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Phil Bloom
April 12th, 2008, 10:21 PM
hmm, that car was in the water like all day! aren't there any tow cables?

it was parked on the boat ramp, the tide came up. swept it away, then the tide went down and it was towed out. The tide comes up very high in that part of the Thames and often floods around there. Locals know never to park your car even in some of the parking spaces!

Brian Cassar
April 12th, 2008, 10:36 PM
Phil, at what time today do you think you'll post up the review on the EX3?

Phil Bloom
April 12th, 2008, 10:45 PM
I would say midnight tomorrow night GMT

It's all ready...just need to click that publish button!!

Robb Cox
April 12th, 2008, 11:40 PM
Awesome Phil, cant wait to read about it... Im sure its a fantastic camera, but from the look of the pics of the EX3, its taken a heavy dose of ugly pills... IMO...

:) Cheers

Leonard Levy
April 13th, 2008, 02:33 AM
Could somebody ( other than Philip who's sworn to secrecy) who saw the accidental sneak preview description of the EX-3 tell us what was in it. The article is gone for now.

Brian Cassar
April 13th, 2008, 02:48 AM
I second Leonard! Whoever have read the article, is there anything way out different from the EX1? From the photos all I can see are the following changes: interchangeable lens / a monitor evf combination with an interesting mechanism / a revamped body with better placed buttons / some additional inputs and outputs / a very useful second accessory shoe placed in an interesting place.

I'm eager to know whether there is the facility to record SD like the 335 and 355's!

Mike Thomann
April 13th, 2008, 02:49 AM
yes, the big secret is that it's the new lens-less organic sensor technology. interesting stuff. could there ever have been a more anticipated moment on here than midnight tomorrow?

Ivan Snoeckx
April 13th, 2008, 03:22 AM
I think the number 2 is unlucky in Japan.

Nope! It is 4.

You have D1, D2, D3 1/2" Digital, D5 1/2" Component, D6 and so on, but no D4.

Raymond Schlogel
April 13th, 2008, 03:28 AM
From the little I've managed to dig up I'm guessing the secondary shoe is for a new 60 gig hard drive, redundancy or dumping? Both? Dunno.

- Ray

Alexander Kubalsky
April 13th, 2008, 03:58 AM
Could somebody ( other than Philip who's sworn to secrecy) who saw the accidental sneak preview description of the EX-3 tell us what was in it. The article is gone for now.

I read the article. Thought I was dreaming. Out of respect for Phil though I'll wait till he breaks the news. Nigels article was not an actual hands on review. Just a copy and paste of the facts which will be made public in hours anyway.

Phil should have an actual hands on review up tonight....which will be Monday afternoon my (Tokyo) time. Damn, why ain't the world flat.

Alexander Kubalsky
April 13th, 2008, 04:00 AM
Could somebody ( other than Philip who's sworn to secrecy) who saw the accidental sneak preview description of the EX-3 tell us what was in it. The article is gone for now.

I read the article. Thought I was dreaming. Out of respect for Phil though I'll wait till he breaks the news. I suck at Nigels article was not an actual hands on review. Just a copy and paste of the facts that will be made public in hours anyway.

Phil should have an actual hands on review up Sunday Night....which will be Monday afternoon my (Tokyo) time. Damn, why ain't the world flat.

Ivan Snoeckx
April 13th, 2008, 04:09 AM
I have the whole article including all the pictures, but am not going to post it because I do not want any trouble with Sony.

But this is what I still can find on another website.

The PHU-60K is an SxS Professional 60GB HardDisc Recorder.

It can be used either by recording directly from an SxS lead to the card slot or transfer from an SxS card when inserted in the other card slot.

Announcement of 32 GB SxS cards (2 hours @35Mb/s). Available in september.

For the rest you'll have to wait.

Gerald Loidl
April 13th, 2008, 04:32 AM
Excellent review Philip! I love your demonstration video where you are showing all the new features. (I was amazed that it is already online - I hope thats not by accident...)
I should have returned my EX1 when I still had the chance to do so, with all the backfocus issues. Sony will have lots of unhappy EX1 owners now...
The new EX3 looks like a killer camera! It has everything I miss on the EX1.

Thanks Philip for sharing this review.

regards,
Gerald

John Hewat
April 13th, 2008, 04:53 AM
I should have returned my EX1 when I still had the chance to do it with all the backfocus issues. Sony will have lots of unhappy EX1 owners now...
The new EX3 looks like a killer camera! It has everything I miss on the EX1.

Lots of people are saying that but is it likely to be a replacement or a higher-end model? I know for me, the EX1 was as much as I could afford (and then some) so if the EX3 is going to cost much more than the EX1 it would probably have been out of my league anyway. I know the EX1 has had some manufacturing troubles, but the footage is incredible - I for one have no disappointment with it.

If it turns out the EX3 is better and only $500 more expensive then I'll be a bit frustrated though!

Alexander Kubalsky
April 13th, 2008, 05:00 AM
Lots of people are saying that but is it likely to be a replacement or a higher-end model? I know for me, the EX1 was as much as I could afford (and then some) so if the EX3 is going to cost much more than the EX1 it would probably have been out of my league anyway. I know the EX1 has had some manufacturing troubles, but the footage is incredible - I for one have no disappointment with it.

If it turns out the EX3 is better and only $500 more expensive then I'll be a bit frustrated though!

The EX3 will be something like $11,500, so yeah, It would have been out of my league too.
I have no regrets on buying the EX1 either. The EX3 looks like something to graduate into later on.

John Hewat
April 13th, 2008, 05:02 AM
The EX3 will be $11,500, so yeah, It would have been out of my league too.

Which would be about $12,500 - $13,000 in Australia. Waaaay to much for me!

Ivan Snoeckx
April 13th, 2008, 05:05 AM
If it turns out the EX3 is better and only $500 more expensive then I'll be a bit frustrated though!

Only $500 more expensiver? Trust me, it will be more then that.

Phil Bloom
April 13th, 2008, 05:18 AM
it will be more than that

Mark David Williams
April 13th, 2008, 05:50 AM
The EX-1 was to my mind the first really viable pro camera within reach and was ready to take (for me anyway) A huge step and purchase a camera that cost almost the price of a small car. And through Phil Blooms posts discovered the amazing Letus adapter. Making it affordable now to create films. So borrowed over three years £7000

NOW. We have the EX-3 which is even more suited to this purpose than the EX-1. It should have been released the other way round giving people a choice. Many will now sell their EX-1s and buy the EX-3. Very good marketing for Sony whether accidental or not.

I think it would be really nice if Sony was to give some kind of trade in deal perhaps on a time limit for those who bought the EX-1 but would rather have purchased the EX-3. It wouldnt be many and would do wonders for customer relations in my opinion.

John Hewat
April 13th, 2008, 06:38 AM
I think it would be really nice if Sony was to give some kind of trade in deal perhaps on a time limit for those who bought the EX-1 but would rather have purchased the EX-3. It wouldnt be many and would do wonders for customer relations in my opinion.

I suppose. I keep thinking to myself "What more could you want from a camera?" and Phil's site is perhaps the best evidence of that - his footage amazes me every time. But I guess I can see that many customers would wish they had the choice...

George Kroonder
April 13th, 2008, 06:44 AM
For those who missed it the first time around: New Sony Solid-State HD Products at NAB 2008 @ dvuser.co.uk (http://www.dvuser.co.uk/content.php?CID=174).

I suppose the Sony embargo has been lifted ;)

So what I like about it so far (and not having seen/handled the real thing) in order of my preference:
- Done away with the viewfinder
- Better ergonomics (most controls on the left)
- Interchangable lens
- Frame rate control dial
- Flip switch on the LCD
- LCD controls are manual dials
- Timecode in/out
- All bnc's on the back, easy to manage
- Mic mount seems sturdier
- Cover over te audio levels

Also with what I presume to be the same sensor block and standard lens, it will be an exact match to the EX1. Just with some more options.

And how about that 2nd cold shoe at the back with the cable clasp on the handle that seems to be purpose build to take the PHU-60K SxS Professional 60GB HardDisc Recorder ;)

George/

P.S. Looking forward to Phil Blooms hands on review!

Paul Curtis
April 13th, 2008, 07:30 AM
Does the Letus Ultimate bypass the lens on the EX3 then? I would get interested in that setup if it was true.

Also putting some fast lenses on there would help DOF, the half inch sensor isn't *that* much smaller than a 2/3rds.

f1.2 or T1.3 lenses could make a practical visual difference (T1.4 on 2/3rds same as T1.2 on half)

Very interesting though...

cheers
paul

Sean Seah
April 13th, 2008, 07:31 AM
Phil's review is Great!

Ray Bell
April 13th, 2008, 07:44 AM
Can you point us to Phils review of the EX3?
or is it not up yet?

Ray Bell
April 13th, 2008, 07:47 AM
Phil Bloom,

Not sure how long you will be in Vegas, but it would be a shame if you can't take a day to check out the Grand Canyon while here.....

I promise you will thank yourself if you take one of the heliicoptor rides out
to the canyon... might not be cheap, but it will be a memory you will never
forget :-)

George Kroonder
April 13th, 2008, 07:54 AM
If Phil is still in Vegas it's still really early there now, so lets give him a break.
I'm sure getting the review up is his highest priority on Sunday morning!

George/

Magnus Eklof
April 13th, 2008, 08:21 AM
Phil's review is Great!

Where is it?? Can´t find it, please help, I´m jonesing badly for more info...
Magnus (having the shakes, gear-related)

Brendan Pyatt
April 13th, 2008, 08:36 AM
i am having a problem with the pictures in the review covering some of the text.

Windows XP and Internet Explorer 7.

Scott Karlins
April 13th, 2008, 08:55 AM
i am having a problem with the pictures in the review covering some of the text.

Windows XP and Internet Explorer 7.

Brendan,

Don't know what you are looking at, but Phil's review is not out yet... :)

Scott K.

Steven Thomas
April 13th, 2008, 09:17 AM
The EX3 will be almost twice the price of the EX1.
It's really at a different price point.

EX3 is an EX1 with detachable lens, so unless you plan on buying more lenses, this will also up the price.

I'm real interested in the SxS hard drive recorder, although I'm blown away Sony only offered it with 60GB.... What the... Hard drives are cheap!

PHU-60K SxS Professional 60GB HardDisc Recorder.

Also, what I really want is an EX1 that's not riddled with various issues. I'm not understanding why the EX1 has so many issues, it not like they has never made video cameras. Having said that, let's hope the near future software upgrade addresses these issues and adds enhancements.

Steve Shovlar
April 13th, 2008, 09:28 AM
Can't see the point of a 60Gb hard disk recorder. For £750 ( $1300) you can buy a very good specced laptop which you can download your SXS cards to.

Brian Cassar
April 13th, 2008, 09:35 AM
From what I've read so far I cannot see any justification for the EX3 being almost £1500 / €2300 / $3000 more than the EX1 unless there are some other surprises! Or else I'm suspecting that the EX1 was underpriced so that it sells and now the EX3 has been correctly priced. Which might hint that the EX1 could have benn underpriced because the early buyers were unwittingly the beta testers?!

Eric Pascarelli
April 13th, 2008, 09:39 AM
Can't see the point of a 60Gb hard disk recorder. For £750 ( $1300) you can buy a very good specced laptop which you can download your SXS cards to.

The hard disk recorder will piggyback on the camera and record continuous video for more than three hours - and it's small. But I agree that it's not all that compelling otherwise, for the price.

George Kroonder
April 13th, 2008, 09:51 AM
The EX3 will be almost twice the price of the EX1.

I hope not; that would be a rude awakening indeed. Nigel Coopers info suggests "£5995 inc. vat", the EX1 retails at about £4600 incl. tax. List may be more, but if this is indeed the European pricing, US pricing should be even less.

I believe 'street' prices could come out under $9000, which is pretty amazing!

All conjecture on my part, ofcourse.

George/

P.S. Numbers based on % differences between Europe and US pricing, current market prices at official dealers and Nigel Coopers article.

Brendan Pyatt
April 13th, 2008, 10:03 AM
Brendan,

Don't know what you are looking at, but Phil's review is not out yet... :)

Scott K.

this:

http://web.mac.com/philip.bloom/Philip_Bloom/XDCAM_EX3.html

Steve Gibbons
April 13th, 2008, 10:12 AM
I'm real interested in the SxS hard drive recorder, although I'm blown away Sony only offered it with 60GB.... What the... Hard drives are cheap!

I suspect Sony is playing it smart around the possibility of the hard drive recorder eating into SxS card sales. I suspect those cards have HUGE markup attached to them. And I expect that, even at 60GB, the hard disk recorder will be quite pricey.

I'm sure the majority of EX1 users would prefer to have a single 250GB hard drive rather than a dozen or more SxS cards lying around. By offering a small, expensive 60GB drive, it doesn't make the choice so clear. Therefore people will end up with a mix of stuff which = more sales.

Gerald Loidl
April 13th, 2008, 10:20 AM
Will the new hard drive fit on the EX1?
Looking at Phil´s review video it looks like the EX3 has a very special "B" slot for the HD which the EX1 lacks???

Could it be EX3 only? This would not be nice...

Ivan Snoeckx
April 13th, 2008, 10:22 AM
this:

http://web.mac.com/philip.bloom/Philip_Bloom/XDCAM_EX3.html

Thanks Brendan! :-)

Phil Bloom
April 13th, 2008, 10:26 AM
Thanks Brendan! :-)

guys I you hadn't had searched out that link. That is not for public consumption and using it through .mac will crash my bandwidth very quickly. I said I would publish the link as soon as I was allowed to. Nigel has again broken the embargo.

Dennis Joseph
April 13th, 2008, 10:47 AM
this:

http://web.mac.com/philip.bloom/Philip_Bloom/XDCAM_EX3.html


The page has no video or text and only says "Phil Bloom -Review of SONY EX-3"

Ivan Snoeckx
April 13th, 2008, 10:53 AM
The page has no video or text and only says "Phil Bloom -Review of SONY EX-3"

Phil removed everthing a couple of minutes ago.

What a mess, and NAB even hasn't started!

Phil Bloom
April 13th, 2008, 11:00 AM
yep. I had to. That was not the proper review. It was on my .mac webspace, not philipbloom.net which is where it will be hosted this afternoon.

Alexander Kubalsky
April 13th, 2008, 11:10 AM
From what I've read so far I cannot see any justification for the EX3 being almost £1500 / €2300 / $3000 more than the EX1 unless there are some other surprises! Or else I'm suspecting that the EX1 was underpriced so that it sells and now the EX3 has been correctly priced. Which might hint that the EX1 could have benn underpriced because the early buyers were unwittingly the beta testers?!

I wonder if the EX3 might scan at more than 60 fields a second? 72 a second or something. That would justify it.

Brendan Pyatt
April 13th, 2008, 11:19 AM
guys I you hadn't had searched out that link. That is not for public consumption and using it through .mac will crash my bandwidth very quickly. I said I would publish the link as soon as I was allowed to.

Sorry Phil.

I had assumed it was public.

Phil Bloom
April 13th, 2008, 11:26 AM
I deleted it from iweb republished to iweb, now I seem to have lost my review. Oh dear. Now have to find a way to rebuild it...

How did you get that link Brendan?

Brendan Pyatt
April 13th, 2008, 11:35 AM
I deleted it from iweb republished to iweb, now I seem to have lost my review. Oh dear. Now have to find a way to rebuild it...

How did you get that link Brendan?

No trickery ;) from this page:

http://web.mac.com/philip.bloom/Philip_Bloom/Home.html

1st link from the box below the pictures.

Phil Bloom
April 13th, 2008, 11:36 AM
but where did you get that link from? Just trying to work out how that happened..

Sami Sanpakkila
April 13th, 2008, 11:39 AM
I deleted it from iweb republished to iweb, now I seem to have lost my review. Oh dear. Now have to find a way to rebuild it...



I still have a browser window open with your review on it. I think I could save and email it to you if you want.

Sami

Phil Bloom
April 13th, 2008, 11:40 AM
thanks Sami, I have found a copy that I had backed up thankfully, still recreating it all now though!

Brendan Pyatt
April 13th, 2008, 11:44 AM
but where did you get that link from? Just trying to work out how that happened..

I don't know - i can't go 'back' further with my browser I must have opened you mac homepage in a new window.

Checking my history I have been here:

http://www.philipbloom.co.uk/Philip_Bloom/Home.html

and on your blog.

Must have been from one of the two.