I haven't been here in ages, but I was curious if there are any new updates on the JVC camera after the release of 200/250?

Any improvements? Especially since the Red camera came out.

From what i have heard there will be a update release on the 251 using the larger tapes better low light it will be released here in australia next moth so they say.

is it inside or from the JVC news or something??

Adam

My guess is check out NAB.

I think the lower MSRP on the 110 and 200 ( and not the 250) is a signal that something's coming to replace those 2 models.

I think the lower MSRP on the 110 and 200 ( and not the 250) is a signal that something's coming to replace those 2 models.

For JVC's sake, I hope so. I've long considered the JVC to be the premiere sub-$10k HD camera for indie filmmakers with its genuine 1280 X 720 chips and other pro features. But now they seem to have been totally "flanked" by Sony with their release of the PMW-EX1 with its genuine 1920 x 1080 1/2" sensors and 1080p for US$6500. If you were looking for a purchase today would you go for 720p on 1/3" chips or 1080p on 1/2" sensors? Especially with Blu-Ray (a 1080p delivery medium) winning the recent format war.

So I'm interested to see what JVC announce at NAB. If they release 1080p capability on at least 1/2" chips, added to their form factor and interchangeable lens capabilities for sub-$10k they could reclaim the "high ground".

And they could really "flank" Sony if they recorded to CF cards (a la RED) rather than expensive proprietary media (such as Sony and Panasonic). A 16GB SxS card for the PMW-EX1 is $1,300 Australian. This gives 50 minutes of high quality 1080p recording.

If JVC recorded a 4:2:2 intra-frame codec onto a CF card, wow!

Because JVC don't have a "high-end" camera to protect (by limiting features) it's possible they could do this.

So NAB should be interesting.

If you were looking for a purchase today would you go for 720p on 1/3" chips or 1080p on 1/2" sensors? Especially with Blu-Ray (a 1080p delivery medium) winning the recent format war.



I own the HD100 and can say I would be looking at 1080P 1/2", hell I'd be looking at 1/2" over 1/3" even if they were both 720P only.

HD DVD was also a 1080P delivery medium btw, just obsolete now :)

For what I do 720p is fine, I just want better low light performance. Although I have to say i'll be ticked off no matter what i've already bought my 2 GY-HD100s and dont have a bugdet for new ones. So in that case a nice upgrade to the 100/110 that will improve the low light performance please:)

the Sony XDCAM EX has a rolling shutter, like the HV20, and even like the RED

rolling shutter is bad; it's a dealbreaker for any action sequences or vfx work

stick with the JVC for now, but wait until NAB to see what's announced

I heard from actual reps and the guys way above them what is on the way and they said body will be a little different and it will take bigger tapes better low light i hope it records in 1080

I heard from actual reps and the guys way above them what is on the way and they said body will be a little different and it will take bigger tapes better low light i hope it records in 1080

Hi Robert,
I am in Perth. What sort of tapes would hey be if they were bigger?

Dennis

the large 3hr jvc HD tapes same size as dvcam tapes so they say

Rob

I own the HD100 and can say I would be looking at 1080P 1/2", hell I'd be looking at 1/2" over 1/3" even if they were both 720P only.

HD DVD was also a 1080P delivery medium btw, just obsolete now :)

Just to let everyone know, HD-DVD was NOT a 1080p delivery medium, it was for 720p-1080i. Absolutely no support for actual progressive 1080 footage. This is why it won the war on the tech side... I always liked the sound of "BlueRay" anyway haha.

Just to let everyone know, HD-DVD was NOT a 1080p delivery medium, it was for 720p-1080i. Absolutely no support for actual progressive 1080 footage. This is why it won the war on the tech side... I always liked the sound of "BlueRay" anyway haha.

Sorry. Wrong. The higher end HD-DVD players did 1080p.

I really shouldn't, but for the record, only Toshiba's lowest priced model (of 5 at the end of this debacle) the X-A3 and previously Xa2, were limited to 1080i. Also, when watching 24p originated material, it was de-interlaced in a way to get full progressive frames at the lower frame rate. Only high motion footage was less sharp.

Now we face some prohibitive licensing fees for Blu-ray, and short-run production (as opposed to burning individual discs) is going to be a major downer for the niche and smaller HD video producers.

slap slap, back on track....

Now we face some prohibitive licensing fees for Blu-ray, and short-run production (as opposed to burning individual discs) is going to be a major downer for the niche and smaller HD video producers.

slap slap, back on track....


Where do you see the fees coming in? I know that Premier Pro CS3 will already encode to the blu-ray codec.

Jerry, let's take this OT thread to the HD disc forum... before we get chided.
License fees will apply to short run manufacturing which is only at "licensed" facilities, but encoding or burning individual discs isn't a problem. Burnt discs do still have some compatibility issues with many players.

To thrust this more back on track...
It was smart of JVC to stay out of the HD disc format war, but what many people don't realize is that they were really the first to present a movie distribution format and player - D-VHS. Some movies were released on this recording capable product when it came out several years ahead of the high capacity discs. It used the same compression format as our cameras, on special 1/2" tape in a conventional VHS shell.

I think it suffered from association with VHS tape which was considered obsolete in the age of recordable dvd's. I nearly bought a cheap used one as a presentation tool. I might still consider one.

The move to larger 3 hour tapes would be logical, much as the proDV line evolved. The BR-50 deck is ready for them, and the dual format transport mechanism is already developed. It's only useful to certain users though, and mini tapes are a far more established standard, so I'd only use longer tapes when required.

I think it's unlikely that JVC will release a 1/2" chip, 1080p, solid state recording pro camera for under 10k. If they incorporate these features, it would be for a scaled up higher end broadcast formed camera, which they do well. It would be competitive with HDCAM and Varicams, not "prosumer" units like the EX. It would have to be in the $15K region at least. It wouldn't be HDV of course. Higher bandwidth signal onto cards would make sense, but honestly, I think many needs are not well addressed by the flash memory workflow currently, although it gains strength continually.

It does seem likely a 3rd party will come up with a SDI driven remote portable hardware solution for chip recording. That will be interesting...

The EX is great on paper, but I don't think it's a replacement for much of the professional work we are engaged in. That's another story too....

In the end, number comparisons have to be considered very carefully. Just because a camera has chips of a certain resolution, doesn't mean that it's end product is more subjectively detailed. Significant factors on both sides from the lens to the DSP and compression are if anything MORE important. The jump to 1080p I believe is only justified with a truly high-end approach. 720p upscales very well to 1080p in both encoding and live hardware presentation.

So I expect that to be around for awhile, and the 1/3" chips with the lenses that are being made for this camera, also makes sense to keep around.

Better low-light processing would be appreciated by many.

Overall, I'm hoping for continued support for our present format for a few more years. I hope we simply get refinements and improvements to the existing 720p, HDV, 1/3" chip concept - bringing in new blood who appreciate the broadcast features and form factors