After a long time I'm writing this letter, I have a 519 head which is not giving me a shakeless video. So I would like to know anybody is using 526 & what is there experience with it.
I have 100-400L IS + XL2+Rail to support lens as well as cam, still I'm getting shaky video at 400mm the magnification will be 60X. Even the pulse will jarr the image, so I feel like changing to 526.
Kindly respond,

Ashok

Ashok-

It’s a great head but you need a minimum payload around 25lbs to avoid sticky/jerky starts and stops (doesn’t perform well with small cameras). The head is well built (metal casing) and pans smooth with no sticktion given the right payload. If you’re using an XL2 then try to demo the 526 first to make sure it performs without sticky/jerky starts/stops.

-John

Gonna have to stop meeting like this!

I think I can be pretty certain in saying that I don't believe your 519 is the culprit here.

If I remember correctly, you bought the 525 sticks with your new head, a decision I wasn't overly impressed with, considering the lens system you were using.

Just to prove the point, do this small test.

Mount up the camera on the head (on the sticks, natch!). Make sure the system is perfectly balanced on the head. Lock both the pan and tilt locks (hard).

Do not touch the head or camera at all.

With the camera running, push the receiver on the sticks top to the left, then the right.

Then, grab the receiver with both hands and twist it, first to the right, then the left.

Lastly, push on the centre of any of the legs towards the centre line of the tripod.

Review your footage.

My bet is that during all this the camera is moving around like it's mounted on jello.

If that is the case, forget a new head, you need better sticks, big time.

If it isn't the case, then guess I'm going to have to think again.


CS

John, here in India we don't get demo, earlier I had a very long discussion with Mr Fabio Prada International sales manager of Manfrotto while purchasing 519. B'cos here in India the distributor didn't had the 519 with him, it can be brought only on placing a order. Even the ditributor is about 2000km distance away from my place.
Chris do you mean the receiver to a bowl? where head mounts.Then I will check & let you know.

Ashok

The bit the head sits in and the legs are attached to.

CS

Yes, there is a slight shake in the picture. even I tried with the spike foot shoes & without & center spread, still there is a jarring noticed.
As you mentioned in the article using 100mm bowl & reduce it to 75mm by using a adapter, does this help to give better stability?

Ashok

The 525's (if that was what you ended up with) were always going to be pretty iffy (dubious) with that lens system.

The question is, of course, what to replace them with.

You mentioned earlier that your lens system on full rack was of the order of 60X. That's enough to put the frighteners on anyone who knows a thing about the subject.

To be honest Ashok, you really need the tripod equivalent of a block of concrete to keep that system stable, and, with the exception of the tripod I reviewed earlier this month, I simply do not know of one that can do that.

I come back to what I said in that article, without the relevant figures being published, it's all smoke and mirrors and just plain 'ol BS (if you need a translation of BS send me a private mail).

Quite where to go from here is a mystery, because you need to satisfy yourself that a new set of sticks is required, and allocate a possible budget, then look at possible contenders.

The one thing I can say with absolute certainty, unless you go for the absolute toughest, most rigid system available, you're video is going to wander all over the place forever.

I really would suggest the FiberTechs (discontinued as they are, but still apparently available from B&H) but don't know whether your budget comes anywhere close) they being the only ones I have actually tested.

After that, well, it's anyones guess.

If there's any pro HD shooters out there with sticks that emulate reinforced concrete, weigh in now, 'cos I'm floundering.

Best I can do for the moment, old friend.


CS

Ashok-

Im getting good results with the 532 ART tripod and 526 head(both 100mm). Try throwing a 30lbs sand bag(or something heavy) on your tripod. Let us know if that helps.

-John

Well John, The capacity of the 525 is 15kg/33lbs, doesn't it will damage the tripod if I put additional 30lbs weight to it. As it already put weight of 15lbs of cam & lens?
Chris don't throw your arms in the air & leave me like this.

Ashok

Arms not in air and I ain't going nowhere.

Thinking is all.


CS

Ashok,

you ain't goint to like this, but believe me, I cannot think of another way to solve this problem with your current rig.

We have 15 lbs of camera, rails and lens stuff. Zoom factor 60X (fercryingoutloud!).

That 60X equates (in my mind) to another 70 to 80 odd (or even more) pounds of gear the tripod has to not only hold, but hold still.

If you are serious about tackling this problem, I believe you should be looking at tripods that can hold 100 lbs MINIMUM.

This immediately throws all Manfrotto gear out the window.

So, lets say we keep the budget to $1000 US or thereabouts (double that would be good but don't think you want to pay that).

Lets also say we need two stage, due to the versatility required.

Lets also say we need 100 mm bowl with a reducer, as they are most definately more rigid.

I can find nothing by Sachtler or O'connor that comes close, within the $1000 budget.

There is Cartoni, Libec, Miller, and that's about it.

Seems to be a good range of Millers, but beware their single tube leg units, useless for your application no matter what they say they can hold.

My suggestion?

Go shake the piggy bank and see what you can realistically pony up for these sticks, and then check out B&H to see what's available at your budget price.

I don't think anything less than $1000 will really do it (and you DO NOT WANT ANOTHER MISTAKE HERE!).

Keep saying to yourself - 60X zoom! (Anyone who thinks I going OTT here, think about it - a 60X optical Zoom! This thing is the Palomar Telescope in carry form).

See, I told you, you wouldn't like it.

That is, however, my considered opinion.

I await comments with interest.


CS

Thanks, I knew you are a Guardian Angel. Mean while I had a discussion with Fabio, Vitec group International sales Manager. Was very kind enough to hear me, he said he will be in Mumbai for Photo Trade Fair on 16th March & asked me to bring the system including cam & rail so that he can assess it properly and find some solution to it. As you asked I'll try to pool the money for better legs (hope the head will be ok or it has to be changed too).
John which cam you are using & what purpose?
Ashok

Ashok-

We are using a variety of shoulder mount cams on the 526 head (head performs best in the 18-33lbs range). I also have a SI-2K digital cinema camera on order (we may get an O’Connor for SI-2K). My business mainly does production for advertising and marketing.

I would think the 30lbs-sand bag would be fine to use with your tripod, but if the load limit concerns you then try the difference (18lbs-sand bag) and see if it helps. I think Chris has some good advise about the 60x factor (!!!).

-John

that's great news about the Trade Fair in Mumbai, hope that goes well, just be carefull he doesn't sell you a Manfrotto rig which won't do the necesary!

BTW, and appropos of nothing whatsoever (and also completely off topic to boot), have just finished reading Ramachandra Guha's book "India After Ghandi, The History of the Worlds Largest Democracy" (due to unfortunate medical down time, tho' an excuse to keep out of the clutches of "she who must be obeyed" [AKA, the wife!]).

What a bloody good read it was too. At 900 odd pages not for the light hearted, but a wealth of detail you wouldn't believe. Interestingly, not much I didn't know in vague-ish terms, but nice to have the detail.

He (the author) is based in Bangalore now apparently, don't know if you're a reading man, but can heartily recommend it, if that's your sort of thing.

Sounds like an interesting guy, might want to polish up your interview techniques and go visit him sometime (take the camera).


CS

Thanks for the info but I'm not a very keen reader, my subject will be always with nature you talk about wandering in the nature with cam or bino or hiking.
But if you need any further assistance from me regarding Indian literature or any matter with that plz feel free to ask I'll be honored to help. Even if I'm not reader yet it will be a pleasure to help some one who is so much interested in Indian literature.

Ashok

Just did a search of the B&H web site to put that equipment profile to the test. Took the max price up to $1250 as that was the step the site had. Came up with this list of contenders:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=search&A=search&Q=&sb=bs%2Cupper%28ds%29&sq=asc&ac=&bsi=&bhs=t&shs=&ci=3910&at=Tripod+Weight+Support_101+lb+%26+up&at=Type_2+Stage&at=Price_+600+%3C%3D++%3C%3D+1249.99&basicSubmit=Submit+Query

I suppose the next BIG Q is - who knows anything about Cartoni?

That L506 looks interesting with the smatstop feature, tho' remember you'd still need to buy a mid level spreader for it as well. The L502 is quite a bit cheaper and with a spreader would probably top out @ just over a grand.

So people, who's got a good word (or otherwise) for Cartoni?


CS

Chris. Just a clarification, I need to change only the tripod & retain 519 right?

Yeah,

at this point, I cannot see any reason to change the head.

If it's counterbalancing OK with your current rig and otherwise OK, I cannot see any other culprit here but the sticks themselves.

(And owning a set of 520's, the 525's predecessors, I always knew they were going to be iffy for this application).


CS

Still a week for expo, just for academic curiosity how about 528XB though it's a hernia inducers (your words). The stability wise I think it's one of the better one by Manfrotto. What is the advantage with double tube legs, most of the video legs are double tube only. There are very few which uses single tube.
How do you rate 528XB with Fibertec, I know they are two different poles.
Doesn't the spreader comes with tripod, it almost cost the price of 525.


Ashok

How did I miss this post?

Hmmm, the 528XB's.

Yep, hernia inducers of major proportions. BUT, exceedingly stable as you'd expect from 40 mm diameter leg tubes.

But, their minimum height is huge, the spreader is bolted on so can't be detached, and getting them to maximum height will not only do your hernia no favours but do your back in as well.

They are superb for the job they were designed for (holding jibs) but having tried to use them for "out and abouting" (where they were indeed almost up there with the FiberTec's rigidity wise) I rapidly got the point of not wanting to get them out of the car (and no, you wouldn't want to carry the things far, that's for sure).

So, tell us, what happened? How did it work out? Have you got a new set of sticks?


CS

You see the culprit was not 525 its 519, when the tilt lock is fully tightened (locked) still there is a play tilt wise. B'cos of that the shake occurs, this is a fault of the manufacturer or design mistake.
Anyway I'm getting the 526 with my 525(modified to 100mm receiver) for a week trial & let you know the results.

Ashok

Was wondering how this saga was playing out.

Good to hear you have a trial period.

Keep us posted, I'm fascinated to hear how this works out.

Thanks for letting me know.


CS