For those who are interested, I've updated my Steadicam reel at www.charlespapert.com with some recent (i.e. since 2003!) clips.

What was really interesting this time was that the recent TV stuff I had saved on my HD Tivo, and was able to capture via HDMI and Intensity Pro as ProRes files, so down the road when HD demo reels are truly viable, I can be ready with those. In the meantime, they downrezzed very nicely.

Probably at some point I'll start collecting the various feature clips again in HD as the titles come out on HD/Blueray, and/or on the HD satellite channels.

Nice. This is the skill level that I aspire to reach.

Very impressive! Most of the footage looks like it has been filmed with a dolly or crane. How long does it take before your steadicam is adjusted to all the different camera's you are working with?
Thanks for sharing!

I think good steadicam footage adds so much to a production. That's some great work there, quite inspirational to say the least. I hope that one day, I can at least make an attempt at some of those moves that you make look so effortless.



Cheers

How long does it take before your steadicam is adjusted to all the different camera's you are working with?

I think if I am understanding you right, Derran, you are asking how long it takes to set up the rig with different cameras? It all depends--film cameras are usually somewhat predictable at this point (at least in LA) but HD is a "moving target" and often there are unique bits and pieces that require some extra prep time. I can roll in with my cart and be rigged and ready with a Panaflex Lightweight or XL in about half an hour, but a uniquely set up HD camera package might take twice that. I've had the RED camera on my rig twice now and the first time it took me pulling out some really obscure pieces of "lego" (rods, dogbones and bushings) to get things jerry-rigged.

Thanks, yes that's what I meant. :) Must be really difficult setting up the rig for these new cameras. They are loaded with all kinds of extras. Especially the RED camera, it looks so futuristic.

The difficulty comes in the fact that the extras are not tried and true yet. A company named Element Technica is in the process of building a whole line of brackets for RED that improve on the original system greatly, which will make the camera very Steadicam and handheld friendly in the near future.

The best defense is to have a wide array of "Lego" as I mentioned previously along with a collection of cables that can accommodate many types of power both in and out. I probably have $7-8K invested in that type of stuff alone, including custom parts and cables that I have had made over the years. If my whole rig was stolen, that would be the one case that would be the most difficult to replace.

Your reel was very inspiring Charles. How do they get the 'freeze' rotation appearing in two clips at the beginning of your reel? I imagine that is a post effect...

Mike Jensen

Not as much as it seems, Mike! The director wanted to attempt a "poor man's Matrix" effect by having the actors freeze while I rotated around them with the rig, then unfreeze at the end. They simply sped up the middle section. The ball is CGI of course, but that is the case with almost all of the ping pong in the movie. I thought it wouldn't work all that well but it turned out great and they used the effect 3 times in the movie. I just got the DVD the other day and will probably add a longer chunk of this into the reel, these clips were from the trailer on the Apple site (HD, no less!)

Pretty wild how far technology has come ... reels being produced in HD, from online trailers!


- Mikko

The reel isn't in HD yet, although I'll probably build the next version in HD (whenever that may be) especially once the majority of the footage I have from movies becomes available in an HD format on DVD. I like collecting new clips this way, it's inevitable so why not? Ironically it will be my DP reel that will suffer more, in that a number of the older projects on it will not be likely to get remastered in HD.

That's some good looking footage, I hadn't realized that you've shot some of my favorite shows and movies. Kind of neat to be able to say...hey, I've had conversations (virtual) with that guy. ;)

Charles, wonderful stuff...

And if I may, please allow me to pick your brain:

I always assumed a wireless FF was on every steadicam in higher dollar productions. But the closer I study really nice shots, it seems a lot of high dollar productions use a deep depth of field while a steadicam is flying and no Follow Focus at all - is this accurate? Or am I way off base?

Thanks for your feedback, and again love the footage - American History X is among my favorite films!

Lonnie

Lonnie:

It's safe to say that a wireless focus system is in use on every Steadicam shot in a "high dollar" situation--this assuming 35mm, 16mm or high-end HD. Regardless of whether there is a fair amount of depth of field evident, there's still focus pulling work to be done, even if it is not that apparent to the viewer. The difference between 5 feet and 7 feet on a 40mm lens at T2.8 is enough to appear soft, especially when projected.

I myself managed to get through my first 4 years as an operator on 16mm and video jobs without follow focus, but had to jump through a lot of hoops. These days I don't recommend it to any new operator; it should be the second purchase after the rig itself, followed by video transmitter and receiver.

Hey Charles,

We just bout the pilot and have started practicing with it. When we do live events, I was going to run with auto focus on. We run Sony Z1 and V1 cams. Does that sound about right. I can't see myself trying to focus via the cam, although my zoom controller has some ability. Thanks for responding to a noob question.

I always been curious if when flying with a "film" camera.... does the movement of the film itself cause any issues? like a gyro action or weight moving fore and aft?

The "History X" don Juan scene was unforgettable when I first saw it at release.... bravo!

As always Charles.... your work is truly at the top of the game! Whenever I read your posts I feel as if I'm peering into the heart of the movie industry! Plus, I get the feeling you'd be a hoot to party with!

Whenever some ludite argues of/at the existence of the internet... forums such as DVinfo are my weapon of choice!

Steven, you will be fine on either autofocus or leaving the lens fixed at 5 or 6 feet or so. I'd recommend the latter as it removes the possibility of the autofocus system opting to "hunt" if momentarily confused by something in the frame, however if your moves will take you into closeups then it may be necessary.

This is the time when the deep DoF of 1/3" imagers is a real advantage. It's not until you get into 2/3" chips that focus control becomes a consideration for most Steadicam moves, and then only the longer end of the lens.

Steven, you will be fine on either autofocus or leaving the lens fixed at 5 or 6 feet or so. I'd recommend the latter as it removes the possibility of the autofocus system opting to "hunt" if momentarily confused by something in the frame, however if your moves will take you into closeups then it may be necessary.

This is the time when the deep DoF of 1/3" imagers is a real advantage. It's not until you get into 2/3" chips that focus control becomes a consideration for most Steadicam moves, and then only the longer end of the lens.

Thanks Charles, I'll keep that in mind. We are very excited about the opportunities this device is going to open for us. As of now I'm still trying to find the extra muscle tone on EBAY to carry it for 5 hours or so. :}

I always been curious if when flying with a "film" camera.... does the movement of the film itself cause any issues? like a gyro action or weight moving fore and aft?

Fortunately the movement of the film is not enough to act as a gyro. Where the issues come in are in the displacement of the film through the mag; a traditional top-mounted mag displaces fore to aft, and in the case of a standard 400 ft load, this is around 4lbs of film moving perhaps 8" so it's not inconsiderable and would result in a front-to-back weight shift across 4 minutes. For this reason the camera manufacturers make back-mounted Steadicam mags that align the feed and takeup spools above each other (as can be seen in any production still) which have a nearly unnoticeable shift in the operating mass. Older cameras like the Arri BL series had coaxial mags in which the film migrated from side to side, which is especially annoying as it affects the roll axis. However, many great films like "The Shining" and "Goodfellas" were shot with these cameras, so it was surmountable, just undesirable!

Another factor with film cameras is the viewing; the image off the groundglass via the video tap is often smaller and has less resolution than a digital camera provides. These too have improved, with flicker-free taps and better contrast, but when I started out, they were often dismal. My first film job was done with an SRII with black and white tube tap, which smeared so badly under low light that doing a fast pan resulted in my losing all image until I settled onto a relatively still frame, so I was effectively operating blind for parts of the shot. Thankfully that sort of thing is long gone.

Thanks for the follow up Charles. I also was curious about the advantages of the smaller chips that video cams may offer with their inherent deep DoF, since a wireless FF is not in the budget... and you summed it up for me, nicely.

Thanks again,
Lonnie

Charles

I found the reel to be very inspiring when it comes to the use of the steadicam.

I now have a standard to aim for :)

A few questions concerning that wonderful long shot for "Big Fat Liar", and a few other points

How long did it take to rehearse that shot? After all there is the blocking, the lighting, the dialogue, along with the timing? Was there a few takes?

Do you feel that the popularity of steadicam shots that circle the talent can be overused to a degree? After all some shots you do give you the impression of walking along with the actors, listening to the dialogue. But you dont always walk around and around the people you are listening to.

As a cameraman/cinematographer, what is your decision process about when to use the Steadicam?

Take for example a foot chase scene like the one from "Point Break" which a large amount of the coverage of the two actors/stuntment was done with a steadicam. Do you feel that such a sequence would have been better served shot with handheld camera, as apposed to steadicam.

Oh dear, its a small essay of questions :(

Any answers you can give Charles, would be greatly appreciated.

I just pray we dont meet IRL, I would have so many questions, about shot composure, technical aspects of camera, steadicams :D

NIall

Charles,

This is some great footage and I appreciate your expertise. I love the movie Office Space, and my jaw dropped when I saw you filmed that steadicam footage. Even more of an inspiration to me now!

Thank you for your contributions and great work.

Peace and Blessings,
Danny Hidalgo

Thanks Danny. "Office Space" has become such a classic that I hear this sort of thing often--what's funny is that when the movie first came out, it was such a flop that I figured it was barely worth putting on the resume as no-one would recognize it. It took a few years, but now it's one of the first things I mention when people ask what I've worked on, because it's so beloved.

Charles
A few questions concerning that wonderful long shot for "Big Fat Liar", and a few other points

How long did it take to rehearse that shot? After all there is the blocking, the lighting, the dialogue, along with the timing? Was there a few takes?

The shot was supposed to be about half that length (and it appears so in the final film, this was the complete shot that was included in the deleted scenes on the DVD) but when we rehearsed it, the director and DP decided it would be fun to shoot it as one. I would guess that the setup (rehearsal, lighting, blocking) took maybe 3 hours and then we shot for maybe 2. I can't remember how many complete takes we did, but I think it was under 10. It was a really hot day and after 6 or 7 takes I had to start taking 10 minute breaks inbetween to cool off and catch my breath, it was a lot of ground! The final take was the one that was used. I can actually see myself "grinding down" by the very end--the operating gets a little sloppy! I've attached a short clip from the behind-the-scenes footage on the DVD.

Do you feel that the popularity of steadicam shots that circle the talent can be overused to a degree? After all some shots you do give you the impression of walking along with the actors, listening to the dialogue. But you dont always walk around and around the people you are listening to.

Roundy-rounds can certainly be overused. I know I've been asked to do them sometimes when I think it was just lazy filmmaking. But they can be quite powerful too. They are tricky because you have to make a lot of decisions about timing, when to hand off from one charater to the other, so you have to memorize all of the dialogue and make split-second adjustments in your walking speed if the actors improvise or change the timing on their delivery.

As a cameraman/cinematographer, what is your decision process about when to use the Steadicam?

Take for example a foot chase scene like the one from "Point Break" which a large amount of the coverage of the two actors/stuntment was done with a steadicam. Do you feel that such a sequence would have been better served shot with handheld camera, as apposed to steadicam.

I'm definitely no more likely to use the Steadicam when I'm DP'ing or directing than anyone else--I've shot plenty of projects without it, and I'm reluctant to go to it because it's faster or easier unless I have to (to save the schedule). Handheld is very popular these days but I'm not a big fan of a lot of it that I see, I'm pretty tired of that look overall but I will do it if that is what the project dictates. There is a certain energy about handheld vs Steadicam for chase scenes that is undeniable. It's interesting that you bring up "Point Break" as the Steadicam operator on that show was Jim Muro (now a successful DP), who is legendary for his ability to use Steadicam in a handheld style, very intense, athletic and full of fast pans and energy.

I just pray we dont meet IRL, I would have so many questions, about shot composure, technical aspects of camera, steadicams

Maybe I should be the one doing the praying??!!! No problem Niall, I'm happy to answer questions when I can. Thanks to the writer's strike I've been home on the computer a lot more lately...!

thankyou for the comprehensive replies, Charles

And as for the praying...yes! Be afraid, be very afraid :)