Ok, I grabbed one my clips from Halloween that was shot 24F and captured in FCP 5.1.2. Little background info... Using FCP Easy Setup 1080p24, clip was captured using Capture Now from inside FCP's capture window, and was captured to a file using the Apple HDV codec.

Cinema Tools reports the fps to be 23.98. I took a snapshot and posted it here:

http://www.realm.cc/upload/crhoads/Picture%201.png

Out of all the 24F captured footage that I've got on my drive right now, I checked about 7 different clips, and they all report 23.98 fps.



*Edit : Goofed on which codec is being used. Fixed.*

Curtis,

I wonder if making that an uncompressed HD file at 23.98 fps, if someone could take that to a post-house and put it on HDCAM or DVCPro HD?

heath

ps-That shot was scary-looking. nice!

Yes, this is what we went though. If shot, captured via Final Cut 24f and played out 24P via a Kona (only one we tested), it will be true 24P into a SONY deck.

If it's output directly from camera to the deck (via component or HD SDI), it will be read as 60i.

I'm trying to figure out why it's packaged in a 60i stream ONLY out HD SDI...

heath

Curtis,

Right-click on a captured 24F clip and select Cinema Tools, then select analyze clip. Does it say 24p, 23.98 fps, 24F or 29.97 fps? If it's 29.97 fps, see if you can conform it to 23.98 fps or at least remove the pulldown, if there is one (and it's 29.97 fps). Try outputting it from FCP as a 23.98 fps QT Movie or QT Conversion.

Let us know what happens.

thanks,

heath

I've just finished filming with 24f in SD, not HD, on the Canon A1 and can't seem to capture without interlacing. Is it possible FCP is only reading 24f with HD footage? I'm going to try the above, but on the chance anyone can answer why I'm having this problem, gonna give a shout for help.

Thanks!

take a look at page 41 in the manual, it does a good visual job of illustrating what's going on with the various frame modes. Basically, a true 24p signal is only recorded in HDV mode. SD goes to tape in an interlaced signal with either a standard 2:3 pulldown or a 2:3:3:2 mode which I believe would be equivalent to panasonic's 24p advanced mode - so you'd want to use the second mode if you plan to edit the footage as 24p in FCP, there's a lot of good info about this here (scroll down pretty far for the Final Cut Pro settings):

http://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage/24p_in_FCP_nattress.html

Funny enough that's what I came up with, mostly by accident. Thanks for the tip in the manuel. Will def give it a read.

OK....just got a new A1 and now I am trying to figure out the proper settings for capture and editing 30f in FCP.

I'm sure someone has already done this....so would you care to share your settings for capture and also your timeline settings for editing.

THANKS!!!

I just tried 30F for the first time. Captured fine on 1080i60 easy setup on the sony firewire setting. FCP 5.1.2, capturing from camera. 1080i60 timeline. Looks beautiful and looks progressive. Frame grabs have no scan lines and no strobing. Don't understand how it works, but it's cool.

I just tried 30F for the first time. Captured fine on 1080i60 easy setup on the sony firewire setting. FCP 5.1.2, capturing from camera. 1080i60 timeline. Looks beautiful and looks progressive. Frame grabs have no scan lines and no strobing. Don't understand how it works, but it's cool.

I thought 30f captures progressively like 1080p30?

I bought my A1 and tried importing some test footage to my imovie hd and it wont support my camera. It says it's inaccesible. Why is that if the camera is HD and so is the program. It wanted me to down convert it or something so it's not HD but I want it to be all HD when i import it and not look stretched and crappy. I tried switching to final cut pro and tried importing my footage on that and I had to go into signal setup and switch it to PLAYBACK STD: AUTO OR DV not HDV. I just want to import my footage the way it is on the camera without stretching it so much or making it look way worse on the program. What should I do?

Moved from Canon XH to NLE Mac.

On FCP, make sure your device control is set to HDV and your sequence preset is set to HDV 1080 60i or 24p to capture. I've captured footage today that was shot at both 1080i60 and 1080p24 and it works great with FCP.

What settings are you using now? go to FCP menu > audio/video settings

EDIT - I just checked my FCP and forgot I made a custom device control preset for the A1 when shooting 1080 24F. Here are the settings:

Protocol: HDV FireWire
Time Source: DV Time
Frame Rate: 24

My capture preset is 'HDV' and my sequence preset is 'HDV - 1080p24'. When I capture 60i I use the device control 'HDV FireWire' and the sequence preset 'HDV - 1080i60'... and have no trouble. Hope this helps

hey thank you for replying. I am going over my FCP Setting and trying to do what you told me but all it has is HDV- 1080i50, 1080i60, and 720p30 as far as capturing in HD. I dont know why it doesnt have 1080i24 like you said. I'm gonna keep trying stuff. thanks so much for the help though. Any other thoughts about imovie? I have imovie HD and would like to edit on that but it wont let me. Is there a plugin or something I can get to upload my HD Footage because it is imovie HD which is weird..

Oh yea, forgot to mention you need the 5.1.2 Crossgrade upgrade for $50. You need to get it before March though because I think the price will go up. Trust me, its well worth the $50, especially since this will let you use your A1 with it

http://www.apple.com/universal/crossgrade/

Dean,

I can import from my XH A1 in iMovie without a problem. It works on both my Mac Mini and Macbook Pro (both Intel). Maybe you need to check for updates of your iMovie?
You also need to make your project a 1080i project. Whenever I now connect my camera and iMovie is up, the camera gets detected.

Quote: "Any other thoughts about imovie? I have imovie HD and would like to edit on that but it wont let me"

Capture with HDVXHD. Use MPEGstreamclip to convert m2t file to Quicktime Apple Intermediate Codec. Import Clip into imovie.

Hey James
Sorry that was really confusing. I'm not sure I follow. I don't want to go through a process of down converting my footage. I just want it to go straight from my HD Camera to Imovie HD the way it is. Do i need a certain fire-wire cuz mine is kinda old. I'm not sure.

Hey James,
Sorry that was really confusing. I'm not sure I follow. I don't want to go through a process of down converting my footage. I just want it to go straight from my HD Camera to Imovie HD the way it is. Do i need a certain fire-wire because mine is kinda old but I'm really not sure. My footage is 1080i by the way.

Hey James,
Sorry that was really confusing. I'm not sure I follow. I don't want to go through a process of down converting my footage. I just want it to go straight from my HD Camera to Imovie HD the way it is. Do i need a certain fire-wire because mine is kinda old but I'm really not sure. My footage is 1080i by the way.

Hey James,
Sorry that was really confusing. I'm not sure I follow. I don't want to go through a process of down converting my footage. I just want it to go straight from my HD Camera to Imovie HD the way it is. Do i need a certain fire-wire because mine is kinda old but I'm really not sure. My footage is 1080i by the way.

Sorry about all those reply's! My computer is acting up. Sorry about that

It looks like imovie doesn't support the Canon XH series right now.

damn that really sucks because I am so used to imovie. Are you sure it's not because my fire-wire is old and may need a new one or something like an HD fire-wire? I also want to transfer all my footage into FCP without down converting it. I just want it to go straight into FCP as HD. What do i do?

So far, I can't get anything into Final Cut Pro or Imovie from the A1 except SD. or using HDVXDV.

http://www.hdvxdv.com/

http://www.squared5.com/

Final Cut Pro is the only NLE for mac that supposedly works with the A1, I believe. May have to try a reinstall of OSX as noted in another thread.

In 60i HD the A1 should work on any apple NLE, your problem is most likely using 24f which only final cut pro supports.

In 60i HD the A1 should work on any apple NLE, your problem is most likely using 24f which only final cut pro supports.

Also note that only version 5.1.2 supports the 24F mode on the A1. I'm not sure about which version of FCP supports the 60i, but my guess would be at least 5.0.

I need help. I guess imovie does not work with the A1. Am I correct?

and

I tried using FCP 5 but it does not give me any options on 1080i24p just 50 and 60. Nothing about 24. I shoot in 24f and I need to edit my footage badly. Is there a FCP Upgrade for free I can get because I just have FCP 5 and just want my HD FOOTAGE TO GO DIRECTLY INTO FCP WITHOUT DOWN CONVERTING IT. I want the same quality and not stretch it out on FCP. But if any one at all knows anything about imovie and why it wont work please help! Its urgent! thanks!

-dean

I have had success using my iMovie with A1 on 30F, but I haven't tried 24F with it. What is the issue? is it just not detecting the camera?
in FCP you want to use the setting for HDV 1080p24 and put it on 'FireWire basic' for capture. I think you may need 5.1.2, but go ahead and try it out...the A1 didnt' show up on the supported device list until that version of FCP.
Unfortunately, FCP 5.1.2 is a 50 dollar cross grade that needs to be mailed in and it takes a few weeks.
Hope you can get it working! - Jim

Dean, as we mentioned in your post in the Mac forum, you will need 5.1.2 if you want to use FCP to capture your hi-def 24F directly from the camera. There's no download that I know of... I filled out the form, mailed them a check and my FCP installation CDs, and within a week or two I received my 5.1.2. They only send you the electronic manuals too, so you don't get re-printed ones for 5.1.2.

My 5.1.2 works great with all the footage the A1 can dish out. I've captured 24F, 30F, and 60i with no problems or rendering issues. Device control works great too.

From what I understand the 1080p24 option doesn't even show up without 5.1.2. You might be able to create your own custom setting, but I'm not sure how that would work.

It's $49 plus tax, offer ends March 19 2007:
http://www.apple.com/universal/crossgrade/

You'll need this form:
http://images.apple.com/universal/crossgrade/pdf/FCS_Crossgrade.pdf

Sorry, can't help you with iMovie

It's true the 24P HDV setting only comes up with 5.1.2. We bought the crossgrade, installed it, then downloaded the free upgrade to 5.1.2 and it works great.

- and support on iPhone will be unleashed next! ;-)

How about FCP6.iphone? Edit on your iPhone.

thanks guys. Just i borrowed final cut pro 5 from a friend so i dont know if it is like an illegal software and if i spend the money on the 5.1.2 for 50 bucks I want it to work for my FCP. I hear imovie HD works with 60i on the A1. Is that true? I really just wanted imovie to work with 24f because now i have to completely learn FCP and get rid of all the stuff I know about imovie. Kinda bummed about that. Thanks though for the help!

$50 is chicken feed compared to the $4000 XH A1. Small price to pay for the FCP upgrade. It costs more than that just to fill the gas tank on my Sierra.

I can fill the tank almost 3 times on my Scion for that:).

Yeah, but you can't pull a 7,000 lb. horse trailer with a Scion. Not easily anyway!

True, but the horse could pull the Scion.

Now that's what I call economical.

i just bought the canon a1 i have final cut pro
however it is an older version
thanks to this site i found out about the upgrade and for $199 i am getting
the whole studio package great deal.
in the mean time i have used i movie capturing 24f 30f and 60i
and have had no trouble.
i am not sure if on playback in imovie it is true 24f but
the video looks amazing!!! I am using the B&W preset found on this forum
shot 24f its breathtaking
I am using the latest version of i movie and checking my mail every day waiting for my new version of final cut pro

Richard,
Can you name the steps you do on imovie because My A1 does not want to take it. I have to make it "dv" instead of "hdv" or something and it automatically letterbox's everything which makes importing take hours. What are your settings?!?!

i just launch i movie the latest version that is running
on my G5
I have my camcorder on vcr and plugged in via firewire to the
G5
Imovie gives me the blue screen "camera connected"
I than hit import and the video gets imported correctly
on the top of the window it even say 1080 60i
make sure you are running the latest version of imovie
no tricks it worked the first time
My final cut pro doesn't recognize the camera at all.
I just recieved the FP upgrade in the mail today and will try it out over the next few days
good luck

I don't use FCP, but I've seen several people on this forum mention it takes "too long" to capture downconverting from the A1 (well they say "import", but I'm assuming they're just using wrong terminology). How can it take longer than realtime? Clue me in please.

Bill

It looks like imovie doesn't support the Canon XH series right now.
Yes it does.
I got a MacMini and MacBook Pro (both Intel) and iMovie detects my XHA01 without a glitch. I can use the controls to make the A1 rewind and such.

It looks like imovie doesn't support the Canon XH series right now.
Yes it does.
I got a MacMini and MacBook Pro (both Intel) and iMovie detects my XHA01 without a glitch. I can use the controls to make the A1 rewind and such.

PS: I live in PAL land and the 50i and 25f get imported without a problem

I just tried 30F for the first time. Captured fine on 1080i60 easy setup on the sony firewire setting. FCP 5.1.2, capturing from camera. 1080i60 timeline. Looks beautiful and looks progressive. Frame grabs have no scan lines and no strobing. Don't understand how it works, but it's cool.

I wanted to ask if you have any problems using the 1080i60 Easy Setup for editing 30F footage in Final Cut 5.1.2. I have done the same, but am worried that it is too good to be true. Thanks, Hugh.

I've done four projects now in 30F on a 1080i60 timeline with no problems. It looks and smells like progressive, so I don't know how it works. Movement looks a lot nicer on 30F.

I just shot with the Canon XL H1 both 60i and 24f...and for the LIFE of me FCP would not see this camera. The computer would, I saw it in the system profiler. But no matter what HDV setting I chose (I chose them ALL) FCP would not see this camera. SO I ended up capturing at DVCPRO HD via my Kona LH. But I wanted to see it at its native resolution.

Now, I did notice a little loss of detail at 24F compared to 60i. You guys notice that? And I read a review on CNET.com that says that shooting in progressive mode you lose HALF of your resolution...it throws away fields of information to shoot FAKE progressive frames:

http://reviews.cnet.com/Canon_XL_H1/4505-6500_7-31556313.html

"...the Canon XL H1 cannot record true progressive video in either HD or SD. That's a real disadvantage for those going for a cinematic look. The XL H1 does offer a pseudo-progressive shooting option, which Canon calls Frame Mode, in 30- and 24-frame-per-second varieties. Unfortunately, while Frame Mode provides identical motion quality to that of progressive video, it results in a significant loss of vertical resolution."

Now, this camera at 60i puts out AMAZING imagry. I was having a blast shooting my kids playing, and hanging out at the Griffith Observatory (in LA).

Still, I would liked to have captured as HDV, but I couldn't get FCP to recognize it. FCP 5.1.2.

I've done four projects now in 30F on a 1080i60 timeline with no problems. It looks and smells like progressive, so I don't know how it works. Movement looks a lot nicer on 30F.

Thanks for the response. I have tried every test I could think of to confirm that the footage is in fact full frame once exported from Final Cut. It appears to be working perfectly.
The only snag I have encountered is when I first "Log & Capture" the 30F footage using the 1080i60 Easy Setup the new clip shows up in my browser as having an "Upper" field dominance. Does yours? All I have done is change the field dominance of the 1080i60 sequence to "None", and saved the configuration as an "Easy Setup". When the 30F clip ("Upper" field dominence) is placed in the custom 1080i60 sequence (field dominence "None") and is then exported to Compressor it is recognized as "Progressive" rather than "Upper".
Thanks, Hugh

OK....just got a new A1 and now I am trying to figure out the proper settings for capture and editing 30f in FCP.

I'm sure someone has already done this....so would you care to share your settings for capture and also your timeline settings for editing.

THANKS!!!

Have you had any luck capturing and editing 30F using Final Cut? I tried using the 1080i60 Easy Setup and it seems to work well. When I drop a interlaced clip into the 1080i60 sequence the interlacing is very apparent at the edges of objects, but when I drop the 30F clip into the 1080i60 sequence there is no interlacing and the footage looks truly full frame. I wish someone out there knew the definitive answer to capturing and editing 30F in Final Cut 5.1.2.

Thanks, Hugh