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John Edgar October 22nd, 2007, 02:01 PM I'm pretty new to wedding industry, and actually a photographer by trade however I am getting into video. I am always looking for inspiration.
I'm curious to know who you would rate the top 5 (In no particular order) leaders in the industry right now re: wedding videography?
Thanks so much for your time.
John.
Patrick Moreau October 22nd, 2007, 02:50 PM You may want to clarify the criteria your looking at. Are you wondering who produces really innovative and visually attractive work, what about emotional depth, or the complete other end with financial or business success? While there is often some overlap, I think you will find that those at the top of any criteria may not necessarily be at the top of another.
EventDV magazine does an annual top 25 most influential videographers internationally which is voted on by their readers. I believe you can find that list on their website.
Patrick
John Edgar October 22nd, 2007, 03:12 PM I'd like to know who the favorites are, it doesn't matter to me why you like them.. I just want to know who's work you enjoy the most.
Warren Kawamoto October 22nd, 2007, 03:24 PM My 2 favs are
Jeff & Andee Wright blueskiescinema.com
David Robin davidrobinfilms.com
Richard Wakefield October 23rd, 2007, 06:08 AM From what I've personally seen, i'd say:
1. Patrick Moreau
2. Jason Magbanua
3. Glen Elliott
but that's not to say there isn't other stuff i've really admired, it's just that these guys consistently deliver beautiful work, have natural creative abilities and really know their studio equipment inside out.
Alastair Brown October 23rd, 2007, 07:17 AM I haven't got a clue about Internationally. Purely on this forum, I'd got for the exact same as Richards list and include him also. Added to that would be Ethan Cooper who posted a real eye-candy clip here recently.
All of these guys have very kindly shared clips that in different ways and directions have set the bar much higher.
Franklin Bencosme October 23rd, 2007, 11:26 AM Bue Skies Cinema amazing people.......
Rick Steele October 23rd, 2007, 11:52 AM I dont' know how to quantify an "industry leader" but as far as innovation goes:
(In no particular order)
Jason Magbanua
Glen Elliott
Chris Watson
Andrew Hsu
These 4 have styles that are as different as night and day. I could pick out their work in a heartbeat and watch their stuff all day long.
Bruce Patterson October 23rd, 2007, 12:06 PM I agree with Patrick that it can be subjective as to who is the "best", but for the most part it should be about a gut feeling that you get when you watch the work. If someone is an amazing videographer but is just getting started, then logic says that business (and monetary) success will follow. I think the only good barometer is the uniqueness, creativity and overall quality of their work.
Patrick Moreau October 23rd, 2007, 12:38 PM I agree with Patrick that it can be subjective as to who is the "best", but for the most part it should be about a gut feeling that you get when you watch the work.
Very true. At the same time, that gut feeling is going to be affected by your personal style and your own biases. I love long tracking shots and lots of movement in my work as well as an almost surreal color palette- it surely isn't for everybody- but I would have more of a reaction to others that use a similiar stye.
To me, the top videographers should be based on those who are constantly innovating and pushing the industry forward.
I think it would be hard to put alist together that doesn't have Bruce on it somewhere. Jason is always a favorite. Glen, although I haven't seen much recent stuff, would be on there, and I really love Chris Watson's consistently innovative editing styles. I think Mark and Trisha would round out my list more so for what they do for the industry as a whole.
Rick Steele October 23rd, 2007, 02:24 PM I think Mark and Trisha would round out my list more so for what they do for the industry as a whole.If one of the criteria would be measuring financial success in a small market they'd certainly get my vote.
That's a flip side that's often missed. Remove the fiscal responsibilites from this business and anyone can create a masterpiece given enough time to do it. (I'd need more than most of course)
Bruce Patterson October 23rd, 2007, 03:05 PM Remove the fiscal responsibilites from this business and anyone can create a masterpiece given enough time to do it.
I couldn't disagree more and although your comment was likely meant to be light-hearted I think it really speaks to the problem with event videography - that "anyone" can create a masterpiece. Just like any specialty I would have to whole-heartedly disagree that given the same pile of tapes and 3 years of uninterrupted time that everyone would come up with a masterpiece. Sorry to be so harsh/blunt, but it just irks me to hear that.
John Moon October 23rd, 2007, 03:36 PM I agree...I don't think anyone can create what we see on this forum. Certainly just about anyone can edit given a certain skill set. You really stand out when you are able to compose the shot and push the limits of creativity. Many of the names already mentioned have not only the technical ability but the God given talent to know what to look for and how to use it and where to use it. This is the part that you are not always able to teach.
John
Rick Steele October 23rd, 2007, 03:37 PM I think it really speaks to the problem with event videography - that "anyone" can create a masterpiece.
Why is this a problem? These people don't last long anyway.
At the risk of "irking" you further I believe the inverse. That a lot of people in this business think you MUST create a WEVA award winner in order to be successful. And there's quite a few award recipients out there that do this part time because they still need day jobs. It all depends on what your definition of "success" might be. Purely subjective.
And I still maintain that if you put a monkey in front of an NLE he's bound to hit it given enough time and the right footage. (And no bills to pay).
Chris M. Watson October 23rd, 2007, 03:41 PM Thanks Rick and Patrick for putting me on your short lists. That means alot. Off the top of my head, my top 5 (in no particular order) would be....
Bruce Patterson: His work is just dripping with elegance and style. Very sophisticated work.
Loi Bahn: He's been pretty quiet for a few years but his work has made a huge influence on the current path I'm on and love him or hate him, his style is singular.
Jason Magbanua: The man just continues to improve year in and year out. Just when I thought I've seen the best he can do, he ups his game again and again.
Glen Elliot: His work was rocking in the SD world. Can't imagine what his future HD productions are going to look like.
Elysium Productions: If there was a glaring omission from last year's top 25 list, this would be the studio. Nobody, as far as I know, has balanced volume and art as well as Alex and Julie Hill. They are one of the best studios in the world.
Other names I would throw out there:
Maurice O' Carroll, Dan Boswell, Josh Smith, Kristen* from Bliss Productions, Don Pham, Mark and Trisha Von Lanken, the list goes on and on......
Chris W
Watson Videography
www.dallasweddingfilms.com
Warren Kawamoto October 23rd, 2007, 04:21 PM My wife just brought up an interesting point. Most of the posters on this forum are male. We think steadicam, crane and dolly shots are way cool. A majority of these are wide shots. Wide shots generally don't convey emotion.
Her perspective is that these kind of shots, while nice as an establishing shot, focus the attention on "how the shot was done" rather than what the bride and groom are feeling. To her, the best shots are those that you "feel" emotionally. Lots of good closeups. Hands. Eyes. Facial expressions. Does the shot connect the viewer with what the bride and groom feel for each other? Can you feel love by watching their video? A good wedding video goes beyond the eye candy and goes very deep. It connects our definition of love with the couple's no matter where they are in the world.
There are videographers who get incredibly beautiful shots, but can't really edit a sequence to convey love. Then there are those who aren't the greatest shooters, but are lavishly praised because their edited sequence pulled the right heartstrings. Where do you stand as a wedding videographer?
If your work can touch a bride emotionally to the point that it's almost spiritual, consider yourself one of the best in the world.
Rick Steele October 23rd, 2007, 04:51 PM My wife just brought up an interesting point.Your wife is a wise woman.
But sometimes the talent doesn't cooperate with our hopes and we're left trying to make silk drawers out of burlap. In this business they call this the "documentary" edit. :)
Bruce Patterson October 23rd, 2007, 05:06 PM Why is this a problem? These people don't last long anyway.
At the risk of "irking" you further I believe the inverse. That a lot of people in this business think you MUST create a WEVA award winner in order to be successful. And there's quite a few award recipients out there that do this part time because they still need day jobs. It all depends on what your definition of "success" might be. Purely subjective.
And I still maintain that if you put a monkey in front of an NLE he's bound to hit it given enough time and the right footage. (And no bills to pay).
It's a problem b/c it's simply not true and it perpetuates the myth that uncle charlie is as good as a professional videographer - which he isn't. This notion is one that has plagued wedding videography for quite some time now. By saying anyone can make a masterpiece you are completely de-valuing the talent and experience that many of us are trying to show in our work in order to show that we are different than uncle charlie.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one, clearly. My problem is that you equate time with necessarily coming up with a masterpiece, something which I don't think would help a large portion of people with a pile of tapes.
Bruce Patterson October 23rd, 2007, 05:13 PM My wife just brought up an interesting point. Most of the posters on this forum are male. We think steadicam, crane and dolly shots are way cool. A majority of these are wide shots. Wide shots generally don't convey emotion.
Her perspective is that these kind of shots, while nice as an establishing shot, focus the attention on "how the shot was done" rather than what the bride and groom are feeling. To her, the best shots are those that you "feel" emotionally. Lots of good closeups. Hands. Eyes. Facial expressions. Does the shot connect the viewer with what the bride and groom feel for each other? Can you feel love by watching their video? A good wedding video goes beyond the eye candy and goes very deep. It connects our definition of love with the couple's no matter where they are in the world.
There are videographers who get incredibly beautiful shots, but can't really edit a sequence to convey love. Then there are those who aren't the greatest shooters, but are lavishly praised because their edited sequence pulled the right heartstrings. Where do you stand as a wedding videographer?
If your work can touch a bride emotionally to the point that it's almost spiritual, consider yourself one of the best in the world.
Any good company that doesn't shoot with more than 1 camera, with a specific goal to get tight shots is insane. We shoot with 2 cameras - 1 for steadycam shots, the other on a monopod. The GC is generally "full-back" and the main focus of the 2nd cam is to get all the tight shots.
Here's a mix of the 2 cuts - they are absolutely integral in the emotional end product - you can't have 1 without the other and have a complete film.
Sample of mix of GC and tight shots:
http://www.wedluxe.com/kristinagreg.html
Roger Beck October 23rd, 2007, 05:20 PM "Remove the fiscal responsibilites from this business and anyone can create a masterpiece given enough time to do it. (I'd need more than most of course)"
I read this a little differently, "Remove the time constraints and a masterpiece can be created out of almost anything".
It's the creativity that takes time and time is money.
Bruce Patterson October 23rd, 2007, 05:35 PM "Remove the fiscal responsibilites from this business and anyone can create a masterpiece given enough time to do it. (I'd need more than most of course)"
I read this a little differently, "Remove the time constraints and a masterpiece can be created out of almost anything".
It's the creativity that takes time and time is money.
His argument isn't resting on time, it's resting on the fact that he clearly thinks all footage is the same, which unfortunately it isn't...
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