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Michael H. Stevens February 24th, 2008, 05:48 PM I was inches away from buying this monitor when I saw it does not handle 1080p - only 720p. With the EX1 the video outs are always the same as the shooting mode so with this monitor you can not shoot in 1080p as I always do. Beware.
Mike
Chris Hurd February 24th, 2008, 07:32 PM Actually that monitor will accept a 1080i component video input.
Rajiv Attingal February 25th, 2008, 01:32 AM Just curious to know what will be the look when the camera in 1080p mode connected through component to this monitor. Is the result that much bad?. Cant one judge it for focus colour and framing?
Rajiv
Michael H. Stevens February 25th, 2008, 02:14 AM The monitor does not support 1080p so you will likely get nothing
Piotr Wozniacki February 25th, 2008, 03:07 AM Michael,
Component is ALWAYS interlaced by its very nature.
Only a monitor with HDMI /DVI / HD-SDI may be rated 1080p.
Paul Newman February 25th, 2008, 05:24 AM I have an EX1, and shoot 1080i enabling me to produce high quality slo motion
in post production. The results are fabulous, and much better than if I'd shot my material in progressive mode.
all the best from "cuckoo land"
Paul
Sean Donnelly February 25th, 2008, 08:17 AM Piotr, that is simply not true. Component is analog by nature, but certainly not interlace only.
-Sean
Sean Donnelly February 25th, 2008, 08:31 AM I wouldn't be surprised if this monitor will accept a 1080p signal however I'm fairly sure it would not accept 23.98, but none of that matters since the display is only 800x480. You could send SD over the component out (or even use the composite) and probably not see much of a difference.
-Sean
Tim Polster February 25th, 2008, 09:18 AM I have an EX1, and shoot 1080i enabling me to produce high quality slo motion
in post production.
Paul
Paul, how do you get better slo-mo in 1080i compared to 720p60?
The 60p stuff I have seen is without equal.
Chris Hurd February 25th, 2008, 10:35 AM If the EX1's component video output sends the p30 and p24 modes out as 1080i, then this monitor will indeed be compatible. One way to find out for sure, and that is to get the two pieces together and test it. I'll put an inquiry into iKan, and if they can't get their hands on an EX1 then surely we'll find out at NAB, where both the camera and the monitor will be under one (admittedly rather large) roof, at the South Hall of the LVCC.
Michael H. Stevens February 26th, 2008, 12:06 AM But it doesn't. The output is always the same as what you are shooting. That IS the problem for the ikan when in 1080p because 1080p is what comes out and the iKan can't handle it.
Piotr Wozniacki February 26th, 2008, 04:42 AM Piotr, that is simply not true. Component is analog by nature, but certainly not interlace only.
-Sean
Sean, I stand corrected, thanks. Actually, there are two types:
Y,Pb,Pr - Progressive Scan component video input/output connection.
Y,Cb,Cr - Interlaced scan only component video input/output connection
For some reason, I only was thinking about the latter :)
Dennis Schmitz February 26th, 2008, 04:58 AM Paul, how do you get better slo-mo in 1080i compared to 720p60?
The 60p stuff I have seen is without equal.
If you use a good bobber (like mvbob) you will get a better 50p/60p picture
than with 720p.
regards Dennis
Randy Strome February 26th, 2008, 08:19 AM Is anyone currently using an on camera monitor/mount/battery/hood/input setup that they are very satisfied with? I am in the market, and would love some known-good user input.
Michael H. Stevens February 26th, 2008, 09:21 AM Is anyone currently using an on camera monitor/mount/battery/hood/input setup that they are very satisfied with? I am in the market, and would love some known-good user input.
Me too Randy. The problem is the good ones are expensive. DVmag did a review last month. I will try to find it. It is no point getting one unless it is at least 8", full HD horizontally and capable of playing progressive HD.
The SONY monitor made for the EX1 is the LMD-9050. It is HD via HDSDI which is what you want and there is a $250 rebate for EX1 owners. Price is $4125.
Evan C. King February 26th, 2008, 09:59 AM The EX1 doesn't have a menu option where you choose what it's component puts out? I've got to test this next time I use one.
Randy Strome February 26th, 2008, 10:43 AM Me too Randy. The problem is the good ones are expensive. DVmag did a review last month. I will try to find it. It is no point getting one unless it is at least 8", full HD horizontally and capable of playing progressive HD.
I am OK with a setup under 2K. Let me know if you find the info. Is there a brand that specializes in this niche that I could look into? The stock LCD is terrific for initial focus (with the magnification option) but there are times that I simply can not see that I've lost focus to DOF as the subject approaches the camera (surfing, etc). It will also be useful to have a more readable histogram.
Randy Strome February 28th, 2008, 05:23 PM This one was suggested to me for the EX1. Pretty interesting.
http://www.tvlogic.co.kr/eng/products/mf_lcd/lvm_spec.pdf
Piotr Wozniacki February 28th, 2008, 06:14 PM The SONY monitor made for the EX1 is the LMD-9050. It is HD via HDSDI which is what you want and there is a $250 rebate for EX1 owners. Price is $4125.
Based on specifications, this monitor doesn't support 1080p, either (apart from 24PsF, which is embedded in 60i). No native 24 or 25p, though.
Randy Strome February 28th, 2008, 09:57 PM A couple more that appear to. I like the waveform and vs on the first though.
http://www.lcdracks.com/monitors/vr70phdsdi.html
http://www.lcdracks.com/monitors/v-lcd84sb-afhd.html
Alex Raskin February 28th, 2008, 11:40 PM Paul, how do you get better slo-mo in 1080i compared to 720p60?
The 60p stuff I have seen is without equal.
I'm not Paul, but I'm sure he uses the old trick of *interpreting fields as frames*.
This doubles the length of the footage (at the expense of the resolution), and allows for a very quick and good looking (artifact-free) half-speed slo-mo.
Tim Polster February 29th, 2008, 08:41 AM Thanks.
I still don't see how 60 fields is better than 60 frames.
And on the topic of monitors.
I don't understand why all of these LCD monitors are so expensive when their resoultion seems low to me.
Computer LCD monitors (while I know are mass produced and are not as special as broadcast monitors) have been high resolution and costing in the low hundreds for a long time.
I would rate focus and exposure as being the most important elements for a preview monitor. And this seems pretty obtainable with a computer LCD, it's just that they are all A/C and often too large for location work.
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