3.3.1 has a lot of changes so we will likely keep it beta for a while.

Here are some of the changes in 3.3.1.165

* Added: DShow Decoder now has better direct control of the pixel format is output via it properties control panel. Output settings can be now saved as defaults.

* Added: DShow Decoder has two new 4:4:4 10-bit formats (A2R10G10B10 and A2B10G10R10) supported by the Video Mixing Rendering-9 (on some GFX cards.)

* Added: DShow decoder know displays the version number in the control panels.

* Added: 1440x1080 presets to Prospect.

* Added: More performance on dual and quad core systems for CineForm decoding.

* Added: Premiere decoding faster thru more threading.

* Fixed: CineForm RAW: Old user data in the being ingored on P-frames if on new color database information was added for that clip.

* Fixed: CineForm RAW: AE 32-bit float linear math was wrong for new whitepoint.

* Fixed: AE thumbnail decoding for 444 and RAW clips.

* Fixed: In HDLink the Interlaced 4:2:0 fix wasn't being used in pulldown removal for M2T files, yet it was for live or streaming capture/convert.

* Fixed : rare deadlock bug when using the filter stack bit depth display and switching focus between Premiere and other apps.

* Fixed: HDSDI no longer defaults to on for 2K and 4K projects, with the GUI set to off.

* Fixed: HDSDI 10-bit YUV scaling of 1920x1080 to 1440x1080 upon capture.

* Fixed : DShow decoder now remembers if quarter resolution playback was the default.

* Fixed : Premiere CineForm exports that don't have pre-multiplied alpha channels.

Here are the temporary direct links
P4K http://www.miscdata.com/cineform/Prospect4K-3.3.1.165-Setup.zip
P2K http://www.miscdata.com/cineform/Prospect2K-3.3.1.165-Setup.zip
PHD http://www.miscdata.com/cineform/ProspectHD-3.3.1.165-Setup.zip

For various other products
N4K http://www.miscdata.com/cineform/NEO-4K-3.3.1.165-Setup.zip
NHD http://www.miscdata.com/cineform/NEO-HD-3.3.1.165-Setup.zip
AHD http://www.miscdata.com/cineform/AspectHD-5.3.1.116-Setup.zip

Nice little changes, like output settings saved as defaults, and the little performance gains. Rendering seems faster on this quad ws.

Crashed twice on me, but I couldn't reproduce it, so it's probably just PP3.

There are a lot of changes underneith, so if anything becomes repeatable please report it. Fortunately, so far it seem pretty stable inspite of the number of internal changes.

Thanks for the updates.

I'll see how they go with my current project.

I have noticed that when I convert files to CF AVI's using HD Link that the CPU usage is not very high at all, at most it uses around 70% but it varies. When I render in CS3 for example the RAM usage is higher plus the CPU usage across 4 cores averages no lower than 95%.

Using Sysinternals Process Explorer v11.04

http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=aexjmmtygx4&thumb=6

That makes sense. Conversion typically involves decoding someone elses format and then encoding in CineForm. If the source format is not threaded (most aren't very much), it doesn't matter how well threaded the CineForm encoder is you will not able to use all the CPU when the encoder is faster than the decoder (our encoder is starved of data.)

Dammit.

At least it is not a Cineform issue.

With the newest updates all my stability issues have gone away so thank you guys at Cineform!!

At the moment I am editing a music video, all clips are full 1920 x 1080, and under Prospect 2K and Premiere CS3 I am editing in realtime 12 video tracks plus 2 additional matte tracks and all 12 video tracks have 2 colour correction filters applied... all realtime and stable.

(Okay so I have a RAID and Quad core but still I tried native Premiere editing and it struggled with 2 video tracks.)

Amazing... :-)

With the new build (both Prospect 2k trial and ProspectHD registered) i'm getting sort of a combing artifact on the right side of the screen.
This consists of white and black horizontal thin lines on some frames.
The problem appears randomly, not only in the program window of Premiere Pro CS3 3.2 but also in the final output, both Cineform, Adobe Media Encoder or frameserving Tmpgenc. Did not try on AE.

When reverting back the the previous official build all appears to be fine again.
Installed on a Windows XP64 SP2, together with Genarts Sapphire and Redgiant Magic Bullet Looks.

Combing apart, the new build seems really more responding.
However, when used with heavy effects (eg. Neatvideo) now i have to turn off the codec multithreading or (sooner or later) i hit the ceiling of Premiere.

Palo, please send a sample to support.

Doesn't seem to like 720p slo mo shot with SI-2K.

Tried to look at a drive that had 72fps/720p shots on it and explorer would just quit.
Ended up going back to Prospect 2k 3.3 & could play clips from the drive in windows fine.
But in Prem Pro when I try to play the clips on the timeline they are upside down & green. When I pause the still image is correct. The clips will also play fine in the source window. 25fps/2K shots play without a problem.

This is happening with clips that were shot this week with the latest SI-2K build as well as shot from last year.

Have tried going back to earlier 3.2 builds of Prospect 2k but no difference.

Hi Rohan,

I'll look into this and see what I can find. So you're saying that everything works fine with older versions of P2K, but just the latest 3.3 is having issues? Or does any version of P2K not work?

Thanks,

Jason

Hi Jason,

Now I can't edit or add 720p on any version of P2K - I have only done basic uninstall/re-install of the previous version.

The project settings are for a 25fps 2K timeline

Hey Rohan,

I've duplicated the issue on my end as well, and it doesn seem to be affecting all 720P footage, not just 72fps . . . I'm sending CineForm some sample clips recorded at various frame-rates they can experiment with . . . they should be capable of reduplicating the issue on their end if both myself and you are having the same issue. At that point we can see if there is a fix required on our end, or maybe something in P2K or both.

My project was a 2K/23.976 timeline in PPro with version 3.3.1.

I do know in the past this worked though, so I'm not quite sure exactly what is "broken". WMP plays the files back, but as you noted, even when you click on the files, Windows Explorer itself crashes, although I have a feeling this is because it's trying to decode the files to make a preview or something of that nature.

I do notice that QT files are not crashing win-explorer, and they work fine in QT player, although I know QT files are not supported directly for editing inside of PPro at the moment (good for FCP though), so that won't be a work-around for now.

Thanks,

Jason

Can we expect a similar boost to Aspect also?

I have expired those old links after. Here are the new betas

P4K http://www.miscdata.com/cineform/Prospect4K-3.3.1.166-Setup.zip
PHD http://www.miscdata.com/cineform/ProspectHD-3.3.1.166-Setup.zip
NEO-4K http://www.miscdata.com/cineform/NEO-4K-3.3.1.166-Setup.zip
NEO-HD http://www.miscdata.com/cineform/NEO-HD-3.3.1.166-Setup.zip

Just added
AspectHD http://www.miscdata.com/cineform/AspectHD-5.3.1.117-Setup.zip
NEO-HDV http://www.miscdata.com/cineform/NEO-HDV-3.3.1.166-Setup.zip

If we're using the 2K beta, does this linked file update it to the 4K? (since there's no 2K now...)

Email support@cineform.com, all current P2K users will get a new P4K serial number as a free upgrade.

P.S. For everyone else, today and tomorrow are the last days to upgrade to P2K so you get P4K upgrade for free -- a $500 saving.

...today and tomorrow are the last days to upgrade to P2K so you get P4K upgrade for free -- a $500 saving.

I'll leave the Prospect 2K update link live through the weekend....

Thanks David, I just bought P2K and wanted to find the latest builds.

Thanks.

The beta for P2K is now P4K. For the latest release build, same place as always http://www.cineform.com/products/Downloads/Downloads.htm

For those of you who have upgraded to P2K in preparation for your free upgrade to P4K....

Our new beta builds do not have P2K any longer. So you can either stay with the current P2K build or else install the Trial for P4K. If you install the P4K Trial, be sure to first uninstall P2K, then install P4K. You do NOT need to deactivate first.

Next week we'll post the method for getting the free upgrade to P4K activated.

This seems to have fixed the 720p SI-2K footage issue that I was having.

Thanks

Added added AspectHD and NEO-HDV betas.

Hi David,
i've just uninstalled my aspect HD 5.2 to test Prospect HD with this beta version and each time i open a directory containing some CF avi files, explorer.exe always crashs !
do you know what happends ? i should test the stable version.

thanks
Cedric.

Clearly that should not happen, not getting any other reports of that, not seeing that here either. Please contact support; we will need to details on the clips and your computer.

The best builds yet -- very close on version 3.3.1.

P4K http://www.miscdata.com/cineform/Prospect4K-3.3.1.167-Setup.zip
NEO-4K http://www.miscdata.com/cineform/NEO-4K-3.3.1.167-Setup.zip

Minor bug fixes and speed improvement to the decoder (significant, around 10% faster or less CPU required, particular for complex images, 444 and RAW.)

David,
i have uninstalled Prospect beta 3.3.1 and installed the stable version 3.3.0b164 and the crashes of explorer.exe are disapeared!
everythink is ok now.
i will opened a ticket if you want to investigate a little more.

regards,
cedric

Hi,

just installed the latest Prospect4K build. Everything worked fine, but I am missing the 25fps configs for 4K. And it doesn't seem to be possible to change the base-framerate afterwards.

I tried to create new files in C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\Adobe Premiere Pro CS3\Settings\en_US\CineForm but that did not work as there are lots of GUIDs that have a specific meaning I guess.

It seems to me that <FrameRate>10584000000</FrameRate> needs to be exchange with <FrameRate>10160640000</FrameRate>.

David, would it be possible to provide 25fps presets for the 4K 16:9 and 2:1 configs? Same for the 2K configs.

Thanks,
Jack

This is a case when too much knowledge is hurting you. You don't text edit the preset. Premiere creates them, so just use Premiere (that how we do it -- takes 10 seconds.) Select the 4K 24p present, click on custom, and select 25 fps, save the new preset (and you are done.)

Here 3.3.1.167 for all PC releases.

P4K http://www.miscdata.com/cineform/Prospect4K-3.3.1.167-Setup.zip
PHD http://www.miscdata.com/cineform/ProspectHD-3.3.1.167-Setup.zip
AHD http://www.miscdata.com/cineform/AspectHD-5.3.1.118-Setup.zip
NEO-4K http://www.miscdata.com/cineform/NEO-4K-3.3.1.167-Setup.zip
NEO-HD http://www.miscdata.com/cineform/NEO-HD-3.3.1.167-Setup.zip
NEO-HDV http://www.miscdata.com/cineform/NEO-HDV-3.3.1.167-Setup.zip

Last chance for feedback before these builds become the release version.

One thing I have noticed is rather odd.

When creating a preset for a Premiere project in PPro if I go to preferances for a Cineform 2K and 4K project and click on the Playback Settings and click on Metadata it just hangs.

This is a case when too much knowledge is hurting you. You don't text edit the preset. Premiere creates them, so just use Premiere (that how we do it -- takes 10 seconds.) Select the 4K 24p present, click on custom, and select 25 fps, save the new preset (and you are done.)

Gah! Stupid me. It's been a while since I used Premiere, sorry. That worked of course :)


While playing around with two 4K Cineform RAW files, converted from our Red One with r3d2dpx, I noticed 5 things.

Setup: MacPro 8 core 2.8GHz, Nvidia 8800GT, Bootcamp. I created a Cineform 1080p project, placed the files on the time line and applied a 53% zoom (clips have been recorded 2:1) with the Cineform Pan,Zoom,Rotate effect and added a Cineform Additive Dissolve effect.

1) Everything looked ok when scrubbing. But when I hit playback, the preview window displays the clips scaled 50% (a second time it seems). Please see http://fabforce.net/various/CineformScreenshotPlayback.png and compare with the screenshot below. This did not occur in a Cineform 4K project file (but I didn't use scaling there since the files matched the project resolution).

2) I wanted to try the RAW Metadata settings to change the look of the RAW files, but whatever I changed in the Cineform RAW File Metadata dialog, it had no effect on the clips. Even with most extreme settings. Please see http://fabforce.net/various/CineformScreenshotRawMetadata.png

3) I enabled the "Enable overlay surface" in the playback options, but I did not get any overlay on my 8800 GT on the 2nd Monitor. I tried to change some settings in the Nvidia Control Panel but I was not able to find any overlay options there. Any idea if this card supports this feature?

4) When I hit the spacebar it takes about 2 seconds till playback starts.

5) While I was just using Cineform effects and I got realtime playback on both the scaling and the dissolve the Premiere timeline still showed a red-"To-Render" area over the dissolve. Please see the first screenshot.

Apart from those things I have to say that I'm blown away by the speed of the Cineform RAW codec. Total CPU load is 13-20% on my system even when playing two 4K tracks with a dissolve and simple color correction. Only limitation is disk speed and I'm going to format my external RAID with NTFS to make use of that.

I can't wait till the Red Firmware Build 16 is out featuring the API. Then I can update my cam from Build 13 which is the last build working with the unofficial r3d2dpx tool that lets me create Cineform RAW files on the fly.

Btw. for some clips I have to limit the cores used by r3d2dpx to one in order to prevent crashes.

Some of my findings above might be to improper use of some features and not really bugs. Any information would be welcome in any case :)

Thanks a lot and please continue your great work!
Jack

I guess many are quietly using that old Red conversion tool that we pulled form the market, but I'm glad it is working for you. Some of your issue may relate to the old tool, but it all sounds addressable.

1) Our RT pipeline doesn't like to down-res 4K to 1080p for RT playback, but it is find the other way around. Some for 1080p in a 720p project, the reverse works fine. So use 4K project for 4K source then export 1080p, that solves the issue.

2) I don't know why that would be, we you that feature all the time, Red footage or others (maybe this is the failure of that old convertor.) Please contact support on this one.

3) Overlay and NVidia 8800GT does not work, as they remove that feature.

4) That is slow, should be around half a second. Question for support.

5) Like because the mix resolutions, we can't do some motion effects and dissolves at the some time. But solution to 1) should fix this also.

Thanks for the feedback.