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Dan Keaton December 22nd, 2007, 08:47 PM I have a reasonable amount of experience with the Sennheiser MKH-60 with the full Rycote setup. I have the old style suspension. With this setup, I have no problems with handling noise.
I recently purchased the Schoeps CMC641 and a brand-new, but old style Rycote setup. I do not currently have a Schoeps Cut-1 filter.
I find this new setup to be extremely sensitive to handling noise. I am surprised by this, due to my experience with the MKH-60/Rycote setup.
If I reposition my hands, even just slightly, I can hear it in the audio. I am using a K-Tec graphite boom pole with an internally coiled cord.
If I just rotate my wrists (and not reposition my hands) there is no handling noise.
Is this normal, or could I have overlooked a setup problem with the suspension?
Will a Schoeps Cut-1 help?
I feel that the low cut filter built into the MKH-60 probably helps reduce or eliminate the handling noise.
Is there a better suspension that I could/should use?
Just to be clear, I love the Schoeps CMC641. I just used it on a four-day shoot and it was great. (I am using it with a Sound Devices 302 mixer.)
Jeffery Magat December 22nd, 2007, 09:46 PM I have a reasonable amount of experience with the Sennheiser MKH-60 with the full Rykote setup. I have the old style suspension. With this setup, I have no problems with handling noise.
I recently purchased the Schoeps CMC641 and a brand-new, but old style Rykote setup. I do not currently have a Schoeps Cut-1 filter.
I find this new setup to be extremely sensitive to handling noise. I am surprised by this, due to my experience with the MKH-60/Rykote setup.
If I reposition my hands, even just slightly, I can hear it in the audio. I am using a K-Tec graphite boom pole with an internally coiled cord.
If I just rotate my wrists (and not reposition my hands) there is no handling noise.
Is this normal, or could I have overlooked a setup problem with the suspension?
Will a Schoeps Cut-1 help?
I feel that the low cut filter built into the MKH-60 probably helps reduce or eliminate the handling noise.
Is there a better suspension that I could/should use?
Just to be clear, I love the Schoeps CMC641. I just used it on a four-day shoot and it was great. (I am using it with a Sound Devices 302 mixer.)
The CUT-1 does help, but nothing beats someone with quiet hands on a boom pole. A Rycote suspension should also be fine.
Seth Bloombaum December 22nd, 2007, 11:10 PM You might also try a pair of gloves, eg. the white cotton gloves sold at pro photography stores.
Daniel Epstein December 23rd, 2007, 10:30 AM Maybe I am too loud with my hands but I found the Schoeps to be very difficult to use for handheld boom work without the Cut 1 or using a lowcut on the mixer.
Marco Leavitt December 23rd, 2007, 08:29 PM You pretty much have to roll off the bass with the Scheops, at least I do. It's a very sensitive mic.
Dan Keaton December 24th, 2007, 03:15 PM Dear Jeffery, Seth, Daniel and Marco,
Thank you for your comments, I appreciate the feedback.
I feel that the Cut-1 will help. I never had any problem at all with the MKH-60, but it has a sharp low frequency cutoff.
I was wondering if it was my setup, or just inherent with the CMC641 since it is so sensitive. I was using it with the low-cut enabled on the SD 302.
Jeffery Magat December 24th, 2007, 03:56 PM Glad we could help.
Again, it will help, but in no way is it mandatory. Some mixers even refuse to use the CUT-1 because of the loss of low-end. That's the life of a boom op.
Marco Leavitt December 24th, 2007, 08:18 PM I've just been rolling off the base with the SoundDevices MM1 or the SD302. I don't think the Cut 1 is absolutely necessary, although I'd love to have one.
Ty Ford December 24th, 2007, 11:36 PM I
I recently purchased the Schoeps CMC641 and a brand-new, but old style Rycote setup. I do not currently have a Schoeps Cut-1 filter.
I find this new setup to be extremely sensitive to handling noise. I am surprised by this, due to my experience with the MKH-60/Rycote setup.
I've not used the MKH 60 on my carbon fiber boom, but I have and use a 416 as well as a cmc641. I use a Rycote donut. I find them equally noisy. I can't say if the MKH 60 is less sensitive.
Regards,
Ty Ford
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