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Craig Waddell
January 10th, 2008, 01:39 AM
I have been noticing a problem with my Ex-1 that I feel is a much worse problem than vignetting. If you look closely at all four corners of the attached jpeg, I think you may agree that I'm getting some VinDieseling. Has anybody else been experiencing similar problems?

Paul Joy
January 10th, 2008, 04:23 AM
Apparently Sony are aware of the issue and have sent a special rack out to each country that will allow the technicians to remove the VinDieseling.

Does he still appear with OIS off?

;)

Piotr Wozniacki
January 10th, 2008, 05:05 AM
Guys, English not being my first language - could you explain the joke to me? "VinDieseling" doesn't ring any bell other than "driving a vintage diesel 1924 Mercedes" :)

Phil Bloom
January 10th, 2008, 05:49 AM
I have spoken to my dealer about this issue and he says it is specific to the continental US and Canada, thankfully.

I would advise anyone suffering from this issue to contact their dealers immediately. It could have been worse, at least you can zoom in a bit and lose his chrome dome.

How did this slip through the Sony QC?

Christopher Witz
January 10th, 2008, 07:38 AM
Sony contacted me about this and said they have a "fast and furious" fix for it.

Ian Smith
January 10th, 2008, 09:07 AM
I was wondering how long it would be before that problem reared its "ugly head".

Alas the Sony fix mentioned above doesn't work: because it re-introduces the vignetting problem: mine now appears to be "Pitch Black" at the corners.

Greg Boston
January 10th, 2008, 09:11 AM
Guys, English not being my first language - could you explain the joke to me? "VinDieseling" doesn't ring any bell other than "driving a vintage diesel 1924 Mercedes" :)

That is the name of an action movie actor who's head appears in the corner of the frame in that post above.

-gb-

Piotr Wozniacki
January 10th, 2008, 09:12 AM
Thanks, Greg :)

Greg Patch
January 10th, 2008, 09:37 AM
your EX-1 is living it's life 10fps at a time

Chris Forbes
January 10th, 2008, 01:35 PM
I have been noticing a problem with my Ex-1 that I feel is a much worse problem than vignetting. If you look closely at all four corners of the attached jpeg, I think you may agree that I'm getting some VinDieseling. Has anybody else been experiencing similar problems?

I belive that is the new anti-p*rn feature on the EX1. Have you been shooting any "XXX" features with this

Ali Husain
January 10th, 2008, 03:19 PM
I have been noticing a problem with my Ex-1 that I feel is a much worse problem than vignetting. If you look closely at all four corners of the attached jpeg, I think you may agree that I'm getting some VinDieseling. Has anybody else been experiencing similar problems?

more proof that the hvx200 has a better image... er wait, was that the hv20?

:)

Leo Versola
January 10th, 2008, 07:09 PM
HA HA! ROTF -- LMFAO!!!! Whew, that was good :-)

Definitely needed some humor like this to take the edge off all the super serious banter and debate that's been going on all over about the EX1. And as a first post, it's absolutely classic...

Charles Papert
January 10th, 2008, 08:15 PM
Love it, guys!

Peter Moretti
January 10th, 2008, 09:12 PM
Dude, I have a pretty simple workaround that you might want to use, instead of having to part with your beloved EX1.

Use the Brevis CF1 diffuser (NOT the CF1L) with the Letus flip module (NOT the Brevis one) this will add enough native vignetting to compete with the VinDieseling.

Attach an iridium core magnet (you can get them off of eBay under the NASA section) to flip the image so you can lookout for inverted VinDieseling, which is a royal PITA.

Capture using a gnu licensed app called something split or dub (I'll get back to you later with the name) b/c Vin isn't down with the public domain. Import into a Media Composer v2.5x (but not later b/c of a lack of Celeron support) 1080 24p timeline with a pulldown. The VinDieseling will now be on every fourth frame. Render out as Quicktime Animation and bring it into an After Effects RGB color space (one of the great things about Adobe). Applying AE's anti-vignetting filter, which will insure that any Vin's not pulldown by Avid will be essentially unnoticeable to the viewer. Render as lossless AVI. Import into DVFilmaker or TMPGEnc Xpress 4.0 to remove the pulldowned, non-inverted, RGB, de-vignetted Vin Diesels and import into Vegas.

... Or you could just use Cineform.

P.S. Kudos to Craig :)!

Brian Ladue
January 10th, 2008, 11:14 PM
That's Hilarious! I needed a good laugh....thanks guys

Mike Williams
January 10th, 2008, 11:20 PM
I was fully expecting a serious problem :) Thanks for to all for the laughs :)

Mike

Chris Barcellos
January 10th, 2008, 11:46 PM
Actually, I think Pinnacle Studio has anti Vin Dieseling filters available. You can buy it for 29.95 as a plug in....

Don Greening
January 11th, 2008, 01:21 AM
I swore I wouldn't add to this but.........it must be the lower mainland air.

I've also been noticing an issue similar to the Vin Deiseling effect. The strange thing is that this is not happening all the time but only when shooting forest scenery. After contacting Sony Canada they confirmed the phenomenon, calling it the Vin-Yeti-ing effect. They also hastened to add that it'SNOW big deal and that they're working on a fix.

http://photoshare.shaw.ca/view/11998349073-1200033814-24044

- Don

ps ain't puns fun?

Peter Moretti
January 11th, 2008, 02:45 AM
LOL! Don. That Yeti really made me smile.

Craig Waddell
January 11th, 2008, 03:30 AM
Thanks for all the witty responses to my terrible problem. You guys made me laugh harder than I did when I was photoshopping in those four tiny Vin heads. As it was my first post, I was worried that folks might find it a bit "Riddick-ulous". Seriously though, I am hoping this post gives a good laugh to those people who did experience initial problems with lens vignetting. Others have had problems with backfocusing / clip transfer software / rolling shutter / duplicate clips in FCP / handheld ergonomics / colour banding / handle zoom stepping / camera firmware functionality etc. Hopefully, as a group we can quickly compile a clear and concise "wishlist of fixes" for Sony. I encourage everyone to read and possibly submit suggestions to the " FIRMWARE UPDATE WISH LIST" thread that was started by Craig Seeman. Enjoy your new cameras .... the work I've seen posted so far is awesome!

Chris Hurd
January 11th, 2008, 07:49 AM
Thanks a bunch for this thread, Craig -- we really needed it! Cheers,

Alan Bradley
January 19th, 2008, 05:59 PM
Funny!!!!!!

Dean Harrington
January 20th, 2008, 06:38 PM
Triple X has a solution!

Ron Little
January 20th, 2008, 06:58 PM
Make sure you follow the patch directions very carefully or you can end up with Pitch Black. Don’t worry if you do end up with Pitch Black you can always use the Black Compress mode. Under no circumstances use Black stretch with Pitch Black that could be dangerous!

Greg Voevodsky
January 21st, 2008, 01:51 AM
Glad this important thread wasn't closed. (Reminds me of the RED forum)... where bugs are more common than Vin Diesel's movies... sad on both accounts since I tend to like both great cars and cameras.... (actors?! Why isn't Vin in Rambo the remake?!) Isn't it a Sony Pic?