Thank You, Phil!

For 3 minutes and 35 Mb looks very nice!
And format is? QT, WMV or FLV?

Sulev

It is .mp4 compressed in h.264 about 1300 kbits a sec.

Here is an update version of my Protestant short with magic bullet grading...

Hi Phil,

As always your footage is fantastic. Something that made me laugh though - the final two shots of the clip are of the woman saying something to the effect of "My hopes are that my children follow religion the way I've followed.." and then it dissolves into that sped up footage of the sheep.

Was this a symbolic comment or just co-incidence?

-- John.

Phil, What are the swing tilt lenses you're using and how do you like them?

Phil, the Buddhist family story looks amazing, except two shots: one, with bicycle in the shot, another one with a yellow warning sign, (some blown highlights there), love the colors, was the lens wide open? It's probably the best stuff I've seen from 350. Makes me think of buying it instead of waiting for the Red One.
The protestant family has more problems with dynamic range, I could definetly notice more lost details in white, less dynamic range, less color, etc.
Great stories. Thanks again.
Could you post one image of Ex1 with letus in full res?

Hi Phil,

As always your footage is fantastic. Something that made me laugh though - the final two shots of the clip are of the woman saying something to the effect of "My hopes are that my children follow religion the way I've followed.." and then it dissolves into that sped up footage of the sheep.

Was this a symbolic comment or just co-incidence?

-- John.

Not at all! But I can see where you are coming from. If anyone could have interpreted it that way it should have been me given my thoughts...but no, it's more about the passage of time...through the years etc! worried me there though. I hope other people don't see it like that!

Phil, the Buddhist family story looks amazing, except two shots: one, with bicycle in the shot, another one with a yellow warning sign, (some blown highlights there), love the colors, was the lens wide open? It's probably the best stuff I've seen from 350. Makes me think of buying it instead of waiting for the Red One.
The protestant family has more problems with dynamic range, I could definetly notice more lost details in white, less dynamic range, less color, etc.
Great stories. Thanks again.
Could you post one image of Ex1 with letus in full res?

Thanks Oleg. It's actually more to do with grading. Both have very different grades.

I have attached a still from the Letus/ Ex1 combo that is ungraded. I am editing it tomorrow.

Thanks again for prompt response,
So the difference just in grading, do you mean you consider 350 and Ex1 comparable in all kinds of lighting situations?

Thanks again for prompt response,
So the difference just in grading, do you mean you consider 350 and Ex1 comparable in all kinds of lighting situations?

The EX1 is much more sensitive than the F350. The F350 is of course a better camera, but the EX1 is an impressive little beast. I am very happy with the results from it. More so that any other "small" camera I have used. It is the only camera of that type that I would consider using as an A camera when I could easily use the F350 instead.

Great! Look forward to see some more footage, possibly you could post few seconds in 2K?
regards, Oleg.

Great! Look forward to see some more footage, possibly you could post few seconds in 2K?
regards, Oleg.

2k of what?

2k of what?

Now, this is a good one... A true artist vs. us -measurebators.

PS. Oleg, I meant no offence - I'm a technology-obsessed quirk myself:)

I meant 1080 by 1920 of EX1 footage, possibly wide shot with detail, street, field, etc.

I have posted stills on this thread.

I understand why but it's east to become obsessed with numbers and forget about why we use the cameras in the first place but don't forget numbers and stats aren't what it's all about!!

http://vtokyo.ddo.jp/~pro/ex1a1.html

Ariel,
I don't at all follow your rez tests.
The sample charts were shot at an angle.
Also, they were not set up correctly to the correct marks; therefore,
the tests do not mean anything. In fact the HV20 was shot a lot wider FOV.
????????????????

it is not my site.

Sorry, then I'm not sure why you posted it.
Take a look at the large rez charts.. LOL... They're shot on an angle all at
different field of views.
Very strange.

I meant 1080 by 1920 of EX1 footage, possibly wide shot with detail, street, field, etc.

*ahem*

sorry to knit-pick, but. . .

2k != 1920x1080
2k = 2048x1080

What I am really curious about is the EX1s 24p. What is the pulldown? Are we talking something akin to what Adam Wilt refers to as (http://www.adamwilt.com/24p/#24pRecording) "24p Standard" (a la Panasonic DVX200 24p) or "24p Advanced" (a la DVX2000 24pA)?

If I'm going to be going out to film and want the easiest path in conforming to true 24fps, is this camera a contender (excellent image quality aside)?

sorry to knit-pick, but...
2k != 1920x1080
2k = 2048x1080Knit-picking is never a good idea on this site.

The difference between 1080p and 2K is so minimal that they may as well be synonymous terms, and sometimes for all practical purposes they are, as far as we're concerned here. Hope this helps,

Mike,

There is no pulldown the EX1 for 24p in the HQ mode, recorded to SxS card (the mode you most certainly would want to use if you are outputting to film).

The camera records a pure 24 frames (actually 23.976, but let's not get nitpicky) per second to the card - no pulldown.

"Advanced" or "standard" would only apply to a camera that was trying to shoehorn 24p into an existing 29.97 fps video format, such as DV tape.

My bandwith is getting used up again! My site will be down again in a couple of days at this rate! Just to warn anyone if they see it disappears again!

Hey Phil,

Thanks for donating your time and effort in sharing all your XDCAMEX experiences with us. It's definitely useful - I've been reading your blog avidly and will be buying the camera (and some of the lenses you suggested) next year.

Cheers!

ps. I live in Alaska, my parents live in Lochcarron, close to the Isle of Skye. How close is that to the Protestant's family's place?

Knit-picking is never a good idea on this site.

The minimal difference between 1080p and 2K is so utterly inconsequential that they may as well be synonymous terms, and for all practical purposes they are, as far as we're concerned here. Hope this helps,

I actually think it is important to use the correct terminology. Small differences can lead to very large, costly mistakes. I've seen a whole film have to be re-telecined because of a mix up with 24 fps and 25 fps. 2K is technically different to 1920x1080 and should always be denoted as such even if the visual difference is inconsequential.

In this circumstance it might not matter but there are plenty of occasions when it will.

Agreed - there is a negligible quality difference between HD and 2k, and no difference in terms of the discussion here.

But a big difference between the two standards which can lead to costly mistakes (when digitizing film for example) is aspect ratio. 2k is considered to be a 1.33 aspect ratio format (2048x1536) whereas 1920 is, of course, 1.78.

But let's not get too far off-topic.

For Mike and Eric -- excellent points all around; thanks. Back we go to Phil's original topic. Much appreciated,

Mike,

There is no pulldown the EX1 for 24p in the HQ mode, recorded to SxS card (the mode you most certainly would want to use if you are outputting to film).

The camera records a pure 24 frames (actually 23.976, but let's not get nitpicky) per second to the card - no pulldown.

"Advanced" or "standard" would only apply to a camera that was trying to shoehorn 24p into an existing 29.97 fps video format, such as DV tape.

Great! That's what I was hoping to hear. Many thanks.

Hi,

I have been really blown away by the short Piccadilly Furs that you shot Phil. After seeing this I had absolutely no doubts about my order of both the EX1 and the 35mm adapter :) So thank you!

Im used to working on film and haven't done much color correction (except sitting next to a guy and telling him what I want) in telecine transfers. So I know what I want things to look like. But my understanding is very limited in how to acchieve it in the digital world.

What Im interested in is how do you get the highligts, the overexposed parts to look so good? Is it just Magic Bullet or what?

I noticed that on only one shot in Piccadilly Furs you can see the kind of "bad overexposure" you see so much on tv and digital video. It's the shot just before the middle where Lou goes "Severin, severin awaits you there" that has the afro-american guy reading papers and on the background you see a blonde haired woman in a white fluffy coat. This to me has that video quality overexposed feeling.

I exported a still image to Photoshop and the rgb values are 235,235,235. Cause I first thought that maybe the idea is not to use extreme whites, more like values 234 and so on. But looking at every other overexposed images in Piccadilly Furs I see they also have values of 235,235,235 and they look amazing.

Sorry for the long post and if this seems very obvious to people. Im really keen on learning the art and would really appreaciate answers from anyone.

Thanks!!

Sami

Hey Phil,

Thanks for donating your time and effort in sharing all your XDCAMEX experiences with us. It's definitely useful - I've been reading your blog avidly and will be buying the camera (and some of the lenses you suggested) next year.

Cheers!

ps. I live in Alaska, my parents live in Lochcarron, close to the Isle of Skye. How close is that to the Protestant's family's place?

Not that far I don't think. My bandwidth has gone again! So apologies for the downtime. It will be five days before I am allowed to put it up again.

Hi,

I have been really blown away by the short Piccadilly Furs that you shot Phil. After seeing this I had absolutely no doubts about my order of both the EX1 and the 35mm adapter :) So thank you!

Im used to working on film and haven't done much color correction (except sitting next to a guy and telling him what I want) in telecine transfers. So I know what I want things to look like. But my understanding is very limited in how to acchieve it in the digital world.

What Im interested in is how do you get the highligts, the overexposed parts to look so good? Is it just Magic Bullet or what?

I noticed that on only one shot in Piccadilly Furs you can see the kind of "bad overexposure" you see so much on tv and digital video. It's the shot just before the middle where Lou goes "Severin, severin awaits you there" that has the afro-american guy reading papers and on the background you see a blonde haired woman in a white fluffy coat. This to me has that video quality overexposed feeling.

I exported a still image to Photoshop and the rgb values are 235,235,235. Cause I first thought that maybe the idea is not to use extreme whites, more like values 234 and so on. But looking at every other overexposed images in Piccadilly Furs I see they also have values of 235,235,235 and they look amazing.

Sorry for the long post and if this seems very obvious to people. Im really keen on learning the art and would really appreaciate answers from anyone.

Thanks!!

Sami

Not so sure about all the technical details. To be honest what I do is very untechnical. I see an image, I shoot it and make it look as good to my eye in the viewfinder/ lcd as I can. A lot of it is second nature, but this was my first play with the ex1 so I had no idea how it would turn out. Magic Bullet looks helps a lot with perfecting the look.

I tend to always underexpose by half a stop. That gives me more options in post.

Hey Phil,

first of all your work is great, obviously great shots, but also great sense of timing and pace to your cuts.

I had a question regarding the grade on the protestant story. did you add a blur gradient/vingette around some of the shots to 'fake" shallow DOF? I recall you saying you shot it without your 35mm adapter...so wondered if this was how you generated it in post to direct attention in the frame.

I hope Sony and Letus are hooking you up....your work is a strong case for what can be achieved when mixing talent with their products.

hope your site is back online again soon....your blog is very interesting reading.

Cheers Paul

Nothing from Sony! Letus have been brilliant with customer service with me when I broke my extreme. Got a replacement to me within two days! I now have a backup one, so have two!

I used swing/ tilt and edge focus in magic bullet to create the mock shallow DOF. A very very effective tool.

Thanks also for kind comments, I often get comments about the shots but it's rare to get comments on the editing, something which is often overlooked. It is as much my passion as shooting.

My blog isn't updated but got it back up!

http://www.philipbloom.co.uk/Philip_Bloom/Blooms_Blog/Entries/2007/12/14_Blog_5.html

You can see it as part of my blog. It's called "Kew Gardens in Winter"

Shot using the EX1 and Letus Extreme with loads of lenses!

Inspiring stuff, Philip, as I've come to expect. Can't wait for more.

Thank you. I love going out and just filming these little things. It's all in my own time but the end results make it worthwhile and London has so many rich places to film.

Phil: In a couple of shots, there is a very attractive circular darkening around the outside edge of the image...I'm thinking of the low-angle pan across the silver plants in particular.

Was this the dreaded vignetting, or a deliberate postproduction effect? I noticed it on several other images, almost like a circular grad filter.

Do you ever get releases from any of the folks who appear, or do these private films never get released?

Lovely choices of music on all your work!

Phillip

Really great of you to take the time to post your findings and the shorts. I thank you for the invaluable insights. Had a couple of questions: in the Picadilly clip, in the portraits, the eyes are sharp but the rest of the face soft. What's going on there? Also was wondering if you've gotten the EX 1 to work with your Brevis yet?

thanks again, hope to see more-

Bill: The vignette is done is post. I don't get releases as these are not for broadcast.

Mark: It's swing/ tilt effect on the faces. It was actually done in post as I waiting for my actual swing tilt lens, which has now arrived so I can do it for real.

Phil that video was nothing short of amazing.....Thank you for posting it!!!!!!!!!!!

Another great one in every regard. I've been told mine will be here next week, hopefully EARLY next week.

Obviously your busy Phil but when ya have a mo would be ever grateful if you could get to my email. Thanks! =)

- Ray

sorry Raymond. Completely forgot to reply. Normally I reply straight away. Think I was shooting when it came through.

Tell me what you want to know and I will do my best in giving advice!

better version in 720p now linked on the blog. Less compression

Phil- have you decided upon a format with the EX that you find gives you the "BEST" settings, such as shooting in 720 or 1080 or 25fps vers 60P that you can share.

Phil,

Love your videos on your blog. I am beginning to really warm up to the EX-1. However, one doubt still exists and that is how the HQ mode 35mbs VR will hold up with extreme motion. Can you post any fast moving water scenes (rivers, fountains, ocean, birds in flight). Your efforts are much appreciated.

there is some fast moving stuff in my short film using the ex1 clean. You can see it here http://aerialsfilm.com/bloom/protestantsnewgrade720.mp4

it's only rivers and stuff. I really have had no problems with the codec. Also check out this: http://www.philipbloom.co.uk/Philip_Bloom/Nature_Shorts.html#0

It's a short of a sunset in Cornwall. It is a shame you can't see a 1080p version of this. It's quite stunning. The most beautiful thing i have shot. It was shot on the big XDCAM HD F350 but it's the same codec, albeit CCD but slightly lower resolution. The MP4 compression does it no favours and it is slightly blocky. I must get a 720p done for you to see. The XDCAM code is so impressive. I shot all my HD stuff with it now, with HDV as B camera. I don't miss DVCPro hd. I don't miss the huge file sizes, i don't miss the tiny P2 card capacity and I don't miss the softer lower quality images.

edit: I will be posting a 720p version of Sunset so can see how the XDCAM codec deals with fast moving stuff. It will be up with the half hour.

Phil- have you decided upon a format with the EX that you find gives you the "BEST" settings, such as shooting in 720 or 1080 or 25fps vers 60P that you can share.

Always 1080p. Compared to that the 720 pales. I always shoot 25fps as its the only option in 1080p and I hate interlace. It looks cheap!

Always 1080p. Compared to that the 720 pales. I always shoot 25fps as its the only option in 1080p and I hate interlace. It looks cheap!

I agree with you 1080/25p sounds like the best option for us, PAL users. But... the BD specs don't support 25p! What is your idea of the best delivery method? Thanscoding in post to the closest thing - 1080/24p - doesn't make much sense with the EX1, as it can shoot this format in the first place!

Hi Piotr

My main aim is for UK broadcast and that is 25p. Blu ray delivery is not at the top of my list, especially since I still can't burn actually projects for use in domestic players with my mac pro yet.

check out http://aerialsfilm.com/bloom/sunset1080.divx in about half an hour it should be uploaded. shot on the f350 but it shows how well the codec can handle fast moving water.

thanks to maxim again for hosting. i owe you a beer!

Phil,
kew whole.mp4 excellent film....REALLY.
Soundtrack.Who is the author?