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Tito Haggardt
February 28th, 2008, 04:40 PM
what, if any, would be the minimum add ons to a macprobook to insure compatability with the Sony EX-1?
thanks i don't know much about mac in general
tito

Steven D. Martin
February 28th, 2008, 05:05 PM
I'm using an EX1 and a MacBook Pro; it is a remarkably amazing combination with no accessories necessary.

Tito Haggardt
February 28th, 2008, 05:32 PM
thats great news!
so a 15"/2.4GHz/200GB bottom of the line model will do the job.
do you edit on your laptop? FCP?
thanks for your help
tito

Steven D. Martin
February 28th, 2008, 05:47 PM
thats great news!
so a 15"/2.4GHz/200GB bottom of the line model will do the job.


I'll be shooting an hour-long PBS special in Germany this spring. I plan to do shoot it with the EX1 and edit on my MacBook Pro (last year's model) with a Western Digital 250gig Passport drive attached. I won't need my larger machine until I do the color correction pass and need two monitors.

I've been testing for the last month and have no reservations about this workflow. This setup is truly unbelievable. My last show was done with a JVC HD100, and I thought IT was amazing- but there's no comparison between it and the EX1.

Tito Haggardt
February 28th, 2008, 06:52 PM
thank you Steven

Alister Chapman
February 29th, 2008, 03:21 AM
I use a plain vanilla MacBook and even that works fine.

Paul Joy
February 29th, 2008, 09:54 AM
I use a plain vanilla MacBook and even that works fine.

But only the Macbook Pro has the Express card slot for direct offload.

By the way, new models were released a couple of days ago, now with updated cpu's and multi-touch. No Blue-ray though, so it looks as though I'll have to go for the external burner.

Paul.

Steven D. Martin
February 29th, 2008, 10:06 AM
But only the Macbook Pro has the Express card slot for direct offload.

By the way, new models were released a couple of days ago, now with updated cpu's and multi-touch. No Blue-ray though, so it looks as though I'll have to go for the external burner.

Paul.

IS there an external Blu-ray burner compatible with the Mac? Will DVD Studio Pro ever support the Blu-ray format?

Gabe Strong
February 29th, 2008, 12:28 PM
Not only is there an external Blu ray drive that is compatible with Mac, you can even have a slot loading Blu ray drive installed on your Macbook pro! Of course that means you have to ship your computer off for a couple days...which I hate to do.

However, DVD Studio Pro is NOT compatible with Blu ray yet. So you can get the drive, but you have to use Toast 8 or Adobe's Encore or something like that.

Leonard Levy
February 29th, 2008, 01:06 PM
If you intend to edit with it I would consider getting external Sata drives and a Sata to expresscard adapter. They're faster

Tito Haggardt
February 29th, 2008, 03:27 PM
"you can even have a slot loading Blu ray drive installed on your Macbook pro!"

apple does this and the sata adapter is also from them?

do i add these things on when i order from the apple store?

thanks everyone for the feedback and please post any other add ons that would make the workflow smoother.

tito

Rob Katz
February 29th, 2008, 10:59 PM
I'll be shooting an hour-long PBS special in Germany this spring. I plan to do shoot it with the EX1 and edit on my MacBook Pro (last year's model) with a Western Digital 250gig Passport drive attached. .

sdm-

is the passport usb2 or fw?

will u be leaving your original footage and edit on the macbook pro's hd?

aren't u concerned about backing up all of your footage beyond the passport drive?

i'm a novice looking to learn so these questions are intended in that spirit.

thanks in advance for any and all thoughts anyone cares to share

be well

rob

Gabe Strong
March 1st, 2008, 12:36 AM
"you can even have a slot loading Blu ray drive installed on your Macbook pro!"

apple does this and the sata adapter is also from them?

do i add these things on when i order from the apple store?

thanks everyone for the feedback and please post any other add ons that would make the workflow smoother.

tito

No, Apple does NOT do this. This is a third party add on, which is why I was mentioning that you have to send your laptop away AFTER you get it from Apple. Here's one company that offers it:

http://fastmac.com:16080/slim_bluray.php

Steven D. Martin
March 1st, 2008, 04:16 AM
is the passport usb2 or fw?
will u be leaving your original footage and edit on the macbook pro's hd?
aren't u concerned about backing up all of your footage beyond the passport drive?
rob

It's USB self-powered. No, I don't have enough extra space on my local HD, so yes, I'm concerned about data loss, but will copy everything to another HD as soon as I hit the ground back home.

Paulo Teixeira
March 1st, 2008, 05:46 PM
According to this article, a Blu-Ray drive should hopefully be out this year.
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/02/29/apple_game_rentals_safari_anti_phishing_blu_ray_notebook_drives.html

So I guess the true reason that Apple doesn’t offer it is because it isn’t perfect yet.

Daniel Weber
March 1st, 2008, 11:01 PM
I have found that FW 800 drives work well.

I was able to get a 250 gig drive for $220 from Other World Computing.

I have 2 of them and make a backup copy of the footage on the second drive.

it has worked well so far.

I wouldn't use USB drives as they are to slow if you are shooting 35 mbs.

The other thing I would get is an upgrade to 4 gigs of ram in the macbook pro.

Alister Chapman
March 2nd, 2008, 12:16 PM
USB drives are plenty fast enough for editing XDCAM at 35Mb/s, unless you want multiple realtime streams. If your using a non pro macbook you can ingest from the camera via USB or using the SBAC10 USB SxS reader. I use a regular Macbook because I need a portable setup and find the extra weight and bulk of the Pro a pain.

Joachim Hoge
March 2nd, 2008, 01:03 PM
USB drives are plenty fast enough for editing XDCAM at 35Mb/s, unless you want multiple realtime streams. If your using a non pro macbook you can ingest from the camera via USB or using the SBAC10 USB SxS reader. I use a regular Macbook because I need a portable setup and find the extra weight and bulk of the Pro a pain.

Just out of curiousity Alan, dosen´t the SxS reader need a power supply?
What do you do if you are on location without electricity?
And isn´t that another thing to drag around?
One last thing, do you do any editing on your MB?

I´m asking as I´m about to get either a MB or MBP
PS Sorry for hijacking thread

Tito Haggardt
March 2nd, 2008, 02:36 PM
its not hijacking if it has to do with the subject.
EX-1 and Macbook Pro, questions, workflow, whatever
if you have questions ask them here
you will probably be asking the question i will have tomorrow
i am afraid i know to little to ask the right questions
thanks
tito

Joel Klein
March 2nd, 2008, 04:33 PM
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"If your using a non pro macbook you can ingest from the camera via USB or using the SBAC10 USB SxS reader."
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Last night I connect the ex1 direct USB to my new 8 core, in my slots was 1 16gig card and a 8 gig card, and one big clip spanned across both cards. It took me almost REALTIME to get the data loaded into my $$$ Mac pro system!!!
If this is THE performers the direct sub provides, then this is defiantly a bad idea to do on the job!

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I use a regular Macbook because I need a portable setup and find the extra weight and bulk of the Pro a pain.
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Is the regular Mac book so much easer on the job?
What about an SxS reader?

I ask because I must have more cards, but for the same price, a Mac book will give me much more storage for my money, and for under $100 I can add a passport usb powered drive. For more storage the "only" down side about the Mac book, is the lack of the SxS card reader....I only need it for storage. Editing i will do on my big system.

Any ideas?

Alister Chapman
March 3rd, 2008, 02:28 AM
The SxS reader is 12V, you can either run it from the supplied adapter or make a cable to run it from any 12V supply including the EX batteries. I use the camera as a source and achieve at least 4x realtime transfer.

I do edit on the Macbook. Basic editing only, mainly just cuts, some grading and dissolves. It works just fine. I've been using it with XDCAM HD for 2 years and EX since September last year. Ive taken it to the Arctic, Deserts, up mountains, all over the world. I have a Macbook Pro as well and the performance difference is minimal. I find the Macbook battery last longer,plus it's a lot less bulky. I put a 160Gb drive and 2Gb of ram in mine, you can get 250Gb drives so no need to take an external drive for many jobs.

If your looking for your primary edit machine I probably would get a Pro, I use a MacPro as my main edit system. But if it's just for managing footage, news type edits and occasional location edits then the added portability of the vanilla macbook is nice.

Joel Klein
March 3rd, 2008, 08:10 AM
thanks for your info!

i could not hold my self back and i bought last night a macbook pro from apple.com, used bill me later. 2.4 2gig ram 250HD 5400rpm comes with express card reader. so while the ex1 is shooting i can empty my second sxs card.

as i will have a macbook pro on a job, is there any way I can use the macbook pro as a live monitor? will be much more e z to foucos, i'm NOT looking to record the footage, just as a moniter, any ideas?

Thanks!

Martin Voelker
March 3rd, 2008, 06:52 PM
HD Monitor Pro or its little DV Monitor Pro brother will do that very well, they're actually meant for HD recording but allow perfect monitor calibration, 400% zoom in for focus check etc. http://redlightningsoftware.com
I own the DV software but am about to upgrade as I start using a HVX200. Fairly cheap but event videographers rave about it.

Joel Klein
March 3rd, 2008, 07:08 PM
any way to use the macbook pro itself as a monitor?

any way to conect a capture card to a macbookpro?

Matthew Dorris
March 5th, 2008, 11:41 AM
I'm also interested in hearing about capture cards for the macbook pro. I need a portable system, and can't afford to get a mac pro and a mac book pro, so since i can hopefully edit multiple streams on the new Pro (2.6ghz duo core, 4 gigs ram) i'm looking at the new macbook pro.
I would like to be able to feed into the macbook pro at 4:2:2 out of the SDI for green screen at some point. Is this feasible?

Mark OConnell
March 5th, 2008, 03:51 PM
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Last night I connect the ex1 direct USB to my new 8 core, in my slots was 1 16gig card and a 8 gig card, and one big clip spanned across both cards. It took me almost REALTIME to get the data loaded into my $$$ Mac pro system!!!
If this is THE performers the direct sub provides, then this is defiantly a bad idea to do on the job!



I had something like that happen the first time I used the Sony card reader. Plugging into a different USB port resolved the problem.

Joel Klein
March 5th, 2008, 04:41 PM
thanks! i will try

Joachim Hoge
March 7th, 2008, 03:18 PM
The SxS reader is 12V, you can either run it from the supplied adapter or make a cable to run it from any 12V supply including the EX batteries. I use the camera as a source and achieve at least 4x realtime transfer.

I do edit on the Macbook. Basic editing only, mainly just cuts, some grading and dissolves. It works just fine. I've been using it with XDCAM HD for 2 years and EX since September last year. Ive taken it to the Arctic, Deserts, up mountains, all over the world. I have a Macbook Pro as well and the performance difference is minimal. I find the Macbook battery last longer,plus it's a lot less bulky. I put a 160Gb drive and 2Gb of ram in mine, you can get 250Gb drives so no need to take an external drive for many jobs.

If your looking for your primary edit machine I probably would get a Pro, I use a MacPro as my main edit system. But if it's just for managing footage, news type edits and occasional location edits then the added portability of the vanilla macbook is nice.

Thanks for the input Alister. Looks like I don´t need a MBP after all. I really like the size of my 12" ibook, so a MB is tempting and cheaper

Rob Katz
March 7th, 2008, 05:21 PM
martin v-

i clicked your link and the software hd monitor pro seems like it does only the hvx200 version of hi def.

does anyone know if hd monitor pro will work with the sony ex1?

thanks in advance to those who care to share

be well

rob

<<HD Monitor Pro or its little DV Monitor Pro brother will do that very well, they're actually meant for HD recording but allow perfect monitor calibration, 400% zoom in for focus check etc. http://redlightningsoftware.com I own the DV software but am about to upgrade as I start using a HVX200. Fairly cheap but event videographers rave about it.>>

David Hodge
August 25th, 2008, 12:45 PM
I have emailed the powers that be at Red Lightning Software and inquired about using the EX1 on the HD Monitor Pro. They are working on a solution to RED right now, but plan to put out an EX1 specific version soon. I was advised to keep checking back for that new version on the website. I was also advised I could download the demo and do a test for how the EX1 and the HD Monitor Pro got along together. I think the EX1 will work, but I am waiting for my camera to arrive and then I will know for sure whether EX1 will work on it.

As soon as I have confirmation either way I will post a notice on this thread. Otherwise I will be with everyone else searching for a solution.