the EX1 launch (nice - but too heavy for extended handheld) I was impressed by the Z7 and have just taken delivery of one and are currently testing it out during the winter months. (Keeping those PD170's just in case I panic)

I guess there are a lot of others in my position so thought I'd share my experiences.

First off - it's a daunting upgrade - the camera is a SERIOUS piece of kit. It's kind of like Darth Vader scary. Feels solid and professional and will take some getting used to - but I'm determined to adapt.

The VX2000 was a nice low footprint size and great to use in locations which required discretion, ie: hiding in brides closet, formal photo shoots etc. The Z7 is far more chunky and quite a bit heavier, but I've found removing the beefy lens hood, microphone, and tucking the viewfinder away does reduce the size significantly and lets you squeeze into tighter places (closets!), jump down on the ground and keep you nice and mobile for run-gun situations.

Visually, it looks fantastic on tripod and the assignable buttons all over the camera and conveniently placed for right-hand control (near zoom rocker) is really well thought out.

Normal Sony MiniDV tapes seem to work perfectly fine with no dropouts. Haven't tried CF card yet.

I am keen to test it's low-light performance because that what the PD-170s ruled at - got some fairly dimly lit churches around town... will post updates.

No focus or lens issues at all so far - I think it's a shame that people have decided to avoid checking this camera out based on Marshall Levy's experiences - when it's quite apparent his courier had used the camera box for a football.

I'm off this afternoon to a local wildlife park to get some footage... will post on Vimeo and let you know how it goes.

PS: I just picked up my PD-170 after having the Z7 in my hand for a couple of hours - it feels like a plastic toy!!! :)

Thanks for the post John. I too have a Z7 and really like it so far. Keep us posted and be careful to not confuse the ring by focus that you can pull back or push ahead. This is not a manual focus setting, but it will over ride anything quick. I believe some people, while not admitting it, have had this ring in the wrong position and had many focus issues. Good luck. I am shooting a wedding tomorrow with mine and will post results.

Bruce

No focus or lens issues at all so far

Have you used the lens in Auto Focus? That's what everyone is complaining about... (Well, some people are.)

Have you used the lens in Auto Focus? That's what everyone is complaining about... (Well, some people are.)

If I may chime in, I have had the Z7 since it came out and I really can't see any auto focus issues. Once light is very low it is a different story, but that was the case with my PD170s as well.

Bruce

Have you used the lens in Auto Focus? That's what everyone is complaining about... (Well, some people are.)

Seems like a lot of people out there who don't RTFM! Focus is fine, just a few settings to watch like having the ring set correctly and turning Macro Focus off.

Check my results today... following the rhino was auto, and also the ducks at the end... see any problems?

http://www.vimeo.com/1025194

So, this was just a few test shots at a wildlife park down the road. Very impressed still, no focus issues. Shooting manual makes you think (and learn) a lot more.

I guess I should have been shooting in 25 progressive - instead I shot 1080i and converted to progressive on export. Will try some shooting in progressive next.

http://www.vimeo.com/1025194

So, this was just a few test shots at a wildlife park down the road. Very impressed still, no focus issues. Shooting manual makes you think (and learn) a lot more.

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I wonder what would of happened if you had zebras turned on when you shot the fifth scene...
Ok,ok sorry. :)

Hi guys. OK, just had the pleasure of filming the last wedding of the season (winter in New Zealand now) with the Z7.

Things went very well. For those who are considering moving from the PD170 or VX2000, here are some observations.

(1) It’s heavy. You will need big hands and strong arms to handhold this during bridal prep and formal shoots. It really is a tripod camera. OK for a little while like outside church with mingling guests, but after about 2 minutes I was struggling a little. During the bridal prep it seemed a lot more “cumbersome” than a small, light VX2000 that I’m used to running and diving around things with.

(2) The ND filter knob is annoying. Loved the ND on PD170, the Z7 is an awkward little twisty knob – something I’ll get used to no doubt.

(3) When dual recording to tape and Transcend 133x card, you’ll have problems if start/stop/start recording rapidly because card still trying to write data when you hit start. It’s fine for extended recording and doesn’t skip a beat. To tell the truth, I would probably just use tape for weddings and CF for corp shoots.

I’ve posted a small sample here… www.vimeo.com/1164002

Password = crampton

As it was a first time shoot, there is not much fancy camera work – just the basics. The first ceremony shot (coming down stairs) is a rented FX-7. Raw footage from the FX-7 was noticable darker than the Z7 but corrected ok in post. All other shots are Z7. I had some tricky light to contend with (window behind, and dim staircase) but the camera handled it nicely.

The formal shots around the lake were so sharp and crisp that I had to apply plenty of soft treatment because it looked “too real”.

Overall I’m VERY impressed with the camera… in fact, love it to bits! I’m hoping Sony are working on a replacement for the FX-7 that has CF-card, better low-light specs, and small and light like the VX2000 so I can use that for my run-gun cam.

Beautiful! Is the slow-mo done in the camera or in post? What music is that?

BTW: tested the Z7, that I have since a week now, and no focus-problems whatsoever. Beautiful piece of equipment, and although heavier, much more in balance when held in one hand than my XH-A1.

much more in balance when held in one hand than my XH-A1.

Luc, How does the Z7 hold up against the XH-A1? There is quite some price difference between the A1 and the Z7 and I wonder if it is really worth the extra investment?
How do both camera's compare imagewise and in lowlight situations?

I intend to upgrade to hd by the end this year and still am keeping all options open, I thought the added memory-recording unit was a great addition but that is something you can buy separately for other camera's that normally record to tape only. Only Sony did a great job in the way they implemented it.

Luc, How does the Z7 hold up against the XH-A1? There is quite some price difference between the A1 and the Z7 and I wonder if it is really worth the extra investment?
How do both camera's compare imagewise and in lowlight situations?

I intend to upgrade to hd by the end this year and still am keeping all options open, I thought the added memory-recording unit was a great addition but that is something you can buy separately for other camera's that normally record to tape only. Only Sony did a great job in the way they implemented it.

Noa,

the XH-A1 is certainly not a bad camera, but the Z7 is in another league. When you see it, it is immediately clear that Sony has a vast experience in producing professional ENG-stuff. The handling is more intuitive, the chosen materials and solutions are stronger (for example,
6-pin firewire and pro ND-switch), and the balance of the Sony is much better. That said, I don't see much difference in image quality. The Sony is somewhat softer without tweaking, but the Canon has it's typical magenta cast. The CF-recorder is a charm: put the card in the reader and in no-time you're busy editing. I didn't make a thorough comparison in low-light yet. Disadvantages: the Sony is heavier, costs more and the manual is in (weird) English only. I was very surprised by the fact that the 'extended zoom' works so well, there's no way it compares to those 'digital zooms' that you get on consumer cams!

Bonjour Luc!

I was wondering if you could comment a bit more about the extended zoom -
One of my concerns about the Z7 over some of the cannon options is the 12x vs 20x reality

I know we can change lenses but the reality of that seems like it's still a bit up in the air -
or at least another $1000 that I don't have having just dropped the cash for this camera...

my 10 megapixel panasonic still camera does a great job of 'adding zoom'
by sacrificing some of the resolution -
fine when you have 10 megapixils to work with
but a bit more dicey when you are cutting out the resolution in HD -

I assume it works the same way though - but you seem pleased with the results - no?

any other thoughts?

thanks
Jamie

Hi Jamie,

I didn't expect much of the 'extended zoom' as in most camera's there's a visible pixelation as soon as you use it, but I recorded some critical images yesterday with maximum zoom + extended, and I did not notice any difference in sharpness. So it compensates for the 8 times less zoom compared to the Canon XH-A1. I also ordered a convertor ring for Nikon mounts and I should have that next week. I'll let you know how that works, if I find a good second hand 100 or 150 mm Nikon lens (I had 14 of these babies, but sold them when I converted all my photo equipment to Canon last year - aaargghh). I see your camera arrives next week: you'll love it!

will there be a Canon converter for this camera? Or is it only going to be Nikon
and Sony?

I wish they would, but it'll be Nikon only for the time being. I checked with the people who make the Nikon adaptor and they told me it's impossible to make one for Canon. There's not enough space, apparantly. Too bad...

oh well. older F mount manual focus lenses aren't too expensive to get.

oh well. older F mount manual focus lenses aren't too expensive to get.


yep, that's a fact. Hundreds of them around and even a prime 200 mm 2,8 (which becomes a 1400 mm on the Z7) is not expensive in this older series

Beautiful! Is the slow-mo done in the camera or in post? What music is that?

Hi Luc - slow mo is just a simple speed change to 50% in Adobe Premiere CS3. CS3 seems better at slowmo than previous versions. I got flickering in CS2 and had to use After Effects Time feature - slower but removed flicker.

Song was track 11 off the BraveHeart CD. The bride chose some terrible music (Bee Gees - Dolly Parton eek) that almost wrecked the video - but hey, if that's what she wants - she's paying!

John,

Superb colour, loved the shots and the dramatic music, but hated the zooming out on almost every shot. It looks like the viewer is trying to get away from the scene. There must be a deep hidden meaning in this, are you divorced or had a some bad experience?

You don't have to answer this John, your work is superb.

John,

I REALLY hate to be picky....but I agree with Vincent, IF you had used slow zooming IN I think it would be much better than the all the zooming OUT (easy tweak in post). That being said, the images were beautiful and show a lot of creativeness on your part - really excellent. BTY, my best friend here in England is originally from Invercargill, South Island (which he calls the Ar%e end of NZ!)

Great info in this thread for someone like me who uses a PD150 a lot and is about to get a Z7.... so keep the thoughts and clips coming!

I promise to post something with my Z7 (when I eventually get it in the next month or so) and then you can tear my clips to pieces as well (hmm, I mean constructively comment about). :-)

Hi Luc - slow mo is just a simple speed change to 50% in Adobe Premiere CS3. CS3 seems better at slowmo than previous versions. I got flickering in CS2 and had to use After Effects Time feature - slower but removed flicker.

Song was track 11 off the BraveHeart CD. The bride chose some terrible music (Bee Gees - Dolly Parton eek) that almost wrecked the video - but hey, if that's what she wants - she's paying!

Thanks for the info, John.

I agree with Vincent, IF you had used slow zooming IN I think it would be much better than the all the zooming OUT

Hi Andy & Vincent - yeah, fair comment. It's a nasty habit I've got into shooting handheld. If you zoom into subject, lock focus and exposure, then zoom out slowly (reveal shot) then it smoothes out any handheld bumps. Trouble is, I know I overuse it but actually prefer a reveal shot to a focusing (zoom-in) shot. Trying hard to get a mixture and balance of each!

my best friend here in England is originally from Invercargill, South Island (which he calls the Ar%e end of NZ!)

Oh yes! It's horrible down there. I passed through Invercargill years ago and was raped 18 times... BEFORE I even got out the car! Was only there for 15 minutes!!!!

Here is some recent Invercargill news: http://www.stuff.co.nz/4583639a11.html

Woohoo - my Z7 clips have just been accepted for sale at AlwaysHD!

Here is the link to my clips:
http://www.alwayshd.com/search_resultPUB.php?Contrib_ID=1680

Tiger is my favourite!

wow -

that tiger is remarkable!

thanks for sharing!

jamie

Hi Bruce - no, seemed really easy. Just apply - upload good footage, add keywords, they decide the price, make the thumbnails etc, then give you 50% commission if a clip is sold.

The guy that owns it talks in this podcast about it all:
http://72.41.38.10/shows/thedvshow060108.mp3

Yep, really stunning stock footage John and a very interesting site it's on. As for that Invercargill story..... least said about that the better!

John,

Superb colour, loved the shots and the dramatic music, but hated the zooming out on almost every shot. It looks like the viewer is trying to get away from the scene. There must be a deep hidden meaning in this, are you divorced or had a some bad experience?



Haha. This made me laugh.

But, i think the tempo of most of the dissolves and the zooming is way too fast. Imho, it should be much slower to catch the overall feeling of both the music and the wedding.

And i agree. The video made me feel something is wrong with the bride instead of thinking that she is very happy and that this is the moment of her life. The shot on the bridge made me think she is still all alone in this world. And i miss some real good close ups of definitive moments, like -the kiss- or the expression on the face when he slides the ring on her finger.

Anyway. I don't mean to bash. Just giving my opinion. :)

..... dissolves and the zooming is way too fast.... should be much slower..... made me feel something is wrong with the bride..... made me think she is still all alone in this world..... i miss some real good close ups....... Anyway. I don't mean to bash.

Good grief man!

John,
I noticed that the camera seems to have problems with overexposing the whites, I saw some shots were everything was correctly exposed but the wedding dress was somewhat washed out with no detail. I do experience the same problem with my dvx100 and I've seem footage from a fx1 and a hvx200 which had the same problem. I often need to underexpose a bit to get it right.
I did see many clips from the xh-a1 however which did not seem to have any problems with displaying details in the shadow and white parts in the sunlight.
I just wonder if this is a typical Sony/Panasonic problem?

G'Day mate - the wedding dress shot was wrongly underexposed so I boosted the brightness and contrast in post.

Good grief man!

Don't take it personal. :)

Hey guys, how about some low-light comparisons? Sounds like the Z7 is pretty good in this regard, but how does it stack up vs the PD170 at dark wedding receptions?

John,
I noticed that the camera seems to have problems with overexposing the whites, ... I just wonder if this is a typical Sony/Panasonic problem?

This is a smaller chip problem, rather than a manufacturer issue.

A larger imaging chip can handle more light which gives the final image more lattitude to expose the highlights & shadows.

One of the tradeoffs of using smaller cameras.